Digimon Q&A Thread 02

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well according to the description, said black hole was actually the "dark realms of hell". Although this could also just be anime translation hence why I brought the change up as a higher feat.


Feat in question...

 

[Executor_N0]

The place itself was the World of Darkness, what we can also call as hell, dark realm, dark area, etc. It's more like the black hole was inside the World of Darkness than the black hole being the World of Darkness itself

 

[Nickballas]

So was Pinnochimon screwing around with Etemon or was he taking him seriously in any way?

 

[Infera28]

Black Hole feats, just like a lot of Reality Warping and Creation feats, can't be really calculated. By our "black holes standards" the feat would be Multi Solar System level, by our Celestial Body feats standers, galaxy-size things moving at ftl speed are putted simply as Galaxy level feats

so MetalEtemon feat was multi solar system level? because we don't know if mentioned black hole was moving at ftl speeds or not. only MetalEtemon absorbed it. multi solar system level mega digimon is closer to ultimate digimon feats too.

 

[Infera28]

also one question. Vademon feat was considered as galaxy level or solar system level? because according to his profile feat was galaxy level but according to calculations solar system level.

 

[Executor_N0]

If we pixel calculated one of the stars in the scene and tried to calculate an explosion in that pocket dimension, this would be Solar System level. But when I did the calculation it was agreed by some people that an looking galaxy in the background was enough to say that this was an galaxy sized pocket dimension.

About Metal Etemon feat, it was said that since the absorption didn't happened in thousands of years, and in the scene we saw the black hole quickly getting smaller was Etemon returned as Metel Etemon,then it was agreed that the absorption was FTL and then the feat would be Galaxy level.

To be fair, these things are a bit strange for me. But I think that's more that I much more comfortable with the universal and multiversal feats than the stellar and galaxy ones (After all, the Tier 2 and up feats are much more common than nearly every other feat in the franchise), and then it's strange for me when I need to do something with these Tier 4~3 guys lol

 

[Infera28]

how many instances we have with a digimon affecting/interacting with someone else's digicore through normal attacks? (without using specfic abilities and gears such as Titamon's Zanjintou, Konpaku Shingeki, helllfire or Dobermon's Schwarz Strahl)

 

[Executor_N0]

Actually, not much. After all, this is why the Wireframe exists, to protect the Digicore from outside influence and this is why attacks from these Digimon are really powerful, they ignore the Wireframe protection and attack directly the Digicore itself.

Outside of these cases, there's Hisyaryumon orbs, that are in fact the souls of the Golden and Horned dragons, and are normally touched by any other Digimon. We could also use the case of Digicores as itens like the ones in the World series, and Soul bodies from dead beings like Mirei from Reigitize or Pete from Cyber Sleuth or the beings on Cyber Sleuth that are simply their metaphysical self with no really physical body (The main example is Takumi).

 

[ZwartD]

The universe of xros war includes all the pervious anime and manga universe(v tamer, adventure-tri, frontier,saver v...v...v) right?

 

[DORUgoramon]

Wait, Mirei is dead?

 

[Executor_N0]

@ZwartD Technically, the manga uses stories from every possible source

@DORUgoramon Technically. During past events at the beginning of the Vitium Project, a black hole was created and Mirei was absorbed and destroyed physically. Her spirit reached the Digital World and she gained a digital body and started to act as a vigilant of the parallel worlds.

This is why she didn't returned to the Real World at the end of Reigitize. She didn't had a body. But this was only revealed in Decode.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Basically in Digimon, Black Holes send your spirit to the the Digital World. Just like tidal waves....

 

[DragonEmperor23]

lol

 

[Executor_N0]

Technically the black hole would simply be a dimensional distortion. Vitium served as a link between the Digital World and the Real World. So the "black hole" was just a wormhole to the Digital World. What happens is that in this situation Mirei's body was destroyed, so all that was left was her "soul".

 

[ZwartD]

Since there are infinite number of worlds/digital worlds layered on top of each other and the hierachy of worlds was confirmed in the mother eater's art book as well. Can digimon multiverse become an infinitely layered multiverse with each of multiverse being superior to the below multiverse?

 

[Executor_N0]

The structure is there to be used. We know that the structure is based on emanationism, with higher levels of existence transcending lower levels of existence. All Digimon needs for something like this is a description that there are infinite layers. Theoretically, we don't know how many layers there are between the Digital World Physical Layer and the Four Holy Beasts Layer, it's even possible that in Survive it turns out that there are infinite worlds between these layers, that would really make Digimon an infinitely layered multiverse.

Or, maybe there are infinite layers between the World of the Eaters and the "Gods". We only need a statement for this to happen.

 

[ZwartD]

The structure is there to be used. We know that the structure is based on emanationism, with higher levels of existence transcending lower levels of existence. All Digimon needs for something like this is a description that there are infinite layers. Theoretically, we don't know how many layers there are between the Digital World Physical Layer and the Four Holy Beasts Layer, it's even possible that in Survive it turns out that there are infinite worlds between these layers, that would really make Digimon an infinitely layered multiverse.

Or, maybe there are infinite layers between the World of the Eaters and the "Gods". We only need a statement for this to happen.

Can you give me a scan or a link above "infinite worlds" in Survive?

 

[Executor_N0]

I said it's possible that there is, not that it really exists right now (especially now since the game hasn't been released yet and we have little information about it).

 

[ZwartD]

The digital world is a large server that connect many smaller folders/servers/smaller digital worlds, is it correct?

 

[Executor_N0]

Sometimes, Bandai isn't very coherent in regards to this terminology. Since Digimon World 3 (When the concept of Servers with the meaning of worlds started to appear in the games) the servers were worlds that existed inside of the Digital World, it was never said that the Digital World itself was a server. Later in Digimon World X was said once again that the servers were a part of the Digital World, never was said that the Digital World was a server. This remain the same during Digimon Story.

During Digimon Story Sunburst/Moonlight it was said that the characters from Savers and Next were from different Servers, "Different Digital Worlds". This was the first time were the Digital World was said to be a different server. Anyway, every other time where severs were referenced in Sunburst/Moonlight, they were simply "Servers inside the Digital World". This remained the same in Digimon Story: Lost Evolution and I believe that this was also the case in Digimon Story Super Xros Wars: Red and Digimon Story Super Xros Wars: Blue.

The V-Pets themselves never really used the "concept of servers", at least this was never the focus. In the Storyline of Digimon Twin it was said that the Digital World was managed through different servers. And the "Training Boxes" were said to be spaces that existed through the multiple layers of the Digital World and they were accessed through addresses, this is the same concept that was used in Digimon Story.

It was only in the Storyline of the "Digivice of the 15th anniversary" that a Digital World was called once again to be a "Server". In this storyline was said that "In the Digital World Iliad, which resides on a separate server from the Digital World governed by Yggdrasil[...]". But even this statement isn't very clear because this is saying that servers were a part of the Digital World (Yggdrasil), and Digital World: Iliad simply wasn't from a server from the Digital World governed by Yggdrasil.

So, it's far more consistent that the Servers are simply inside the whole Digital World. In the most recent games (Reigitize, Decode, Cyber Sleuth, Next 0rder and Hackers Memory) the servers were simply worlds, or simply spaces, that exists inside of the big Network (Like the GIGO Company Network or the EDEN Network).

Technically would could say that the Digital World is a larger, or bigger, server were smaller servers exists. But this terminology is nearly never used, and when it's used it isn't very clear.

 

[Marcusbwfc]

"Vitium served as a link between the Digital World and the Real World"

the spirals do this in rearise too.

also, mieri states in cyber sleuth the multi-verse is infinite doesnt she?

 

[Executor_N0]

A lot of times

 

[Marcusbwfc]

if thats teh case, then there's already an infinite mltiverse or whatever you guys were talking about.

and with this recent mirei stuff, digimon like quartzmon, lucemon x, and boltboutamon were trying to destroy the infinite multi-verse (technically lucemon still could since there's one chapter left of DCX lol)

 

[ZwartD]

I know that this wiki doesn't use the term "megaverse" anymore, but i want to ask a question In my facebook deathbattle group, the term "megaverse" is used commonly, and there have been many people saying that the human world is a "megaverse" . Is it true or not? Because the human world is a single multiverse, it isn't a collection of many multiverses.

 

[Executor_N0]

Terms are worthless unless they carry meaning, "Megaverse" as meaning "Multiple multiverses" is simply a useless concept here, there's no reason for a verse as being higher than another simply because there are "multiple multiverses", what matters is the size of the verse as something quantifiable, the number of space-time continuum, their complexity, etc.

And therefore, we are based on the number of universes instead of how many "Multiverses" there are. If a franchise has 12 universes, with "6" universes composing "Multiverse A" and another 6 composing "Multiverse B", that would still be 2-C and there is no reason to be bigger than any other franchise that has simply 12 universes in a single "multiverse".

If we are talking about "Infinite Multiverses with each Multiverse having infinite universes", this would still be 2-A, we would simply say in the profile something like "Is capable of destroying an infinite number of multiverses, each one having an infinite number of universes".

The only thing we add more are levels for franchises with higher planes of existence, higher dimensions, or whatever the franchise decides to call it, which is an unqualified difference inherent in the level of existence of a certain place.

About Digimon, I don't understand why any place would call the "Human Multiverse" as being a megaverse, they are simply infinite universes for infinite possibilities.

The most I've seen some people say is that there is a multiverse for each "season", like a multiverse for Adventure, a multiverse for Tamers, etc. But that's not true. The reality is that officially, the first different "universe" that belongs to the same "brand" would be the recently announced "Digimon Adventure:" (Unless you count V-Tamer and Adventure as the same "multiverse", with for some reason some people do this lol).

No matter what games, novelizations or other adaptations, it was never said that there were multiple universes for each of these adventures. All that was said is that they would be different stories addressing the possibilities not shown in the television series, they never made official as a universe actually existing within the multiverse (much less say that they are different multiverses).

For example, we know that there is the Universe of Digimon Adventure, there are stories like Digimon Adventure PSP, Digimon Medley or the Novel that retell the history of the anime, but with differences. There is no official explanation that says "there are different universes in the multiverse", it is only said that they are "possibilities that were not shown in the television version", just saying that they are possible depending on conditions, but they were never really placed in the big "multiverse" of the franchise.

Technically Digimon Adventure Anode Tamer and Digimon Adventure Cathode Tamer are different universes and exist simultaneously according to Digimon Tamrs: Brave Tamer thanks to the whole timeline split created by Mille. But it is one of the few exceptions to this.

TL;DR There's no thing like a "megaverse" officially in the franchise, what should come closest to this is the World Hierarchy, but this deals with higher dimensions and levels of existence.

 

[Marcusbwfc]

Digimon human world is not a "mega verse". That would literally make 0 sense.

 

[00potato]

It kinda does. If you are using Mega as a prefix.

 

[Marcusbwfc]

no, because that means every single piece of digimon media uses the same human world. so tai and takato in the same human world. or tai and keisuke from hackers memory.

or tai from v-tamer, tai from adventure, and tai from the new series.

 

[Executor_N0]

@Marcusbwfc About what you are talking about ?

If is about what 00potato said, I think that what 00potato said is that Mega as a prefix means "millions of that", "a lot of that", so a Megaverse would mean that there are "a lot of (uni)verses", so it would make sense to say that it's a megaverse lol

 

[Marcusbwfc]

thats what a multiverse is

 

[Executor_N0]

I agree and this is one of the reasons for why I don't like the idea of "megaverse".

 

[ZwartD]

I have just realised that in Digimon Tamers CD dramas the digital world was described as a galaxy-sized dimension, is this a contradiction? Since the digital world is a multiverse

 

[Executor_N0]

It was just a description of how the Digital World grew as well as how much bigger a threat was Malice Bot compared to the D-Reaper, "If it was the size of the Solar System before, now it would be the size of the Milky Way", just one comparative that "it is much bigger now, at absurd levels".

Anyway, Konaka clearly wanted to continue with his original ideas of the Digital World being just a virtual world that has some connections with the Real World, literally being the internet that we need every day. (In a way, Tamers' old scenario was still based on some levels with Adventure's, but only for convenience).

Honestly, I don't expect Konaka to place the Digital World as anything but a world of information that somehow manifests itself in our world because of "quantum something".

Anyway, since we don't have any change of seeing a sequel to this story anytime soon, I would just put this story in "standby" until anything change.

 

[Marcusbwfc]

even then, thats just the tamers DW specifically.

 

[ZwartD]

I have a question When we enter Mother Eater's body, we can clearly see there are countless spirals stretching infinitely. Are those spirals a manifestion of all multiverses or Eater's dimension?

 

[Black_Hoopa]

What types of abstract existence does Yggdrasil have?

 

[Executor_N0]

Yggdrasil is a non-corporeal abstract existence that exists only as a abstraction without a physical body, so it's Type 1. However, Yggdrasil is able to create Physical Bodies to act as avatars in the physical world (I'm using this name because it's a simple explanation, physical world in Digimon can mean the Real World as well).

This is the same as with Apcoalymon, the Seven Great Demon Lords and other characters from Digimon. They exists simply as a concept, so it's Type 1, but they are able to create physical body that acts as Type 2

Tl;dr True Forms are Type 1, but they are able to create Avatars that acts as Type 2

 

[Black_Hoopa]

Ulforce V Dramon shouldn't have better Regenerationn than the other Rk's since apart from his speed is he also recognized for that?

 

[Executor_N0]

Yes, the problem is that we don't really know a lot about the Ulforce in relation to what level it's able to regenerate.

Our Regenerationn page only covers the level of Regenerationn in relation to what is still existing, it says nothing about speed of Regenerationn. Ulforce is overpower because it's a very fast regenerative ability, being able to regenerate faster than instant data-delete attacks are able to delete data.

It's overpower, but this isn't going to gave a rate very high, since speed is irrelevant for the page itself (But, we can gave explanation about this in the profile itself).

The other RK with very high Regenerationn, Alphamon, may not be able to regenerate as fast as Ulforce, but we saw he regenerating from Death-X-mon attacks (That completly deletes the Digicoe) and even after his Digicore was consumed to help Taiga (Unlocking Alphamon as a possible evolution).

Alphamon isn't as fast as Ulforce in relation to the Regenerationn, but the level of the regen itself (Being able to regenerate even without the Digicore) is something that we haven't seen Ulforce do so far.

At least not directly, since Ulforce V-Dramon evolved from a "dead" Aero V-Dramon, so he may have been able to regenerate even after the Digicore being destroyed, but this never was really explained, so we can't be sure about that. And I doubt that we'll ever see Ulforce regenerating from digicore destruction, since the whole point about the Ulforce is "it's a very fast Regenerationn ability".

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The best we were able to put was Low Godly and even then, it's not entirely accurate because the point is that he regenerates faster than instant deletion. It's not exactly easy to rate.