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Discussion Thread for Death Battle Episodes 100 and 101 and beyond

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If you ask me DB seems to be putting a lot more effort in considering all variables nowadays. Even if they disregard things and such, they explain why, it is a long way from season 2 where they often brought up stuff in the analysis itself they proceeded to ignore in the conclusion or come up with stuff like "X tanked an explosion, that's like a lot more than anything Y has done so X wins":

I am curious about something, how was the research of Ultron vs Sigma in general? Not hating or anything nor disagreeing with the result, genuine curiosity, especially as I know very little about Ultron.

Also, how would Darkseid and Thanos fare against each other? Are they close?
 
TartaChocholate said:
If you ask me DB seems to be putting a lot more effort in considering all variables nowadays. Even if they disregard things and such, they explain why, it is a long way from season 2 where they often brought up stuff in the analysis itself they proceeded to ignore in the conclusion or come up with stuff like "X tanked an explosion, that's like a lot more than anything Y has done so X wins":

I am curious about something, how was the research of Ultron vs Sigma in general? Not hating or anything nor disagreeing with the result, genuine curiosity, especially as I know very little about Ultron.

Also, how would Darkseid and Thanos fare against each other? Are they close?
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Ultron vs Sigma is accurate in research, rocking in music and voice acting and sound, fabulous in animation and... said by others as the best 2D sprite animation in S5.

Season 2 is worse than "X wins by tanking explosions Y can deliver". It has episodes like "X has done so many things X should win (without mentioning Y has done the same and more)", making the verdict sometimes straight out wrong. (It is said stompy and spiteful matches are done to cover such weakness by SA)

"To nobody's surprise" SA did have awesome animation though, making their weakness in character research more prominent.
 
If SA use DB Roshi (with no Moon feat) against sage Jiraiya with Ma and Pa, then ero-sannin easily win.

Roshi: 7-B with hypersonic + speed VS Jiraiya: 7-A with versatile skillset with massively hypersonic speed +
 
https://cdn.roosterteeth.com/image/...jpg/original/11122018dbpreviewmasterroshi.jpg

Quite sure SA is aware that MAX Power Form (Resurrection of F Saga) Master Roshi is sufficient to oblilerate Sage Jiraiya.

But for satisfying the fans, MAYBE in the animation they might include Roshi dodging Jiraiya's deadly blows in a "pseudo-Ultra Instinct" style before finishing off Jiraiya in a Goku vs Kefla style.

Probably in the character description, Chad and Ben may arrange Boomstick and Wiz say those lines Beerus and Whis said in the manga.
 
How does the scaling that puts Roshi at 7-B go again? Something about Piccolo's attack on Papaya Island or Frypan Mountain or something? How likely is SA to use that scaling, given using it to rate Roshi is based on assuming he's comparable.

With nothing but scaling chains & much lower feats putting him below moon buster, or at 7-B, who says they wouldn't use his Moon Bust & fights against Frieza Soldiers & in the ToP to rate him?
 
Imaginym said:
How does the scaling that puts Roshi at 7-B go again? Something about Piccolo's attack on Papaya Island or Frypan Mountain or something? How likely is SA to use that scaling, given using it to rate Roshi is based on assuming he's comparable.

With nothing but scaling chains & much lower feats putting him below moon buster, or at 7-B, who says they wouldn't use his Moon Bust & fights against Frieza Soldiers & in the ToP to rate him?
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This is a direct feat from Roshi (Dragon Ball manga Chapter 14 as said) and should be safe to use by SA. This Roshi can launch attacks with energy from ~7.4056 Megatons of TNT to ~3.8114 Gigatons of TNT.

And this is Dragon Ball Master Roshi.

While Jiraiya scales to Orochimaru who scales to Itachi Uchiha, who scales to Kakashi Hatake, who scales to this feat, yielding an AP of... 43.02 kilotons TNT.

Or he can scale to this jutsu, yielding an AP of ~532 megatons TNT.

SA can wank on either side by the fluctuations in variables of Roshi Kamehameha. But since they are implying that the "recent months' upgrade of a character will not change the results", it is implied Roshi does not need UI to kill Jiraiya - his AP is stronger and his hax surprisingly can keep up.
 
Okay, Death Battle Cast just answered questions on Ultron vs Sigma, here they are:

Why not Ultron vs Braniac? Braniac is usually in the background, hardly ever in the fight itself. Sigma, like Ultron, is always willing to step in and fight.

Shouldn't the Sigma Virus be able to cut off Ultron from his robots like what happened in Age of Ultron? Movies are different from the comics and the fight ultimately came down to who's the better hacker, physical bodies meant little.

How is Ultron hacking the Phalanx better than Sigma infecting the planet? Sigma was at his limit doing that, he was extremely exhausted after that, Ultron infected many more and then conquered a galaxy, the Phalanx are notoriously hard to hack, and nearly everything Sigma infected was not designed to be unhackable.

Sigma is a virus, Ultron is an OS. Viruses harm OSs, shouldn't Sigma have an advantage? They didn't actually elaborate using character stuff, Sam just went "A human vs a gun. If the gun's on a table with no one holding it, a human can defeat a gun."

You used travel speed for who's faster, but that's not useful in a fight. Why? Combat speed was hard to measure for those two, so travel speed was used to give a general idea. Also, you have to have quick enough reactions to manuever at those speeds while traveling, so it's a useful starting point for speed. But again, physical forms didn't really matter.
 
Death Battle really came a long way. It's not half bad, and they're accepting better rules for analysis. Scaling, the combat/travel stuff, less downplaying, Implying that some DBs of the past we're wrong, etc. They've come a long way since season 1.

Also, I just found out that having a premium VRV account makes you a Roosterteeth First member. So I don't have to wait until Wednesday anymore.
 
Sorvoe551 said:
DB Podcast Q&A:
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1. Kinda agree with them on that one, even if Sigma infected humans and all that, nothing in the X series is shown to be resistant to viruses aside Zero and X, who respectively are outright immune to the virus and are simply weakened down by it, but anti-sigma defesens were never brought up, so we can't really say Sigma how well Sigma could work around good resistances, especially the only things who have defenses (our heroes) can resist him.

2. Well, they did brought up this point in the episode itself: Ultron has incredebly powerful defenses and Marvel's brilliant minds had to develop a program especifically engineered to get past them to defeat him; so if anything, Ultron has a huge resistance to viruses and has shown a higher scope of hacking prowress than Sigma, who in turn hasn't shown dealing with antiviruses in the X series (outside surviving Dr. Doppler's but that was him resisting the anti-virus rather than getting past it). So, Ultron has higher "Hacking AP and Durability", to put it somehow, than Sigma. I disagree with the Gun analogy, though, Sigma has shown to be able to act on his own as a virus like when he personally attacked X as one as the Final Boss of MMX2 and then tried to posses him in MMX3, but the difference in hacking power renders this moot, just like how being an OS doesn't automatically mean Ultron succumbs to viruses as much as it means he would be affected by them, OS do have defenses and DB brought that up.

3. I do believe they underplayed Sigma in physical capabilities, but even then I still think Ultron being superior in combat. Granted at least they acknowledged Lumine's feat and explained why they didn't count it (and how it would still wouldn't be enough), when before DB would have ignored it completely, which is something really, even if I disagree.

As much as it disappoints me, I knew from the announcement Ultron had this, I really wanted Sigma to win, but knew this would be the outcome. I did expect it to be somewhat closer, but then again, Ultron is one of the big villiains in Marvel, isn't he? The higher tiers in Marvel can get pretty crazy.

EDIT: Why do I get the feeling Master Roshi and Jiraiya will start fighting over ****?
 
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It´s probably.

Knowing that Thanos vs Darkseid has 98% chances of being Season finale, you think they will bring up the True Form Darkseid ( Or as i call it, The Trash Darkseid) in the research? If they do. Do you think it´s gonna appear in the animation?
 
@MexicanJesus:

You completely got me there. I know very little about comic book characters. TBH, I didn't even know Darkseid had a True Form, I always thought the Anti Life Equation was his triumph card, so I can't really give an answer, sorry.
 
TartaChocholate said:
@MexicanJesus:
You completely got me there. I know very little about comic book characters. TBH, I didn't even know Darkseid had a True Form, I always thought the Anti Life Equation was his triumph card, so I can't really give an answer, sorry.
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And will they bring out Regulator Thanos or HotU Thanos if True Form Darkseid is to be put out?

(afaik base Darkseid beats base Thanos, while Regulator Thanos is tiers above True Form Darkseid. Will SA just stick to Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet and all Infinity Stones vs Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation or will they actually tap into Regulator Thanos or HotU Thanos vs True Form Darkseid?
 
Death Battle Cast just mentioned something about the upcoming battle. They mentioned that the fight is around four minutes long, on the longer side for them, and they mentioned that it's "interesting," specifically with how Jiraiya likes using traps. Based on that, it tells me that they debuffed Roshi to make it more even and draw out the fight, despite the fact that they mentioned the fight in Super where he throttled Tien while under hypnosis
 
Sorvoe551 said:
Death Battle Cast just mentioned something about the upcoming battle. They mentioned that the fight is around four minutes long, on the longer side for them, and they mentioned that it's "interesting," specifically with how Jiraiya likes using traps. Based on that, it tells me that they debuffed Roshi to make it more even and draw out the fight, despite the fact that they mentioned the fight in Super where he throttled Tien while under hypnosis
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Animation section - maybe, to make the fun more interesting (given how Rave vs Twilight Sparkle is perceived)

Verdict - hardly. They will still include every of what they want to include, esp. after Doctor Strange vs Doctor Fate and Optimus Prime vs RX-78-2 Gundam.
 
Yeah, they have made the battle animations very close for the sake of entertainment and then in the analysis it's revealed the fight was very one sided or at least much less close than it appeared, So we don't know if this plays in the veredict or not as of now.

Like Jason mentioned: Optimus vs Gundam is a good example: the matchup was very lopsided towards Optimus, but the fight animation was incredibly close and intense, with Amuro putting up one hell of a fight.
 
http://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2018/11/death-battle-predictions-roshi-vs.html

After Optimus Prime VS Gundam, the G1 bloggers seem less motivated in commenting Roshi VS Jiraiya.

And yup, with Roshi being able to actually counter or even just dodge Jiraiya's hax attacks, Roshi can simply end Jiraiya in a lot of ways.

I am personally looking forward towards Jiraiya turning into Sage mode spamming tons of Rasengans just to get Roshi using pseudo-Ultra Instinct to slide towards Jiraiya and give the toad sage a point blank Max Power Kamehameha / Life Force Max Power Kamehameha.
 
Jasonsith said:
http://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2018/11/death-battle-predictions-roshi-vs.html
After Optimus Prime VS Gundam, the G1 bloggers seem less motivated in commenting Roshi VS Jiraiya.

And yup, with Roshi being able to actually counter or even just dodge Jiraiya's hax attacks, Roshi can simply end Jiraiya in a lot of ways.

I am personally looking forward towards Jiraiya turning into Sage mode spamming tons of Rasengans just to get Roshi using pseudo-Ultra Instinct to slide towards Jiraiya and give the toad sage a point blank Max Power Kamehameha / Life Force Max Power Kamehameha.
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I think they said Roshi wouldnt use the new ability he has get.


I just hope that the moon is destroyed in the Death Battle.
 
Whoever transforms first is losing in Jiraiya vs Roshi. I saw the PV in todays DBCast and Jiraiya tanks a Kamehameha, though as they had no voice over as of the recording of this DBCast, we don't k ow the full context.
 
TheFinalOrder said:
Whoever transforms first is losing in Jiraiya vs Roshi. I saw the PV in todays DBCast and Jiraiya tanks a Kamehameha, though as they had no voice over as of the recording of this DBCast, we don't k ow the full context.
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Dante transformed first and won.

Same thing with Iron Man and Sephiroth.
 
@Final: Yeah, the person transforming first hardly ever is a clue as to who will lose. At this point in the series, it's a 50/50 split as to whether the person who transformed first will win. I'm still glad the fight between the two begins over Roshi thinking Jiraiya's porno books are low quality
 
Spoiler-Free Review of Roshi vs Jiraiya (I know it's kind of pointless now thanks to FinalOrder, but whatever):

-Research actually seemed pretty top notch for this episode, only two things made me question it a little bit: they used the inspiration for Mt. Frypan instead of measuring it for themselves for its size and they used an anime-only continuity for how Jiraiya met the frogs.

-The 2-D animation, in my opinion, was a little underpar for their usual stuff. It picked up by the end of the fight, but the first minute is a little stiff. Also, there's one shot of a custom-made Kame House and tree sprite...it's not pretty.

-Jiraiya's voice actor is very good. Roshi's took the anime's "kind of senile, but still badass" delivery from the English dub. Lanipator's delivery would have had more energy and been more fun, but the guy they got did pretty good.
 
Also, they stated that Roshi in the tournament moved "like Ultra Instinct" and showed a panel where Whis stated the moves were "very similar" to UI. I haven't kept up with the Super manga, but they said that it wasn't technically canon since the plot differs in several places from the anime. I don't know if Roshi actually attained UI or just got lucky enough to keep up with Jiren while he was barely trying.
 
The real cal howard said:
People need to stop ******* spoiling. Luckily the result was obvious, but still.
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Are people too lazy to use a spoiler tag as taught here?
 
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