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Speed update
Originally one of the best speed feats present in the series was that of Dante engaging in battle with Void Mundus and dodging him despite being an omnipresent void within the castle, said void being called an endless darkness. This feat was downgraded on the basis of Mundus and Dante fighting in the darkness and Mundus hiding in the dark/void and Mundus not being omnipresent.
So let's start.
The Void.
In the english release of the novel, Mundus is stated to be the void which Dante is fighting. Mundus isn't hiding within the void/darkness, he is that void/darkness itself.
The original language of the novel also says the same thing, the darkness is alive and Dante talks to it when referring to Mundus, someone even questions if this is the true form of mundus (page 194), Beryl is in the palace of endlessly spreading darkness aka the living darkness from earlier (page 197), when Beryl looks at the demon king she can only see coagulate darkness and questions herself if that's even the demon king (page 197), Dante slashes at the darkness (mundus himself) penetrating his body (page 198) The dark form, which seemed utterly impervious to harm, trembled and groaned in pain (page 199).
So yes, Mundus IS the Void / Darkness that endlessly spreads through the palace.
The argument that Mundus is hiding in the darkness and that Dante and Mundus are fighting inside that darkness has zero basis beyond some wonky understanding of the fight. With all that in mind then this thread should be reinstated and the speed should go back to Infinite.
This would scale to practically all the God Tiers of the verse, some downscale (because narratively it doesn't make sense that Void Mundus is infinitely faster than his original timeline counterpart) and obviously the others would upscale from this by being comparable or faster than the version of Dante who fought and blitzed the demon king.
Miscellaneous additions:
Demon Physiology
1) Sargassos have NEP Natures Type 1 & 3 Aspects 1, 3 & 4
OP committed a mistake and it was supposed to be aspect 2 instead of 4 (since they are nonexistent spirits their concept would be as well).
So what changes? Demons who scale to them will have aspect 2 instead of 4 (argosax)
Also demons should get NPI to the sargasso's NEP since they are a low level class and thus part of the natural ecosystem of lesser devils who kill each other for power, food or others.
* Non-Physical Interaction (Demons should be able to interact with Sargasso's who are low level demons and have Nonexistent physiology Type 1 & 3; Aspects 1, 2 & 3 [they are non-existent and transcendent in nature in comparison to physical plane])
2) Power Mimicry
I don't know how to word this but Dante states some demons are able to copy the powers, movements, and abilities of those they see.
This should be self evident. Demons are able to kill each other, they do so all the time for power, control, bloodlust, whatever reason. Some even do it to eat other demons. Also I ignored immortalities like 1 and 7 since they are just "cant age, and undead", not exactly something you can negate with normal means (I think 2 should also go as well but idk)
Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly; Demons can kill each other be it for food, power or other reasons. Nothing in the Human World can kill them.)
Immortality Negation (Types 2, 3, 4, & 6; Demons can kill each other be it for food, power or other reasons. Nothing in the Human World can kill them.)
4) Self sustenance
type 2 is already in the profiles but should get type 1 too given the air in the demon world is toxic and they don't have oxygen and stuff, moreover we have seen demons can be indefinitely under water
Self-Sustenance (Types 1 & 2; Demons can survive indefinitely without food or water and underwater.)
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Berial
Should get instinctive action:
Dante is the only one who was shown to be able to interact with The Void aka The Demon King or just Void Mundus so his DMC 2 Key would get this
Agree: 4 (@Random-Helper323, @Planck69, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Elizhaa)
Disagree:
Neutral:
Originally one of the best speed feats present in the series was that of Dante engaging in battle with Void Mundus and dodging him despite being an omnipresent void within the castle, said void being called an endless darkness. This feat was downgraded on the basis of Mundus and Dante fighting in the darkness and Mundus hiding in the dark/void and Mundus not being omnipresent.
So let's start.
The Void.
In the english release of the novel, Mundus is stated to be the void which Dante is fighting. Mundus isn't hiding within the void/darkness, he is that void/darkness itself.
The original language of the novel also says the same thing, the darkness is alive and Dante talks to it when referring to Mundus, someone even questions if this is the true form of mundus (page 194), Beryl is in the palace of endlessly spreading darkness aka the living darkness from earlier (page 197), when Beryl looks at the demon king she can only see coagulate darkness and questions herself if that's even the demon king (page 197), Dante slashes at the darkness (mundus himself) penetrating his body (page 198) The dark form, which seemed utterly impervious to harm, trembled and groaned in pain (page 199).
So yes, Mundus IS the Void / Darkness that endlessly spreads through the palace.
The argument that Mundus is hiding in the darkness and that Dante and Mundus are fighting inside that darkness has zero basis beyond some wonky understanding of the fight. With all that in mind then this thread should be reinstated and the speed should go back to Infinite.
This would scale to practically all the God Tiers of the verse, some downscale (because narratively it doesn't make sense that Void Mundus is infinitely faster than his original timeline counterpart) and obviously the others would upscale from this by being comparable or faster than the version of Dante who fought and blitzed the demon king.
Miscellaneous additions:
Demon Physiology
1) Sargassos have NEP Natures Type 1 & 3 Aspects 1, 3 & 4
OP committed a mistake and it was supposed to be aspect 2 instead of 4 (since they are nonexistent spirits their concept would be as well).
So what changes? Demons who scale to them will have aspect 2 instead of 4 (argosax)
Also demons should get NPI to the sargasso's NEP since they are a low level class and thus part of the natural ecosystem of lesser devils who kill each other for power, food or others.
* Non-Physical Interaction (Demons should be able to interact with Sargasso's who are low level demons and have Nonexistent physiology Type 1 & 3; Aspects 1, 2 & 3 [they are non-existent and transcendent in nature in comparison to physical plane])
2) Power Mimicry
I don't know how to word this but Dante states some demons are able to copy the powers, movements, and abilities of those they see.
- Power Mimicry (Dante mentions that some demons are able to copy the powers, movements, and abilities of those they see.)
This should be self evident. Demons are able to kill each other, they do so all the time for power, control, bloodlust, whatever reason. Some even do it to eat other demons. Also I ignored immortalities like 1 and 7 since they are just "cant age, and undead", not exactly something you can negate with normal means (I think 2 should also go as well but idk)
Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly; Demons can kill each other be it for food, power or other reasons. Nothing in the Human World can kill them.)
Immortality Negation (Types 2, 3, 4, & 6; Demons can kill each other be it for food, power or other reasons. Nothing in the Human World can kill them.)
4) Self sustenance
type 2 is already in the profiles but should get type 1 too given the air in the demon world is toxic and they don't have oxygen and stuff, moreover we have seen demons can be indefinitely under water
Self-Sustenance (Types 1 & 2; Demons can survive indefinitely without food or water and underwater.)
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Berial
Should get instinctive action:
- Instinctive Action (Berial's flames can act on their own to protect him from his opponents, and can act as a shield to protect him from attacks from his opponents even including Nero's bullets. Berial's flames are hot enough to melt ice with temperatures below absolute zero, as confirmed by Nero that Frost doesn't stand a chance against Berial.)
Dante is the only one who was shown to be able to interact with The Void aka The Demon King or just Void Mundus so his DMC 2 Key would get this
- Enhanced Non-Physical Interaction (Was capable of interacting with and eventually killing an alternate timeline Mundus whom has Nonexistent Physiology (Nature【Type 1】; Aspects 1, 2, 3 & 5【Other:〈Space-Time〉】and Beyond Dimensional Existence (Type 1) (The Demon King has fused with the Heart and the Nexus of the Demon World and in turn became an empty void, a state superior of that of the Sargasso's own nonexistent nature and that should precede reality as the source of the Demon World. The Void is stated to exist outside of the flow of time and lack directions)
- Void Manipulation & Existence Erasure (Capable of standing inside, fighting and killing The Demon King who was an empty void, said void doesn't allow others to exist and those comparable to the King can barely stay.)
Agree: 4 (@Random-Helper323, @Planck69, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Elizhaa)
Disagree:
Neutral:
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