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THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE NINJA THEORY GAME. THAT BEING SAID, SHALL WE PROCEED
So guys, I gathered some pretty interesting info from DmC: Devil May Cry comics. I'll be sharing somes scans and info I got from the DmC: Devil May Cry Chronicles of Vergil HQ. Also I'm doing thread this because I wanted to bring up a discussion about this topics so we can make a better decision regarding DmC Reboot tiering. This happened mainly because I felt some lack of discussion over this topics that involves DmC Universe/Cosmology, so in order to grant that El Donte current tiering is the mot accurate one, I'm coming with some arguments that can, possibly, give them huge buffs. Please, don't let your preconceptions about the game guide you here. Now let's move on for the topics I want to discuss...
Limbo:
Usually there is a lot of controversy around this topic, there are people that don't say Limbo is actually a universe or something like that, they say it's just a parallel dimension that is part of the human world which the protagonists can enter it, through portals, to kick some demon ass. However, I have to say that Limbo, actually, is a little bit different than we thought. To be more frank, Limbo is, actually, a whole diferent universe that lies "under" the human world/universe, it's a different dimension in the sense that is another universe itself, I'm basing this statement of mine in the information that the DmC: Devil May Cry Chronicles of Vergil, a canon HQ that shows how Vergil and Kat met each other and how he saved her from Mundus' control. And as you can see here:
Vergil clearly says that Limbo is a different universe. And this is not the only ocasion were Limbo, the demon underworld, is stated to be a different universe. In other occasions, troughout the comic, they make statements regarding the that Limbo and the Human World are two different universes, two different dimensions. Another interesting feat is that Mundus, who has supreme control over Limbo(by being the new Demon King), can imprison human's astral form in Limbo as seen here:
This kind of thing already hapenned before, since throughout the game we can see the Lost Souls, human's souls that were dragged into Limbo by Mundus, and some of his most powerful demons like Barbas and Lilith can perform such things too, since they're able to affect and control Limbo's reality in lesser degrees. He imprisons people's souls because, in order to absorb human's vitality(to amplify his powers) he needs their bodies. And Mundus doesn't imprison human's bodies alongside their astral form on Limbo, for safer minings, because humans cannot survive in the Underworld with their physical bodies, once human's bodies are tethered to the Human Dimension/Universe. And only Psychics like Kat are able to access Plus their astral forms cannot last for too long when separated from their bodies, if they last more than some minutes in astral form they disappear, as implied by Vergil in page 24 from the first chapter. Only demons can access Limbo with both body and soul and they don't have a time limit when they're there, unlike psychics when they separate their souls from their bodies.
So far, this is all the info I've managed to gather about Limbo. I'll be moving on to the next topics for now.
Possible Upgrades/Feats:
As you can see, it's more clear than ever that Limbo and the Human World are not only different dimensions, but they're, indeed, different universes that can colide with each other causing rifts, places that share location with both places, that can be used as portals to travel between these two universes. In multiple occasions during the game Mundus is showned to be able to control not only some places, but in fact, maintain and control the whole Limbo, he's even able to create rifts to share locations among human and demon world without having to leave his tower. In the moment he got mad with Vergil when he killed Lilith, he casually twisted several city blocks of the city with Limbo. Mundus had his Hell Gate which, somewhat, helped him maintaining the Limbo's universe separated from the Living World. But the thing wasn't fully dependant on Hell Gate, since Mundus probably could just re-open the Gate again, after it being shut by Yamato, if he had defeated Dante(I'm presuming that he opened it some point at the past). However he probably didn't relly entirely on it since he is the Demon King, whose power was such that he ascended as the strongest demon thus giving him control all over the Underworld, thus being able to distort, create floating grounds and manipulating it at free will. Also, we clearly see that, even after being disconnected with the Hell Gate, he has been able to do the same things he already could do without relying on Hell Gate powers. Having all this in mind, I think it's safe to assume that, the Hell Gate, indeed, helped him keep the dimensions separated, but it didn't do that alone. It probably helped him more by granting him immortality and, anyways, Dante managed to endure damage from an enraged Mundus that was dragging power from Hell Gate. By last, Limbo is depicted as a dimension where certain concepts, such as gravity, doesn't work the same way it does on the human world. And, after Mundus' death, Limbo collapsed into the real world/human world.
I'm not sure about the tiering they can get from this, but I suppose it would be something around 3-A or even Low 2-C. The scaling chain would be something like this: Dante>Mundus=>Vergil>Lilith>Barbas. Only the strongest ones would scale up to 3-A/Low 2-C, Dante and Vergil scale because they're stronger that demons who could control Limbo universe just as Mundus could, but in a lesser degree, also they defeated Mundus. Plus, in order to defeat the Hellfire Prison demon, Vergil (algonside Kat) had to create a dimensional vortex, in order to make a black hole to swallow the creature.
Hax Additions/Profile changes:
For this part I'm pretty much sure it should be added on the profiles.
Vergil gets stats amp with his Devil Trigger, as shown here. He got defeated by the Onyx guards(False form of Hellfire Prison) and after awakening his Devil Trigger he blasted them with no diff. The same thing should apply for Dante, since on his profile he just gets this via demon evade.
Dante, Vergil and Mundus should get memory manipulation. Sparda is not the only one that can erase his memories, Vergil can erase his memories, alongside Kat ones, too.
Also they get non-physical interaction and soul manipulation too. When Kat's astral form was in Limbo, a demon was about to kill here if Vergil didn't save her, in the same scene he is shown to be able to touch her spiritual form. In the 2° chapter Vergil managed to hit Kat in her astral form.
Since Vergil is able to damage/touch her on her spiritual form, by being a demon. So we can safely assume that if he kills Kat in that form, her soul will just dissappear. I don't know if this is just regular soul manipulation or if it can be considerated as limited existence erasure. But to ensure the argument, everytime we kill a demon troughout the game, we completely vanish it's body and soul.
The End:
For those interested in reading it, here is the link with the official translation. These are my proposals alongside my arguments to, possibly, upgrade the verse, feel free to agree or not with it. Did this because I really wanted to talk about those that are more aknowledged with the Reboot universe about these things regarding the HQ. When commenting, please say on what you points you agree, just to make the things easier for me when checking the replies. For the moment, that's it, see you later aligator
Agree: 7 (@Ibrahem, @Lightning_XXI, @GilverTheProtoAngelo, @Oliver_de_jesus, @Vietthai96, @Tony_di_bugalu, @LordGriffin1000)
Disagree:
Neutral:
Peace
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