DOOM AP upgrades (and a bit more)

[Axxtentacle]

First off, applying these accepted calcs to everything appropriate.

Last but not least, demons get a resistance to disease manip via this.

 

[Armorchompy]

neutral on cheat codes, agree with the rest

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Still adverse to cheat codes.

 

[KieranH10]

My bad on the Calculations, the Demons are already upgraded 8-C, however the calcs have since been re-evaluated I guess so yeah...

I'll stay neutral on Cheat Codes until we get some thoughts

Disease Stuff is fine.

 

[Axxtentacle]

What was the previous reasoning for denying cheat codes?

 

[Axxtentacle]

I genuinely need to know what the reasoning against using Cheat Codes as optional equipment for the Doom Slayer is. I need to know if the argument still holds up.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I personally think using the Cheat Codes is super iffy, but the calculations look great yes.

 

[Axxtentacle]

I understand that, since they are just called "cheat codes". My idea for it is that, since they're physical items you find around the maps we could have like, a separate key for only cheat codes or something along those lines.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Ok, i've somewhat adjusted my proposal.

Add a key for Cheat Codes, as they would be optional equipment with their own key, similar to how bonecharms and such have their own key for Corvo Attano from Dishonored.

In the optional equipment section, it would just say "Cheat Codes" and link to maybe a google doc I'll make with all the screenshots of the Cheat Codes.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Not a key, a tabber. Sorry.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Cheat codes make a physical appearance in game and are required to open the compute within the Doom fortress.

I agree with cheat codes,but they should be optional equipment. They don’t bring much to the table anyway.

 

[Axxtentacle]

They actually bring a decent bit, I made a google doc listing what the abilities seem to be.

But they only bring a lot because they bring all praetor suit abilities and all runes to the table.

They were already being proposed as optional equipment, potentially with their own tabber.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

ehhh.

Most of it is useless. The silver bullet is probably bringing the guns to 8-A as it doesn’t work on any other bosses. The rest are redundant or covered by power ups.

 

[Axxtentacle]

I understand. They're just all permanent, which is why I was using them.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Not sure if this was an editing mistake or if Doomguy just doesn’t Scale, but shouldn’t doomguy’s sentinel key be 8-C. We already have him being comparable to the marauder.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Yes.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Every 9-A doom guy/doom slayer currently should become 8-C, and a lot of his weapons get bumped to 8-C from this as well. That's why I mentioned scaling it to everything appropriate in the OP.

 

[Armorchompy]

I can agree with cheat codes tbh, Doom doesn't take itself that seriously.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Ok so, besides some people being iffy on the cheat codes, everything else is accepted?

 

[Armorchompy]

it seems very uncontroversial yeah

 

[Axxtentacle]

I personally think using the Cheat Codes is super iffy, but the calculations look great yes.

Since it's a little unclear, are you neutral on Cheat Codes & resistance to Disease Manip?

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Also right now only the marauder has his ability’s from battlemode. If we really do consider these as canon then the Archvile, Mancubus, Pain Elemental and Revenant should all get their respective abilities. If we don’t then the marauders abilities need a to go.

 

[Axxtentacle]

What abilities do you think he has from battlemode?

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Statistic Amplification, Statistic Reduction, Summoning, Healing, explosion Manipulation and I think acrobatics all come from Battle mode.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Summoning isn't, explosion manip isn't, but I honestly don't know the rest.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

I forgot about the Doggo but were does he show off Explosion Manipulation outside of battlemode.

 

[Axxtentacle]

I don't know, I thought we used abilities from Battlemode? I'd rather let the other DOOM supporters talk about it because I don't know.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Ok, pretty sure we use them because they're an alternate timeline and they're considered canon? I remember this being discussed but I genuinely can't find where.

 

[Firestorm808]

What's the argument against using battlemode for demon abilities again?

 

[Axxtentacle]

He was just questioning it's canonicity.

 

[Firestorm808]

What Battlemode abilities seemed out of place?

 

[Axxtentacle]

Also right now only the marauder has his ability’s from battlemode. If we really do consider these as canon then the Archvile, Mancubus, Pain Elemental and Revenant should all get their respective abilities. If we don’t then the marauders abilities need a to go.

This is what he brought up.

It seems like he was actually suggesting to add abilities to said demons because of Battlemode? If we didn't before we probably should now.

 

[Axxtentacle]

bump

 

[KieranH10]

I'm pretty sure Battlemode is canon. I thought this quote was in referring to Battlemode?

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

With summoning,it’s more like every Battlemode demon is capable of summoning a few of the other demons (Hell Knights,Cacodemons,Archnatrons,Barons of Hell,etc)

 

[Axxtentacle]

Shouldn't the other demons that are in Battlemode get abilities they show, then?

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

That’s what I was saying.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Shouldn't the other demons that are in Battlemode get abilities they show, then?

Yeaaah...

2 lazy tho.

 

[Hellbeast]

So Ancient Gods 2 was wild

 

[Sir_sun_man]

So Ancient Gods 2 was wild

gonna be making doom crt tommorow for it?