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Divine Creator(Marvel Comics) Profile
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No, I'm waiting for Ultima to do the revision on the tiering system. I already proposed to him my ratings and suggestions and he gave me the thumbs up to do so.
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What are the chances that it will be Current Marvel 0?
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Based on what he’s told me in the past, Divine Creator fits the qualifications of Tier 0 and based on what Goofy just posted Ultima seems to approve of that.
I also have additional suggestions which will probably become a later CRT after the profiles are made down the line based on stuff that happened in Spider Man Annual 1999
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The only thing Ultima and I disagree on is whether to give Strange a “Shamballa” key in his profile. I would like that, but he finds it unecessary.
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Why wasn’t there a Shamballa key? I’m curious.
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Probably because the story isn't that notable nor is there much known about him at that state other than hypotheticals.
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exactly how far it can be scaled
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Divine Creator/The Dreamer - 0
Oblivion - High 1-A+
Maya/Clieto/Eternity - High 1-A+
Lords of Shamballa - High 1-A
The Scrier - High 1-A
Franklin Richards and Job Burke - High 1-A/High 1-A+
Fallen Stars - High 1-A
Staff/Book/Nexus - High 1-A
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Adam Ka'dmon is kind of where things either go awry or more people end up 0. Spider-Man Annual 1999 describes Ka'dmon as being an existence akin to the Divine Creator, and that whomever is a threat to Adam Ka'dmon is also a threat The Divine Creator hirself in equal measure.
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I wouldn't actually take that statement at face value. If so then that seems like an anti-feat. If the idea is “identity” dissolves into the oneness of the Creator then there shouldn't be another part akin to it other than itself. The statement just said “perhaps” so I wouldn't count it.
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Like this affects a lot
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Bump. Fair enough. He is still noted to be, alongside Cleito, the male and female version of The Divine Creator though, so that's pretty noteworthy
Now that the Tiering Revisions are on the verge of being applied and the floodgates will be opened alarmingly soon, do you need any help getting scans for any of the feats / statements, or do you have essentially everything you need ?
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Yes, everything in the end is an aspect of God.
No, but I do like it if someone else made a sandbox.
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If you provide me your reasoning/scans and such (you can just DM me if you still want to keep it a secret) , I'll be more than happy to make the sandbox for them.
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I can do it, but I prefer a forum thread to a sandbox.
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Well, you can do the forum thread first, link it to me, then I'll use whatever information you provide on the forum thread to make the sandboxes. That way when you do your thread and it gets accepted, all we'd need to do is just C&P the profiles. Or just send me whatever information you gave to Ultima to evaluate your reasoning on the tiers of each of them, and I can make the Sandboxes that way. Regardless of which option we go with I'm still going to go ahead and reread the material, and start to make the sandboxes myself based on what I've uncovered from reading this material for almost 2-3 years, and then once I'm provided the information I'll edit it accordingly
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Sounds good. Though Ultima trusts me with his life on these types of threads. Glad to know that the “thread” would be accepted.
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I was in a rush and couldn't do a sandbox but here:
J.M. DeMatteis(Marvel Cosmology Split)
As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...
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I don't know you.
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You're not supposed to answer that!
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Just reping them, but so far the staff that has participated agrees with the post.
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Yeah, try retagging them.
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It's 4-1 and Q doesn't even have a problem if outvoted. If you want to be safe then retag them to offer their reason. If not then the consensus of the mods agrees to the CRT and everyone else in this thread.I meant a tally for which staff members here that think what so far.
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Much needed clarification: is this thread strictly intended to separate the Divine Creator from The One Above All, or DeMatteis cosmology as a whole?
Because on one hand, you're certainly implying that this thread is only intended for the former:
That sounds like a reasonable basis for de-compositing just these 2 characters, however, if this alone is the basis for splitting the entire cosmology, I consider it insufficient personally.
Because on one hand, you're certainly implying that this thread is only intended for the former:
But on the other hand, in the follow-up thread, you make the blanket statement that DeMatteis cosmology is inconsistent, but you don't actually elaborate on it as if it's an already accepted premise:
That aside, the OP can be summed up to: "The Divine Creator is depicted as "God" himself, while The One Above All is portrayed as being encompassed by "God's" shadow, therefore they're different."
That sounds like a reasonable basis for de-compositing just these 2 characters, however, if this alone is the basis for splitting the entire cosmology, I consider it insufficient personally.
The tally is:I meant a tally for which staff members here that think what so far.
Agree
Antvasima
Elizio33
Firestorm808 (Agrees with whatever the consensus is)
Disagree
Qawsedf234
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The thread's purpose is highlighted in the title. This CRT itself is just for a Divine Creator profile creation.
I didn't even mention this. The people kept asking how DeMatteis’s Cosmology even works with the larger main continuity. If you read it carefully I even asked what people's thoughts are about a Cosmology split. They seem to largely favor it.
More so, the Divine Creator is a personal God character to DeMatteis never went beyond anything in his story. However, the reason given should be enough already.
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If this thread has been accepted fully, it should probably be closed now.
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I share the same sentiments as Qawsed and don’t see a good enough reason for the split.
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The One Above All sits at the apex of the Assiyah hierarchy and is limited to that space within the Four World Cosmology. He is not infinite, ineffable, all-knowing, or the true essence of the entirety of Existence.
The Divine Creator is J.M. DeMatteis's equivalent of the “Parabrahman” an ultimate Oneness that underlines duality, that contains existence and non-existence, and that all of Existence is nothing but a thought in hir divine mind.
Even both interpretations of the “Primordial Man” are different and do not follow anything with each other other than being the first image of man where God makes the world from. Even then Ultima had said Divine Creator would get 0 but Defenders: Beyond contradicts the notion that the One Above All is at the top yet Divine Creator would get 0 at the same time. Unless Ewing ever mentions his Marvel “Godhead” he talks about at the end of the infinite journey of the Mystery then they are not the same thing. Also, Defenders is Kabbalah, and Matteis's story is more Hindu-based just to add some more incentive as to why they share fewer similarities.
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What do you think about this?
What do you think about this?
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I'll take a look later.
