Don't Starve NPI revisions

[Peppersalt43]

This has been a long time coming. After looking through the Don't Starve wiki, I cannot find any justification for AE on the Shadow Creatures. Their nature of being invisible and intangible from non-insane survivors still holds up though. So here are the changes proposed from the CRT

1. Remove AE from Shadow Creatures and replace it with +1 intangibility and invisibility
2. Remove Charlie's incorporeality as I can't find justification for that either. Even sane survivors can interact with nightmare fuel so that's not a good justification either
3. Charlie should have +2 intangibility as even when a survivor is insane, her physical representations (That shadow arm that comes out of the survivor's mouth) cannot be hit.

This means that all survivors have +1 NPI and ESP when insane. Maxwell in his shadow throne key should theoretically have +2 NPI due to being able interact with anything in The Constant which would include Charlie.

Yay, a verse that can hit stands

 

[Lou_change]

I guess most of this is fine but the reason they can't hit her is she is too fast also the attack seems to be coming from inside them if watch someone being attacked with nigh vision also it might just be that they have different types of intangibility.

 

[Peppersalt43]

different types of intangibility.

Problem is I can't prove it so for now, we're gonna have to use layered intangibility as a reason for it. In fact that reasoning is what lead to me giving AE to the Shadow Creatures

 

[KLOL506]

At a first glance I don't see how they're AE Type 1 if they're literally not the abstract concept itself. Being a figment of darkness alone is very different from being the literal concept of darkness itself.

I also don't see support for Incorporeality, nothing indicates their true form being at a higher plane of existence or anything of the sort.

Intangibility stuff seems fine.

 

[Propellus]

Wouldn't it actually make sense for the Shadow Creatures to have Incorp to replace AE? I guess the rest seems fine.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Incorp

Even sane survivors can interact with nightmare fuel so that's not a good justification either

No, they're made of a material that can be interacted with normally. Also I can't find justification for the statement "Is a figment of darkness and insanity"

 

[Propellus]

I see, fair enough

 

[FinePoint]

Aren't they only invisible?
I believe they can be harmed by non-insane players, just not seen and targeted.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Aren't they only invisible?
I believe they can be harmed by non-insane players, just not seen and targeted.

No actually

They do start to be visible after a certain sanity threshold but are passive and intangible until the survivor becomes even more insane

 

[FinePoint]

No actually

They do start to be visible after a certain sanity threshold but are passive and intangible until the survivor becomes even more insane

I played DST recently, and I distinctly remember one of my co-op partners damaging a shadow creature that was attacking me, despite not being able to see it.
Could someone check?

 

[FinePoint]

"In Don't Starve Together, players can assist those plagued by Shadow Creatures by attacking them. However, this causes the Shadow Creature to attack and follow that player instead."
This is from their wiki, and seems supported by my anecdote.

 

[Peppersalt43]

I played DST recently, and I distinctly remember one of my co-op partners damaging a shadow creature that was attacking me, despite not being able to see it.
Could someone check?

I know, that's right. I'm just explaining that at some point, you can see but not attack them

 

[FinePoint]

I know, that's right. I'm just explaining that at some point, you can see but not attack them

They're also not hostile at that point, which means, if anything, they lose it as soon as they attack.
Either that or your character doesn't view them as a threat or living thing at that point.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Either that or your character doesn't view them as a threat or living thing at that point.

Eh, I'm not sure. I mean, the survivors have definitely gone insane before yet they never try it

They're also not hostile at that point, which means, if anything, they lose it as soon as they attack.

Or I guess they can only attack those who can properly perceive it?

 

[FinePoint]

Or I guess they can only attack those who can properly perceive it?

There's a period where you can see them just fine but they're not hostile.

 

[Peppersalt43]

There's a period where you can see them just fine but they're not hostile.

Sorry, I mean interact

 

[Peppersalt43]

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[Peppersalt43]

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[Peppersalt43]

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[JustANormalLemon]

I would say that non insane players beingh able to hit shadow creatures while they atack other players might be a game mechanics more them anything, made so isn't too bad for player to help one another

 

[FinePoint]

I would say that non insane players beingh able to hit shadow creatures while they atack other players might be a game mechanics more them anything, made so isn't too bad for player to help one another

To me it means they probably just have to become corporeal to attack.
Like, Newton's laws, they can't touch you without letting you touch them.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

You should add scans to your CRT so that people can see the original source.

 

[Peppersalt43]

You should add scans to your CRT so that people can see the original source.

But it's about the ability to get hit

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This is still bloked thanks to that game mechanic of players beingh able to help their friends kill Shadow creatures whem not insane?

Wouldn't the fact yyou can't atack the creatures atacking the ultimate wherepig whem not insane be enough? or you not beingh able to atack the shadow hands that gives the ancient fuelweaver a forcefield if you are not insane even trough they always are placed in the same point?