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Doctor Doom vs Fiamma of the Right
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Well, it's best a CRT is made before we set anything in stone here.
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Yes, and the quote that makes Fiamma apparently 5-B.
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I'll get one part out the way.
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The statements are "Can create a flash of light to turn the planet to dust" and "blow away a planet".
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No but in context.
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The point here is HR ends the fight rather instanty while Doom has more in his arsenal he never gets to use it. Doom has never faced an ''attack ''that places itself in his postion and ignores all conventional defense creteria his barraier and armour wont matter here. Doom is basewith no prep and HR ends it with just enough power to erase him.
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Doom is a character with 50+ years of feats, don't dismiss him as never having faced something like Fiamma.
Specially since the opposite is true, he's faced beings who eat the whole ToAru verse for breakfast and won.
Specially since the opposite is true, he's faced beings who eat the whole ToAru verse for breakfast and won.
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Fiamma's page says nothing about bypassing all conventional defenses and even so Doom is a higher-end of planet level, his durability is much higher, and he has non-conventional mystic defenses anyways.
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Forgive me but doesnt beyonder at one point do the exact same thing? The 4B one
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Regardless, it's very hard to believe that Fiamma oneshots someone with a base durability at least nearly three times higher than his AP and forcefields unquantifiably better than that.
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Nothing about it negating all conventional defenses.
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Fiammas arm grows in power by comparison to the opponent. Im not sure how far this goes but Im just repeating what Ive been toldPromestein said:
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I know about that but we don't really have much reference point for how good it is, it's only based on statements. Regardless, Fiamma growing strong enough to oneshot Doom is less likely than Doom sending him a million years into the past or getting bored and absorbing all of his powers, and then oneshotting him with the Holy Right. Doom is pretty quick to use power absorption against new threats that he doesn't have a lot of knowledge on.
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Doom's profile proves he has 10 ways of winning for every chance Fiamma has
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either way
Im pretty damn sure something with a fair fight against BB is going to stomp Fiamma
Im pretty damn sure something with a fair fight against BB is going to stomp Fiamma
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@Prom
HR is a combination of the strike that ends everything it touches and reaches anything when swung. Heres some LN context on how it functions
"Fiamma was not like a Saint that pushed through with power and speed.
Using a battle in an RPG as an example...
What if there was a ridiculous command of "defeat" among the usual commands of "fight", "defend", "magic", and "item".
Most likely, Fiamma would respond in the same way to Kanzaki or Acqua and he would defeat them just the same. It didn't matter if his speed or strength were inferior. His exceedingly overwhelming "power" ignored any actions taken by his opponent and simply crushed them. It was like pushing a giant wall along to flatten a sand hill made by a child."
"(This isn't normal.)
It was beyond playing rock-paper-scissors against someone who got to choose after you had shown your hand. Simply put, Fiamma was almighty. Whether you used rock, paper, or scissors, Fiamma would just use "win". It did not matter what shape his fingers made. At the point that he made the challenge, he had already won.
That was why Fiamma did not need the things that were usually necessary.
Speed.
Toughness.
Intelligence.
Physical strength.
Space between him and his opponent.
Numbers.
A weapon.
Fiamma could bring an end to the fight by merely holding out his hand, so he did not need any of the usual cards that would lead to a tiny victory when used together. He needed to do only one thing to win. He would swing his right hand and it was all over. That was all there was to it. It seemed he had been limited in the number of times he could use it before, but he had overcome that by compensating with the knowledge he received from Index. Now, Fiamma could win as many times as he wanted."
Fiamma growing strong enough to win? He just waves his hand and HR hits which is why I was talking about the breifity in my earlier posts. Former isnt even LPSAD ill give LN quotes for his powere there if needed
HR is a combination of the strike that ends everything it touches and reaches anything when swung. Heres some LN context on how it functions
"Fiamma was not like a Saint that pushed through with power and speed.
Using a battle in an RPG as an example...
What if there was a ridiculous command of "defeat" among the usual commands of "fight", "defend", "magic", and "item".
Most likely, Fiamma would respond in the same way to Kanzaki or Acqua and he would defeat them just the same. It didn't matter if his speed or strength were inferior. His exceedingly overwhelming "power" ignored any actions taken by his opponent and simply crushed them. It was like pushing a giant wall along to flatten a sand hill made by a child."
"(This isn't normal.)
It was beyond playing rock-paper-scissors against someone who got to choose after you had shown your hand. Simply put, Fiamma was almighty. Whether you used rock, paper, or scissors, Fiamma would just use "win". It did not matter what shape his fingers made. At the point that he made the challenge, he had already won.
That was why Fiamma did not need the things that were usually necessary.
Speed.
Toughness.
Intelligence.
Physical strength.
Space between him and his opponent.
Numbers.
A weapon.
Fiamma could bring an end to the fight by merely holding out his hand, so he did not need any of the usual cards that would lead to a tiny victory when used together. He needed to do only one thing to win. He would swing his right hand and it was all over. That was all there was to it. It seemed he had been limited in the number of times he could use it before, but he had overcome that by compensating with the knowledge he received from Index. Now, Fiamma could win as many times as he wanted."
Fiamma growing strong enough to win? He just waves his hand and HR hits which is why I was talking about the breifity in my earlier posts. Former isnt even LPSAD ill give LN quotes for his powere there if needed
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Okay, yeah, that's super NLF.
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This is the problem of ToAru. Many unproven statements and little feats.
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These statements specifically are kamichi adding context not some character speaking them. It isn't NLF as the power of HR is dependant on what its symbolically backed by. This is the reason why LPSAD HR >>>>> Base HR. Base was stated to be able to end humanity or the planet if it could be used at full power. While LPSAD is statated to be able to casually erase stars among other.
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Still NLF.
Then why is it 5-B.
Then why is it 5-B.
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I'm not sure I didnt rate them ill probably have to ask lazyhunter. But heres some of the quotes
"A legendary power aligned to the Center. An existence equal to that of 'La persona superiore a Dio'. If necessary, it can give off an explosion to make a star vanish into nothingness, and undoubtedly erase the anchor in front of him that has lost its purpose in life."
"Even if this power is one that can erase a burning star into nothingness and the ultimate power that has risen once again from the myths of Christianity."
"A legendary power aligned to the Center. An existence equal to that of 'La persona superiore a Dio'. If necessary, it can give off an explosion to make a star vanish into nothingness, and undoubtedly erase the anchor in front of him that has lost its purpose in life."
"Even if this power is one that can erase a burning star into nothingness and the ultimate power that has risen once again from the myths of Christianity."
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"It isn't NLF as the power of HR is dependant on what its symbolically backed by."
That... has no relation to it being an NLF though?
That... has no relation to it being an NLF though?
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Also, can we actually debate with what's on Fiamma's page rather than stuff that isn't?
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Zensum, WoG and Authorial Intent don't matter. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, to say that Fiamma is all but invincible s a meaningless nonsense claim that holds no true value.
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Pretty sure that star in that context could also be translated as planet, which is where the planet busting statements come from.
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Doom turns Fiamma into a human sized puppet for the reasons stated above.
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Powers get absorbed after he telports GG
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HR won't do anything to Doom, 5-B or not he is weaker than Doom and HR's NLF won't work on someone with far higher defenses.
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Again, you have given no proof that it nullifies defenses, just more NLF.
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Doom FRA
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I still dont see how this isnt a stomp just because one guy is arguing it
But I guess I vote Doom as well
But I guess I vote Doom as well
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I wouldn't say it's a stomp, it's just decisive.
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His regualr power absoprption takes too long or others requries certain conditions like power cosmic that has to be attached to fiamma which will never happen. Every other instance of aborption required prep or not with his own tech. But doesnt matter if fight ends pretty much instantly
Doom durabaility is all from that suit/forcefields which HR ignores as it postions itself where he is, besides that his regular human stats. He gets 1 hit
Doom durabaility is all from that suit/forcefields which HR ignores as it postions itself where he is, besides that his regular human stats. He gets 1 hit
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It doesn't take too long, it's near-instant, he's built his power cosmic siphon into his own armor, and it works on non-Power Cosmic users anyways, like Franklin. He's not a regular human, he can kill lions in a single hit barehanded, and his forcefield keeps teleporters from teleporting close to him.
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