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Does the wiki treat genjutsu as not working against people thats not in the naruto verse?
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EmilioRory10
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it was brought in Madara vs Gojo (iirc) that it doesnt works
it doesnt covers the problem here
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I see, Thanks for the reply
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Why not?
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I think in the gojo vs madara thread it was said that it doesn't work cause the chakra has to travel an infinite space to affect gojo (cause of his infinity)
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was this recent? iirc it doesn't work outside of verse anymore
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Chakra pathway, it is a too odd characteristic that only exist in Narutoverse, they have a pathway of chakra that flows in their body and connect in the nervous system of the brain, genjutsu works by affecting the chakra flow in the nervous system, that flows in the pathway, the problem is............................................no other verse has descriptions similar to that, only Naruto and maybe few others
No, it wasnt due it
No, Sharingan genjutsu works by sending chakra in the brain chakra's flow, it is explained in the Itachi novel
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Shisui explained that the mangekyo side steps that fact and only needs to put chakra in their eyes
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Don't think there's one, tho I think Genjutsu is usually rendered null by two criterias in others verses.
-The energy has to be connected to perceptions censors, which isn't the case for most verses
-The way to break free of it is to change the flow of your energy, which isn't that easy in the verse and usually outside help to disrupt it. Most verses just have characters controlling their flow of energy.
-The energy has to be connected to perceptions censors, which isn't the case for most verses
-The way to break free of it is to change the flow of your energy, which isn't that easy in the verse and usually outside help to disrupt it. Most verses just have characters controlling their flow of energy.
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it still says that they need to send Chakra, how are they going to do it without the pathway?Shisui explained that the mangekyo side steps that fact and only needs to put chakra in their eyes
this is the pathway btw
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Uhh idk understand the first point and for the second one. The energy that the genjutsu users are sending are their chakra / energy. it'd be weird to say they can just control that and even if they could they'd have to be able to overpower the control of the genjutsu user. And also chakra control in verse is actually something most ninjas can do.
I am aware of the pathway but idk if pathways are needed for chakra to exist. it just carry chakra throughout the body. I mean naruto's nine tail cloak is just chakra overflowing out of his body. And also kyubi's can be put under genjutsu and I'm not sure they have a pathway, They're just beings made of pure chakra. but maybe they do have a pathway idkit still says that they need to send Chakra, how are they going to do it without the pathway?
this is the pathway btw
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chakra pathway is not needed to chakra exist, but the act of controlling the chakra to make things like genjutsus needs a pathway, as explained by jiraiya
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hm ic, thanks for the responses
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This ^ from what I remember of a thread from a little bit ago, Genjutsu got dookied on when people proposed that it only works thanks to the chakra system connecting to the perceptive nerves aka eyes. So like if your energy system isn't connected to your eyes like in Naruto it sucks for Genjutsu. Don't remember if that conclusion was stuck with or not.
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It sidestepped the timeframe it takes to put chakra in.Shisui explained that the mangekyo side steps that fact and only needs to put chakra in their eyes
For regular genjutsu, it takes a while. For KT, you just look and instantly they're under it
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It is assumed it works on characters who possess no resistance to illusion creation.
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Nah, it requires too odd and specific mechanics that even verse equalization cant cover
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absolutely not, those arguments were rebutted in that thread without a follow-up counter.
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what are the rebutals
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Genjutsu can work on things without a physical form as well as people that are dead and made of artificial material, while simultaneously affecting creatures that lack the cerebral nervous structure that is often argued is needed for people to cast Genjutsu.
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Can't we put abilities that can and cannot be equalized on the verse page ? that would solve so much debate
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iirc this thread madara vs gojo spawned into this Q&A thread.
someone bought up this comicvine in the best thread ever(BAN-KAI bleach general disscussion) which was then supposedly debunked by this comicvine.
alot of discussion about naruto physiology but thinking about it i don't recall anyone addressing the bijuu who are pure chakra beasts still getting mind haxed.
someone bought up this comicvine in the best thread ever(BAN-KAI bleach general disscussion) which was then supposedly debunked by this comicvine.
alot of discussion about naruto physiology but thinking about it i don't recall anyone addressing the bijuu who are pure chakra beasts still getting mind haxed.
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I mean the comic vine thread proves that you need chakra for genjutsu to work but chakra is getting equalized with other energies anywhay is just the pathway system people are skeptical
The bijuu are weirder because while they are made of chakra they chakra forms flesh and organs ,
so maybe their chakras are constantly flowing through their hole body so that replaces the need of a chakra pathway?
, or maybe just the mere presence of chakra is enough?
Or maybe since they form physical bodies out of chakra they also have a chakra pathway for the parts of their chakra that is not being used to compose their bodies?
Or maybe kishi smoked some senzu bean again?
Anywhay i am not sure ether ot not genjutsu can be equalized but one thing is for sure: it does need chakra
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Not it doesn't necessarily need chakra tired of the argument already it's pointless
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Why?
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Someone give me a tldr on why it should work
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I already gave a TLDR earlier and on the thread that was quoted above, but ill make a thread for it because it's being brought up so much.
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This doesn't mean much, they're dead not intimate and they still have minds (the conscious.)
Also depends entirely on the Genjutsu.
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