DickMaster Additions (Hazbin Hotel)

[ShionAH]

Realised some stuff that could be added to the profile or the very least argued.

• Heat Manipulation for Holy Light (Effortlessly vaporized Sir Pentious and his entire blimp with one energy blast)​
• Resistance to Heat and Fire Manipulation (He endured numerous punches from an enraged Lucifer, who was heating up and burning his punches while delivering them. When watching in slow motion I saw that when Lucifer lands hits his hands get extinguished which would mean Adam's face was taking/absorbing the fire/heat atleast for the initial 5 punches since we cannot really see the affect of the rest. Lucifer's heat should be superior to Adam's)
  Non-Physical Interaction (Fought and destroyed all of Alastor's minions and tentacles while also tanking hits from them, cleared all of Alastor's tentacles in one blow)​
• Resistance to Electricity (?) (Alastor's tentacles and minions have like an electric aura and the noise they make also supports this)​

Spoiler: Votes

Agree: 2 (@Propellus, @Just_a_Random_Butler)

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[DaReaperMan]

• Heat is fine, I guess. Could argue its just AP though.
• It's not really a resistance for Adam cause Lucifer was beating Adam's ass, for all we know Lucifer's fire is just not comparable to the heat from light beams, plus limited contact means that Adam wouldn't be taking all that much heat.
• I'd say that Death Manipulation would only apply to plants(if that) considering we've never seen Alastor deathhax a living person.
• NPI is fine, Resistance to Darkness Manipulation is not. Alastor's Darkness is pure AP so Adam just Durability'd through it.
• I'd wait for more information on if that's actually electricity, and I wouldn't agree with it anyway considering we never see it impact Adam, and EVEN THEN he could've just Durability'd it.

 

[ShionAH]

It's not really a resistance for Adam cause Lucifer was beating Adam's ass,

Adam was tanking it, any other being would have burned and destroyed.

for all we know Lucifer's fire is just not comparable to the heat from light beams,

I mean ehh, Lucifer is much more powerful and has a stronger Angelic Magic. Fires entire deal is being hot also lol

I mean technically unless we can prove Alastor can only do it to plants it will be normal death hax (Vox literally has mind hax so I wouldnt be surprised if Alastor had a instant win hax)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Adam was tanking it, any other being would have burned and destroyed.

Because Lucifer is currently the strongest character in the verse? Tanking hits from him and managing to get up is a feat in of itself, but there's a reason fire resistance is usually from standing in the shit, not getting punched by it because of how fire works.

I mean ehh, Lucifer is much more powerful and has a stronger Angelic Magic. Fires entire deal is being hot also lol

Now turn on a lighter and put your hand through the flame really fast. That's basically what happened here, you need a bit of extended contact to get burned.

I mean technically unless we can prove Alastor can only do it to plants it will be normal death hax (Vox literally has mind hax so I wouldnt be surprised if Alastor had a instant win hax)

He has only done it to plants, and has touched numerous people and not killed them on the spot.

 

[ShionAH]

Because Lucifer is currently the strongest character in the verse? Tanking hits from him and managing to get up is a feat in of itself, but there's a reason fire resistance is usually from standing in the shit, not getting punched by it because of how fire works.

If someone literally uses THEIR FIRE MAGIC TO BURN AND HEAT THEIR PUNCHES that wouldd be a Fire Resistance. Real simple, if Adam didnt have it he would burn or even more

Now turn on a lighter and put your hand through the flame really fast. That's basically what happened here, you need a bit of extended contact to get burned.

Adam took like 7 or more continous punches from burning and heated up hands of Lucifer, my lighter is not the same as Lucifers ******* fire magic

He has only done it to plants, and has touched numerous people and not killed them on the spot.

Yeah but he wasnt trying to kill them

 

[DaReaperMan]

If someone literally uses THEIR FIRE MAGIC TO BURN AND HEAT THEIR PUNCHES that wouldd be a Fire Resistance. Real simple, if Adam didnt have it he would burn or even more

Adam took like 7 or more continous punches from burning and heated up hands of Lucifer, my lighter is not the same as Lucifers ******* fire magic

Okay and I can wave my hand through fire 10 times consecutively and not get burned. It would be up to you to prove that Lucifer's fire inherently functions differently to normal fire.

Yeah but he wasnt trying to kill them

That's just proof it's not passive or Alastor's Death Manipulation only applies to what we've seen it work on: plants.

 

[ShionAH]

Okay and I can wave my hand through fire 10 times consecutively and not get burned.

Lets burn my hand and I punch you 10 times, it will burn. This is being so nit picky for no fricking reason, Adam can tank super heated burning punches from Lucifer who scalez above Adams heat. Thats literally more than enough

It would be up to you to prove that Lucifer's fire inherently functions differently to normal fire.

Already proved it, its superior to Adams Magic.

That's just proof it's not passive or Alastor's Death Manipulation only applies to what we've seen it work on: plants.

Then shouldnt it be limited?

 

[CodeCCLL]

• Heat is fine, I guess. Could argue its just AP though.

Vaporizing someone is not temperature/heat manipulation.

Adam didnt have it he would burn or even more

Touch a burning wood and a metal stick to each other 7 or more times and pull them back, you will see that the metal stick does not burn.

For the rest, I agree with @DaReaperMan arguments.

 

[ShionAH]

Things you use as an example are not hotter tha stuff that can vaporize metal

Why are we being so nit picky holy shit its Adam not getting burned by fire punches simple as hell

 

[DaReaperMan]

Lets burn my hand and I punch you 10 times, it will burn. This is being so nit picky for no fricking reason, Adam can tank super heated burning punches from Lucifer who scalez above Adams heat. Thats literally more than enough

Already proved it, its superior to Adams Magic.

Where's the proof Lucifer's fire is above Adam's heat?

Oh, he's... stronger? How's that proof?

his magic is better? A beam=/= fire though, right?

It goes on and on Shion. None of this is actual feats of what you're claiming. Adam would, at best, have neutered heat resistance to the point it doesn't matter for anything, if you want this to be the case, show me Lucifer grabbing Adam with fire instead of punching him with it, extremely minimal contact=no proper resistance, that's how fire works.

Then shouldnt it be limited?

I mean I think it shouldn't be there at all but yeah limited would be fine.

 

[ShionAH]

Where's the proof Lucifer's fire is above Adam's heat?

Oh, he's... stronger? How's that proof?

his magic is better? A beam=/= fire though, right?

What??

Adam use Magic = Light

Lucifer use Magic = Fire

Lucifed Magic > Adam Magic

Fire > Light

It goes on and on Shion. None of this is actual feats of what you're claiming. Adam would, at best, have neutered heat resistance to the point it doesn't matter for anything, if you want this to be the case, show me Lucifer grabbing Adam with fire instead of punching him with it, extremely minimal contact=no proper resistance, that's how fire works.

It is not just punching once but like 10 mf times, Ive seen characters get Heat resistance for far more weaker feats

Adam is getting hit by superheated burning hands, continiously. He doesnt get hit 1 or 2 times he gets hit like 10. You are being nitpicky and I know why

 

[CodeCCLL]

Adam use Magic = Light

Lucifer use Magic = Fire

Lucifed Magic > Adam Magic

Fire > Light

Lucifer use magic = fire breathing duck
Adam use Magic = holy light
Lucifer magic > Adam magic
Fire breathing duck > holy light

Lol, what kind of logic is this?

 

[DaReaperMan]

What??

Adam use Magic = Light

Lucifer use Magic = Fire

Lucifed Magic > Adam Magic

Fire > Light

"Huh? What do you MEAN i need proof for extraordinary claims? These magics should be sufficient for my upscale scaling of heat!"(Despite the fact that Fire and light are unrelated until you back up your extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence)

It is not just punching once but like 10 mf times, Ive seen characters get Heat resistance for far more weaker feats

Adam is getting hit by superheated burning hands, continiously. He doesnt get hit 1 or 2 times he gets hit like 10. You are being nitpicky and I know why

Then remove those heat resistances. Two wrongs do not make a right.

I see no reason to hear the same exact argument form you again, so count what I agree with and disagree with and be done with it

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Resistance to Death Manipulation (He fought and easily defeated Alastor, who can induce Death (Passively??)

I don't think we do something like that for something so potentially vague?

I know, don't use another verse blah blah blah. But Asta has something similar and I don't think anyone has ever gained death resistance from being around him.

 

[ShionAH]

"Huh? What do you MEAN i need proof for extraordinary claims? These magics should be sufficient for my upscale scaling of heat!"(Despite the fact that Fire and light are unrelated until you back up your extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence)

"Huh? What do you mean Lucifer the literal king of hell, character who can create flames is superior to Adam's holy light which is way weaker than Lucifers magic! What??"

I see no reason to hear the same exact argument form you again, so count what I agree with and disagree with and be done with it

Whatever. I added you on disagree with everything since thats what you vote for Ig.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Shion, I still don't see that proof of Lucifer's flames being hotter than Adam's beams, I dunno, sounds like an assumption made just because he's stronger in stats!

• Heat is fine, I guess. Could argue its just AP though.
• It's not really a resistance for Adam cause Lucifer was beating Adam's ass, for all we know Lucifer's fire is just not comparable to the heat from light beams, plus limited contact means that Adam wouldn't be taking all that much heat.
• I'd say that Death Manipulation would only apply to plants(if that) considering we've never seen Alastor deathhax a living person.
• NPI is fine, Resistance to Darkness Manipulation is not. Alastor's Darkness is pure AP so Adam just Durability'd through it.
• I'd wait for more information on if that's actually electricity, and I wouldn't agree with it anyway considering we never see it impact Adam, and EVEN THEN he could've just Durability'd it.

And uh... yeah I made clear what I agree and disagree on

 

[ShionAH]

I still don't see that proof of Lucifer's flames being hotter than Adam's beams

His magic is superior so it wouldn't exactly make sense if Adam's magic was a thousand times hotter than Lucifers flames. Again 10 punches from burning heated up punches would definitely leave burns marks

I also realised when watching in slow motion when Lucifer punches his hands get extinguished which would mean Adam's face was taking/absorbing the fire/heat atleast for the initial 5 punches since we cannot really see the affect of the rest.

 

[DaReaperMan]

His magic is superior so it wouldn't exactly make sense if Adam's magic was a thousand times hotter than Lucifers flames.

Thats an assumption, not a feat or statement.

Again 10 punches from burning heated up punches would definitely leave burns marks

No, it actually wouldn't. The contact of getting punched is extremely brief so there wouldnt be time to burn(Ignoring the science of Lucifer throwing Hypersonic+ punches basically meaning he physically couldn't burn anything without grabbing it for like 30 seconds from his PoV, let alone the years it'd take if he was FTL)

I also realised when watching in slow motion when Lucifer punches his hands get extinguished which would mean Adam's face was taking the fire/heat atleast for the initial 5 punches since we cannot really see the affect of the rest.

Uh, cool. I guess less punches for your argument???

 

[ShionAH]

statement

Adam is ranked below Seraphims.

Uh, cool. I guess less punches for your argument???

You have no arguments for that I assume, why is this not enough then? He practically absorbs the heat and flames from the punches.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Adam is ranked below Seraphims.

That's not sufficient here. In power, sure, but in terms of things like heat? You need more consise statements for me to accept it.

You have no arguments for that I assume, why is this not enough then? He practically absorbs the heat and flames from the punches.

Or they just went out because of a lack of oxygen from being moved around so much? Shion my dude do you even fire bro?

 

[ShionAH]

Or they just went out because of a lack of oxygen from being moved around so much?

What? If your hand is on fire just moving it wouldn't make it went out. Heck we see the punches are STILL ON FIRE UNTIL they hit Adam's face

Lucifer also literally creates them out of nothing. This is fiction we literally have Immesurable speed fire attacks somewhere here lol.

 

[DaReaperMan]

What? If your hand is on fire just moving it wouldn't make it went out. Heck we see the punches are STILL ON FIRE UNTIL they hit Adam's face

No oxygen=no fire, oxygen can be removed from a fire through various means, Shion. Did you know that a fast movement, like oh... a Hypersonic punch, with just kill the oxygen from feeding into the fire stupid quickly?

Lucifer also literally creates them out of nothing

Another extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence

 

[DaReaperMan]

 

[ShionAH]

Did you know that a fast movement, like oh... a Hypersonic punch, with just kill the oxygen from feeding into the fire stupid quickly?

Infinite speed Fire Balls

Immesurable Fire attacks

Immesurable fire attacks

"OHH BUT BUT FIRE UHH IT STOP WHEN TOO FAST UHH O2 O2 IT NEED OXXYGEN IT CANT DO THAT!!!"

 

[DaReaperMan]

Infinite speed Fire Balls

Immesurable Fire attacks

Immesurable fire attacks

"OHH BUT BUT FIRE UHH IT STOP WHEN TOO FAST UHH O2 O2 IT NEED OXXYGEN IT CANT DO THAT!!!"

Now prove Lucifer's fire doesn't follow that logic!

Yeah ya called Mr. Conservative to your thread did you honest to God think I wouldn't sniff out assumptions like Lucifer's heat>Adam's heat? Plus, like I said, Adam's beams have a 20/80 shot of being AP considering that is the only possible heat thing we see from them, and they don't make things molten when they impact other things

 

[ShionAH]

Now prove Lucifer's fire doesn't follow that logic!

Nope, I dont have to prove shit! You prove to me that suddenly Lucifer's magic is %100 set on reality even though he is a demon that creates fire from nothing. We cannot suddenly say "Fire can't move that fast!" when we have Infinite and Immesurable fire in other verses!

Yeah ya called Mr. Conservative to your thread did you honest to God think I wouldn't sniff out assumptions like Lucifer's heat>Adam's heat?

What the fuck does that sentence mean, what are you even talking about now? My translator isnt working but you are a supporter of the verse and made the original Adam page so I called you.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Nope, I dont have to prove shit! You prove to me that suddenly Lucifer's magic is %100 set on reality even though he is a demon that creates fire from nothing. We cannot suddenly say "Fire can't move that fast!" when we have Infinite and Immesurable fire in other verses!

Just the thing: other verses!

What the **** does that sentence mean, what are you even talking about now? You are a supporter of the verse and made the original Adam page so I called you.

Shion, we do not see eye to eye on things, I'm very conservative and you're pushing the limits. We're opposite extremes... also, you made the original Adam page by taking my original design I made in about 30 minutes flat to stick it to a crappy profile that my instruction was being ignored on and worked on it with my blessing to release something of beauty.

You bring me in to get the crap straight, if I think it's an assumption or it's stretching, I will disagree. If it's solid like NPI in this very thread, I will agree. However, that causes issues when you do have to stretch things, like with FNaF. There's a reason I reworked the 6 profiles I did and returned to the shadows once I confirmed that the rest of the pages were being worked on, I'm too conservative to properly scale the verse, especially in PnA

Or maybe it's because I'm a bit of an aggressive asshole in a debate and thus keep myself to verses I won't start blood feuds over too often

 

[ShionAH]

Just the thing: other verses!

So what this only applies to Hazbin 'cause you said so?

Shion, we do not see eye to eye on things, I'm very conservative and you're pushing the limits. We're opposite extremes... also, you made the original Adam page by taking my original design I made in about 30 minutes flat to stick it to a crappy profile that my instruction was being ignored on and worked on it with my blessing to release something of beauty.

You bring me in to get the crap straight, if I think it's an assumption or it's stretching, I will disagree. If it's solid like NPI in this very thread, I will agree. However, that causes issues when you do have to stretch things, like with FNaF. There's a reason I reworked the 6 profiles I did and returned to the shadows once I confirmed that the rest of the pages were being worked on, I'm too conservative to properly scale the verse, especially in PnA

Or maybe it's because I'm a bit of an aggressive asshole in a debate and thus keep myself to verses I won't start blood feuds over too often

Uhh.. okay? I dont understand do you mean that since we are very much opposites we can never settle down or smth? I already put you on disagree

 

[ShionAH]

Bummp

 

[Homie890]

yeah,this thread descended into chaos real quick
anyways,adam light having heat manip makes sense.
non physical interation makes sense.
now,fire and heat resistence i disagree,because,if you were to light up your fists in fire and punch something,the flames wouldn't have enough time to spread.
darkness resistence i too disagree(how does darkness resistence works?like,you can't resist darkness,its just like resisting smoke manip,what you would be resisting?)
and eletricity resistence,yeah,whatever.

 

[ShionAH]

bump

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Isn’t Sir Pentious thing pure AP?
Disagree with NPI and Resistance to Electricity Manipulation. Tentacles are supposed to touch and attack people, them being intangible makes 0 sense. Also there is no scene where Adam takes those electric tentacles, he simply destroys all of them before they even touch him. (Well there is this scene but it wasn’t electric and Alastor did hurt Adam with that attack so)

Also I’ll just say that this part is just untrue on his profile.

Was completely unharmed from Alastor's attacks.

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor did hurt Adam with that attack so

Nope

Also I’ll just say that this part is just untrue on his profile.

Nope

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Wdym nope? Growling from the attack saying “AH!” and stepping aside, and then smoothing your chin with surprised expression and asking "You think you’re tough shit, huh?” is being completely unharmed?
Anyways, that’s for another thread.

 

[ShionAH]

Wdym nope? Growling from the attack saying “AH!” and stepping aside, and then smoothing your chin with surprised expression and asking "You think you’re tough shit, huh?” is being completely unharmed?

Yes, we discussed this for like 5 or more pages. If you want to change it you should make a CRT

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yes

What is that supposed to mean

we discussed this for like 5 or more pages. If you want to change it you should make a CRT

that’s for another thread.

 

[ShionAH]

What is that supposed to mean

Uhh I know that you know. I simply repeated you.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Uhh I know that you know.

Not really. The scene links to Charlie vs. Adam, while we’re talking about Alastor? Idk how those relate.

I simply repeated you.

I think your translator bugged or smth.

 

[ShionAH]

Not really. The scene links to Charlie vs. Adam, while we’re talking about Alastor? Idk how those relate.

Not the place to explain, but here is 8 pages worth of discussion

 

[Propellus]

Gonna disagree with Heat Manipulation there, as that's just simply AP, and not exactly Heat Manip at all. The minor heat resistance for Adam could work though. Non-Physical Interaction and Resistances for Electricity works as well, but I disagree with resistance to Darkness Manip as that's just simply AP.