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Discord (IDW) upgrade
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So, Type 8 Immortality?
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Considering this involved the fundamental nature of his being it may have been one of his inherent abilities as the principle and embodiment of chaos. His chaos magic is usually used for reality warping. Meanwhile things such as chaos empowerment, his reliance on acting chaotic, and his ability to stay conscious despite his brain being; for all intents and purposes. destroyed, are all merely the result of him being the spirit of chaos. All of these are unrelated to his magic as they activated when his magic was disabled. As a result of this relationship, I would imagine changing the nature of his being is one such ability.Antvasima said:
I mean maybe? If magic is life force like it is said to be, then he's losing a lot more than basic magic.
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Ok so abstract exisrence type 2 is a no go, you did say type 8 immortality makes sense. Can Discord also get conceptual manipulation since he re-wrote the nature of his being down to the concept he embodied? If agreed then the question becomes: What type?Antvasima said:
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Is type 3 an option? He refers to himself as a force of nature at one point. No doubt he's refering to the fact that he embodies chaos. There's also the fact that his chaos can control all of reality which might support type 3.Antvasima said:
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Hello, I didn't read most of this but came to disagree with something that came from the thread. The type 8 Immortality.
Existing in many place is, at best, Nigh-Omnipresence. To have type 8 Immortality one needs to depend on stuff to be immortal or resurrected. To give an understandable analogy, you exist in all your body, but you're not immortal as long as every part of it exists. Same with everything you can image that exists in many places at once, it can take very, very little to destroy stuff.
Existing in many place like Discord does could give him many powers, especially with how the statement is both true and poetic, but type 8 Immortality isn't necessarily one of them and needs genuine evidence to be legit.
Existing in many place is, at best, Nigh-Omnipresence. To have type 8 Immortality one needs to depend on stuff to be immortal or resurrected. To give an understandable analogy, you exist in all your body, but you're not immortal as long as every part of it exists. Same with everything you can image that exists in many places at once, it can take very, very little to destroy stuff.
Existing in many place like Discord does could give him many powers, especially with how the statement is both true and poetic, but type 8 Immortality isn't necessarily one of them and needs genuine evidence to be legit.
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Thats a terrible example. A literal Discord/Accord was shown to exist in anyone who wants chaos/order. If he exists in everyone who wants chaos/order, then by definition you need to get rid of everyone who wants them.
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>Accuses me of Speculation and headcanon
>Says killing the original will get rid of the rest.
You've got absolutely no evidence for this whatsoever.
>Says killing the original will get rid of the rest.
You've got absolutely no evidence for this whatsoever.
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@Light
Its you that actually needs to prove his immortality
Its you that actually needs to prove his immortality
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Explain to me how existing in anyone who desires his concept wouldn't allow him to ressurect or be immortal in any capacity? This is basic observation and conclusion.Oblivion Of The Endless said:
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Yeah, I'm with Light on this. The context of the scene was obviously trying to say he was both omnipresent and immortal. That's why they couldn't defeat him with the Elements.
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Ok then
Show me feats or statements of Discord being able to survive as long the concept exists or feats of him resurrecting from it
Show me feats or statements of Discord being able to survive as long the concept exists or feats of him resurrecting from it
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It never went to that point since they defeated him peacefully, but it's clear that he had it.
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Thats just an assumption then
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Apprently Accords able to manifest themselves on ponies of their own free will is assumptions now. Typical.
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Able to manifest anywhere on the concept exists is nigh-omnipresence
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A question if I may:
Was this additio discussed and cleared by the staff before it was added, and if so, can somebody please explain the context of why it is a universal feat to conquer a reality and create lots of portals to other ones?
Was this additio discussed and cleared by the staff before it was added, and if so, can somebody please explain the context of why it is a universal feat to conquer a reality and create lots of portals to other ones?
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And if they can manifest of their own free will, then why would that not used as a form of ressurection if one of them dies?
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And for the record that's not Accord "putting his face on stuff" those are the individual Accord's within the ponies coming out of their own free will.
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Not gonna argue anything, but "speculation and headcanon" are used for abilities all the ******* time on this wiki.
Kirby's resistance to EE is one of them as the noted example given is super vague as ****.
Maybe we need more clarification on things rather than assumptions if you want to argue speculated abilities don't count.
Kirby's resistance to EE is one of them as the noted example given is super vague as ****.
Maybe we need more clarification on things rather than assumptions if you want to argue speculated abilities don't count.
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Good. Now prove it. Post some real evidence or drop it. You cannot objectively prove that killing the main one will kill the others. You accuse me of headcanon, and yet here you are doing it even more than me.Eficiente said:
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Again, its you that needs to prove that he can resurrect from it
Just being able to exist anywhere doesnt grant you immortality
Just being able to exist anywhere doesnt grant you immortality
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Yet again, if they can manifest of their own free will then that should happen. Answer me this: If they can manifest themselves of their own will, then what stops them from manifesting if the original dies? They are clearly able to manifest any time they want and did do so indicating they can do so without the individual. Yet again I ask: What stops them from manifesting without the original when they can and have done so by themselves previously? It just seems nonsensicle for them not to be able to when they did just that in the comic.Oblivion Of The Endless said:
The only argument I've seen against this is the headcanon that killing off the real one will kill of the others, which cannot be proven.
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Are you talking about the Eris edit? I'm not 100% certain it was discussed.Antvasima said:
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Okay. Darkanine accused me of breaking the rules for undoing it due to finding it suspicious:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3606972
It isn't like I changed any statistics though. I just didn't think that this addition seemed to fit as a justification.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3606972
It isn't like I changed any statistics though. I just didn't think that this addition seemed to fit as a justification.
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Yes I know. You said you deleted it because:Antvasima said:
A question if I may: Was this addition discussed and cleared by the staff before it was added.
If the revision was made and no one discussed it then I guess you were in the right? Idk. I don't remember a discussion on it.
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Honestly, it cannot be definitively declared that killing someone who has the power to exist anywhere/everywhere will completely get rid of them. It depends really on how their omnipresence functions. In one case if it would be completely dependent on their original existence and conscience then yes that would do the trick. On the other hand, if their physical body, or "original" manifestation, is irrelevant and unecessary to a greater encompassing presence, then no, killing just their "original" bodies/manifestations won't work at all. According to what Light said, the latter circumstance seems to be the case for Discord/Accord. Also keep in mind that the latter situation does not really denote immortality as the actual encompassing presence is not harmed at all, just the manifestation that got killed. So I don't agree with Light's statement about Discord's immortality unless he can further elaborate on his argument or I am missing something in this.
EDIT: It seems that Discord/Accord, as an apparently all-encompassing presence, exists alongside the ponies' desire of the very concepts of Chaos/Order. This may grant him Type 8 immortality since he cannot be destroyed as long as those concepts AND the ponies desires for them exist. So I take back my statement on not agreeing with Light.
EDIT: It seems that Discord/Accord, as an apparently all-encompassing presence, exists alongside the ponies' desire of the very concepts of Chaos/Order. This may grant him Type 8 immortality since he cannot be destroyed as long as those concepts AND the ponies desires for them exist. So I take back my statement on not agreeing with Light.
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In theory though, would Discord in your opinion be able reappear from within someone who desires his concept? Or would we be dealing with someone separate and thus not actually reviving?ÆONS said:
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