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Doflamingo vs Hashirama
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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Voting Doflamingo for CinCameron reasons and waiting for the end of the infinite wank with Hashirama
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This can be added immediately since it was unanimous.
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Thank god it's over It's finally over
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@cin - The abilities you brought up simply wont have a solid chance of fooling doflamingo on the simple basis that 1) he has pre-cog and 360 degree vision, which will prevent him from falling prey to blind-spot attacks easily,
u act like Kenbunshoku has no Drawbacks but it has many Drawbacks
It cannot predict inherently random attacks; for example, Luffy managed to bypass Enel's Mantra by bouncing his fists off a nearby wall, to prevent himself and thus Enel from knowing where they would land This type of haki is also known to falter if the user loses their concentratio.Satori lost control of his Mantra when Luffy unexpectedly brought the string of exploding balls right to him, enabling Luffy to grab him from behind when the smoke cleared, Gedatsu lost to Chopper because he lost his concentration and his Mantra faltered, and Otohime was killed by a gunshot in the confusion when her petition pages were being burned, as she was caught off guard due to her happiness over everyone signing her petitions, she lost her concentration.
The ability to see into the future, which requires an extremely high level of skill, also has its limitations. Charlotte Katakuri was able to see Vinsmoke Sanji dodging another person's gunshot and tried to intervene immediately by attacking Sanji himself. However, he was unable to see the outcome of his own intervention of this event in time, resulting in Sanji surprising him when he dodged his attack as well.
In addition, the user can only interpret the future through their own senses. Katakuri foresaw his sister Pudding crying on the altar, but because he was too far away from her in his vision to hear what had happened, he had no way to know what was about to cause this.
@cin 2) Doflamingo can turn the battlefield into threads, giving him the environment to manipulate as he pleases, and create massive barriers to block off Hashirama's assault.
no he wont both madara and naruto was unable use any power when he was immobilized by Wood Dragon cuz It also has the ability to absorb chakra from its target, slowly rendering them unable to use techniques by biting into the target and draining them so how dofi going to use his power
u act like Kenbunshoku has no Drawbacks but it has many Drawbacks
It cannot predict inherently random attacks; for example, Luffy managed to bypass Enel's Mantra by bouncing his fists off a nearby wall, to prevent himself and thus Enel from knowing where they would land This type of haki is also known to falter if the user loses their concentratio.Satori lost control of his Mantra when Luffy unexpectedly brought the string of exploding balls right to him, enabling Luffy to grab him from behind when the smoke cleared, Gedatsu lost to Chopper because he lost his concentration and his Mantra faltered, and Otohime was killed by a gunshot in the confusion when her petition pages were being burned, as she was caught off guard due to her happiness over everyone signing her petitions, she lost her concentration.
The ability to see into the future, which requires an extremely high level of skill, also has its limitations. Charlotte Katakuri was able to see Vinsmoke Sanji dodging another person's gunshot and tried to intervene immediately by attacking Sanji himself. However, he was unable to see the outcome of his own intervention of this event in time, resulting in Sanji surprising him when he dodged his attack as well.
In addition, the user can only interpret the future through their own senses. Katakuri foresaw his sister Pudding crying on the altar, but because he was too far away from her in his vision to hear what had happened, he had no way to know what was about to cause this.
@cin 2) Doflamingo can turn the battlefield into threads, giving him the environment to manipulate as he pleases, and create massive barriers to block off Hashirama's assault.
no he wont both madara and naruto was unable use any power when he was immobilized by Wood Dragon cuz It also has the ability to absorb chakra from its target, slowly rendering them unable to use techniques by biting into the target and draining them so how dofi going to use his power
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1) I know that Kenbunshoku haki has weaknesses where losing your focus or cool will nullify the ability, but it can be as easily re-activated. As someone who should be totally aware of his own weakness, Doflamingo shouldn't be greatly hindered by this, as you seem to be suggesting. Also, it was never suggested that Kenbunshoku haki did more than grant visual predictions in the first place.
Of course Kenbunshoku Haki only shows the future of what happens if the user does not act. I don't exactly see how this is a major weakness outside of fighting another person with comparable or superior pre-cog. (Sanji is a Kenbunshoku specialist, while Luffy has shown proficiency with it)
Hashirama can use random attacks, but he wouldn't be aware of this weakness until it becomes apparent, which probably wouldn't happen until mid-way through the fight.
If you took the time to read my one sentence, I clearly state that Doflamingo's pre-cog and visual perception would allow him to avoid being struck by such surprise attacks as easily. I never said he's going to flat out counter everything.
2) What's Chakra got to do with Doflamingo? And you're assuming Doflamingo is going to get caught by the attack in the first place. If he's caught, and assumed to lose his DF and Haki powers, then yes, he'd be in trouble, but it's not like it's an instant victory for Hashirama. Doflamingo has enough physical ability to break free and harm the dragon.
Now I reflect back to you: What is Hashirama going to do if he is caught by Parasito, which would paralyze him and restrict his movements? He wont be capable of making hand signs to cast most of his Ninjutsu and Senjutsu.
What would Hashirama do if Doflamingo starts out with Everwhite, and grapples him and spams awakening? Would he cast a hand-sign to counter, even with his arms being held in place?
Hashirama has Town level durability. I don't see how he can possibly survive a single hit from Doflamingo, whereas Doflamingo has the durability to withstand almost everything Hashirama has. Except for Sealing. That's the one thing that Hashirama can do to defeat him. Otherwise, Doflamingo has the advantage everywhere else.
Of course Kenbunshoku Haki only shows the future of what happens if the user does not act. I don't exactly see how this is a major weakness outside of fighting another person with comparable or superior pre-cog. (Sanji is a Kenbunshoku specialist, while Luffy has shown proficiency with it)
Hashirama can use random attacks, but he wouldn't be aware of this weakness until it becomes apparent, which probably wouldn't happen until mid-way through the fight.
If you took the time to read my one sentence, I clearly state that Doflamingo's pre-cog and visual perception would allow him to avoid being struck by such surprise attacks as easily. I never said he's going to flat out counter everything.
2) What's Chakra got to do with Doflamingo? And you're assuming Doflamingo is going to get caught by the attack in the first place. If he's caught, and assumed to lose his DF and Haki powers, then yes, he'd be in trouble, but it's not like it's an instant victory for Hashirama. Doflamingo has enough physical ability to break free and harm the dragon.
Now I reflect back to you: What is Hashirama going to do if he is caught by Parasito, which would paralyze him and restrict his movements? He wont be capable of making hand signs to cast most of his Ninjutsu and Senjutsu.
What would Hashirama do if Doflamingo starts out with Everwhite, and grapples him and spams awakening? Would he cast a hand-sign to counter, even with his arms being held in place?
Hashirama has Town level durability. I don't see how he can possibly survive a single hit from Doflamingo, whereas Doflamingo has the durability to withstand almost everything Hashirama has. Except for Sealing. That's the one thing that Hashirama can do to defeat him. Otherwise, Doflamingo has the advantage everywhere else.
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I should close this thread considering it's heat.
The match has been concluded but the grace period hasn't but I don't think that many users will appear to change the outcome.
The match has been concluded but the grace period hasn't but I don't think that many users will appear to change the outcome.
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Im very surprised doflamingo got that many votes.
Hashirama has some Genjutsu like Bringer of Darkness, wood flower world will also incapacitate doflamingo.
Basic ninja abilities like substitution will come in handy here.
Sage mode will also give Hashirama the edge in CQC because of the unseen extra range he can get thanks to nature energy ( like naruto did against pain)
So ill vote Hashirama.
Hashirama has some Genjutsu like Bringer of Darkness, wood flower world will also incapacitate doflamingo.
Basic ninja abilities like substitution will come in handy here.
Sage mode will also give Hashirama the edge in CQC because of the unseen extra range he can get thanks to nature energy ( like naruto did against pain)
So ill vote Hashirama.
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@ Aizen
The match was concluded and added already since it was unanimous. I don't think your vote counts now, correct me if i am wrong.
The match was concluded and added already since it was unanimous. I don't think your vote counts now, correct me if i am wrong.
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Oh it was already added?
Well I dont particularly care so if it has then all good. Someone can close this
Well I dont particularly care so if it has then all good. Someone can close this
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