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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

BlackDarkness679 said:
DMC2 would have such an overhaul from its original title if remaked
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DMC2 does have potential to be honest. Lucia and Matier are unique characters whose story could use some exploring. Considering DMC is about family and belonging to family, Lucia does have a unique identity given that she's the unknowingly adopted demon who doubts her own humanity and worth.
 
DMC being milked in the remake farm would be a fate worse than conclusion. Aside from the menu-dependent gun switching & some rough camera bits, DMC1 is still a magnificent game. Atmosphere is still impeccable, way more style than modern bland RE menus. It's arguably lesser than its own follow-ups, but like the arcade classics there's magnificent design making it deeper than most with more bells and whistles. It is NOT a simple, shallow game, especially on higher difficulties demanding mastery over its surprisingly intricate scenarios. See Matthewmatosis's no-hit commentary.



I made a post about future prospects for the series, and to float some ideas on what we could get if we got good designers taking the helm instead of just dumbing it down, I think DMC would be even better leaning into the performance assessment systems. That's what elevates the games (sans 2) above just spamming ranged attacks or otherwise cheap it out, instead encouraging the player to master the systems. Both more demanding scenarios & more clarity would be welcome, especially the latter as to this day there's some ambiguity around what exactly gets you how many points in the games beyond some general categorization. Maybe not too much detail, though, as the games are meant to have some expression to them instead of pure minmaxing a number.
 
DMC5 was 7 years ago and even that was a miracle, why would remaking the older games be a bad thing? Plus both 1 and 2 wouldnt hurt to get a touch of better graphics, controls and what not, more or less what RE received

You also you wont get a new sequel any soon and in terms of other media you had the netflix anime and the mobile game which isnt for many people their cup of tea
 
Remakes more often than not dumb down & worsen the controls. That includes RE4 Remake, btw; RE2 remake was novel enough but they disrespected the real RE4's intricate beat-em-up spacing mechanics by making it into a generic third-person shooter with monotonous rushdown hordes that you just gun down before they get in your face instead of it being a puzzle to group the gradually approaching tanky hordes into manageable pockets. All because the real RE4's brilliantly restrained movement was "too clunky" and it was easier to dumb it down than make something new. (Or remake RE6 into a game where the original's slick mechanics had much better level design to bring out its brilliance.) Worse case scenario they really get the "nintendo hire this man" bug by adding in things like movement inertia for "realism" like Konami did for the terrible (and ugly-looking) MGS3 exhumation.

It would be really funny if they remade DMC2 and nothing else, though. As for premises to move forward, it isn't my job to innovate for Capcom, but I wouldn't ask for rehashes either.

EDIT: Oh, or maybe they would make it like that horrible Demon's Souls rehash. The camera was the same but they made the input way worse and blasted all the subtlety out of the art direction with histrionic remixes of the understated OST and goofy "cinematic" touches like random strikes of lighting blowing up trees to wow game journos. Says something that the so-called best PS5 exclusive is a disgraceful skinsuit of a classic game.
 
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BlackDarkness679 said:
DMC5 was 7 years ago and even that was a miracle, why would remaking the older games be a bad thing? Plus both 1 and 2 wouldnt hurt to get a touch of better graphics, controls and what not, more or less what RE received

You also you wont get a new sequel any soon and in terms of other media you had the netflix anime and the mobile game which isnt for many people their cup of tea
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Considering the fact that Capcom won't give DMC the RE treatment by developing both a Remake and a New Game at the same time, we'd be spending at least 1 or 2 decades on rehashing old content with some new things that, in truth, we can already play.
I love playing RE Remakes, but I do so knowing that the series will advance and we won't be running out of games anytime soon. For DMC this is not the case.

DMC 0: Dance of Sparda sweep
 
Palito266 said:
Considering the fact that Capcom won't give DMC the RE treatment by developing both a Remake and a New Game at the same time, we'd be spending at least 1 or 2 decades on rehashing old content with some new things that, in truth, we can already play.
I love playing RE Remakes, but I do so knowing that the series will advance and we won't be running out of games anytime soon. For DMC this is not the case.

DMC 0: Dance of Sparda sweep
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They gotta provide us new materials to go through.

I don't think PoC will last much longer.
 
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Dante Sparda (9.6 Megatons): Dante is in character. Has access to all his weapons. DMC3 (Pre-DT). 2-A Restricted. Muzan Kibutsuji (2.9 Megatons): Muzan is in character. Has all his summons. He has prior knowledge of Dante's abilities. The fight takes place at the Temen-Ni-Gru Apex. They...
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"Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Nero was able to regenerate after he was absorbed on a mental, physical and spiritual level by the savior to become one with it.)"

When I think about it, does coming back from absorption really count as a regen feat? I'm very skeptical about that.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
"Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Nero was able to regenerate after he was absorbed on a mental, physical and spiritual level by the savior to become one with it.)"

When I think about it, does coming back from absorption really count as a regen feat? I'm very skeptical about that.
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The scans literally talk about him reforming his body and memories after Yamato seperated his essence from the Saviour, it really can't get more clearer than that...
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
"Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Nero was able to regenerate after he was absorbed on a mental, physical and spiritual level by the savior to become one with it.)"

When I think about it, does coming back from absorption really count as a regen feat? I'm very skeptical about that.
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I had been skeptical about it as well considering it's separation of his aspects which just end up reforming itself into Nero.
 
So 2-A DMC for canon isnt viable after that recent CRT now right? Tony sure likes to shoot poc out of the way but argue with denied arguments for Low 1-C as if those werent shot off for being weak evidence at least poc had something going that was accepted
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
So 2-A DMC for canon isnt viable after that recent CRT now right? Tony sure likes to shoot poc out of the way but argue with denied arguments for Low 1-C as if those werent shot off for being weak evidence at least poc had something going that was accepted
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Either way, it's not all that bad. Atleast we got a pass to have it integrated inside the canon cosmology and can benefit the knowledge regarding cosmology and energy system.

And besides, I believe the PoC timeline Dante and Vergil gonna have Time Artifact, Book of Demons and other artifacts in the future which is pretty cool.
 
Still, the main canon scaling to those levels would have been nice as it had a strong ground for it unlike desperate attempts that clearly didnt work
 
I'll be honest, I don't know why people to have verses at Tier 1 or above Tier 2 that much, those are like, so boring '-'
 
There isn't anything contradicting 2-A DMC in mainline per se, it's just very weird for the un-numbered alt-timelining cheapo AI-voice Chinese mobile game with debatable canonicity to be the only place where that actually explicitly happens. It's gonna come down to VSBW standard procedure on that kind of material more than anything else, but whether or not PoC is rolled into the numbered games or given its own pages, let's continue to clear up some things on that CRT while it's still going. Might even be a case for making 2-A keys on main pages instead of making new profiles, depending on some things.
 
If poc takes place between some games, then it being the only 2-A rating while others just 2-C brings into question for visitors for example as to why only that has it if its not occuring past all 5 games
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
If poc takes place between some games, then it being the only 2-A rating while others just 2-C brings into question for visitors for example as to why only that has it if its not occuring past all 5 games
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If I'm getting this jumbled mess correctly! Even the alt-timeline DMC3 guys don't scale to Hellfilth, the only on-screen interaction they have is Hellfilth squishing DMC3 Vergil. Only guys who fight Hellfilth and win are (possibly the real) DMC5 Dante and Vergil (not putting much stock in the alts of the other characters who show up to pose at the end of the fight). So -- again, unless I'm missing something here, you guys better double-check all this & be for real about it -- it's just linear monster-of-the-week power creep with only post-Sin Devil Trigger guys applying. A big jump, but a linear one and not some retconning nightmare, and not even necessarily contradicted by the sea of 2-C feats besides.

Recap here, confirm/debunk it and do what you will with the cards on the table, I got other places to be.
 
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
If I'm getting this jumbled mess correctly! Even the alt-timeline DMC3 guys don't scale to Hellfilth, the only on-screen interaction they have is Hellfilth squishing DMC3 Vergil. Only guys who fight Hellfilth and win are (possibly the real) DMC5 Dante and Vergil (not putting much stock in the alts of the other characters who show up to pose at the end of the fight). So -- again, unless I'm missing something here, you guys better double-check all this & be for real about it -- it's just linear monster-of-the-week power creep with only post-Sin Devil Trigger guys applying. A big jump, but a linear one and not some retconning nightmare, and not even necessarily contradicted by the sea of 2-C feats besides.
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Nowhere i argued DMC3 scales to her or any of this yap you got going, do dunno why you brought up stuff like this to begin with

What i said is, if poc was to be added as a separate key to the main canon if it takes places i between them, only it being 2-A while other past it only 2-C makes no sense
 
After this, I'm definitely preparing for another round with clear cut facts at hand. I actually never dealt with canonicity stuff like this and it came out randomly but now I'm determined to tackle it carefully next time.

That being said, I've other revisions to worry about soo I'll take care of it later. There is alot of content the verse has beneath its surface we barely touched yet.
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
Nowhere i argued DMC3 scales to her or any of this yap you got going, do dunno why you brought up stuff like this to begin with

What i said is, if poc was to be added as a separate key to the main canon if it takes places i between them, only it being 2-A while other past it only 2-C makes no sense
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Yes, power creep tends to make it so that the most recent things to happen are more strongerer than the earlier things to happen. As long as there are things such as big awakenings (such as Sin Devil Trigger) and timeskips involved to help with marking before-and-after points, aesthetics such as the underwhelmingness of it being some rando like Hellfilth -- I don't think it's controversial to say Hellfilth isn't as cool as Mundus, despite being apparently much stronger and having an imposing character design -- showing up this strong don't enter the picture much. And don't be rude about covering all the bases, it was worth considering if DMC3 chars suddenly got this huge jump or if it's only after DMC5/SDT. This is assuming PoC can be considered canon, of course...

SuperSonicTL said:
After this, I'm definitely preparing for another round with clear cut facts at hand. I actually never dealt with canonicity stuff like this and it came out randomly but now I'm determined to tackle it carefully next time.
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You didn't think the timeline-hopping un-numbered cheapo Chinese mobile game with asset flipping and AI voices was going to be considered dubiously canon here? Well, I don't know what your "next time" looks like, but like I said, heed precedent & outline what the end result of things will look like in your OPs. Don't be afraid to ask for examples & other help beforehand.
 
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
You didn't think the timeline-hopping un-numbered cheapo Chinese mobile game with asset flipping and AI voices was going to be considered dubiously canon here? Well, I don't know what your "next time" looks like, but like I said, heed precedent & outline what the end result of things will look like in your OPs. Don't be afraid to ask for examples & other help beforehand.
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That's not what I'm saying. Unlike Tony who claimed it to be main, I always knew it was an alternate timeline. It's just he failed to see it and the moment he knew I was correct, he suddenly start claiming its not scalable.

The thing is , the events are played in the same exact manner. This was taken right after DMC3 events when Vergil was trapped inside underworld during Count Thunder event where he interacted with Broken Gear that showed him the visions of Pluto (who died in original timeline) will meet him and from there he would betray him that leads to his death:

The only thing that caught me off-guard was this weird fact regarding you can’t cross scale within the canon multiverse where every possibility is realized under quantum fluctuations.
 
Prolly cuz may fall under a scenario like DBZ/DBS manga/anime, all went through the same events with some differences here and there, but their power levels arent identical, TOEI Frieza would watch Manga Cell for example or TOEI SSJ3 Goku affecting an infinite realm by his transformation which solos anyone in manga with till DBS surpasses it, on top of never crossing together paths

Or kinda like Marvel and Fox Wolverine while going through somewhat similar events, have no cross scaling between them to justify are equal or comparable, former one shot Sabertooth whom latter couldnt do so in their fight

So i assume they want evidence main canon Dante and Vergil can actually keep up with poc variants, perhaps by actually having faced things from the poc timeline to justify scaling, since its possible just like Trish and Void Mundus from novel of 2, to be versions above main ones, which prevents main versions scaling to their variants
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
So i assume they want evidence main canon Dante and Vergil can actually keep up with poc variants, perhaps by actually having faced things from the poc timeline to justify scaling, since its possible just like Trish and Void Mundus from novel of 2, to be versions above main ones, which prevents main versions scaling to their variants
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Pretty much, yeah. It wasn't that hard to understand.
 
Who is interested in PoC storyline? I just recently closed the pieces together and turns out it's more of a rollercoaster then I originally believed. So, do I need to make a thread about it? And if so, what should be its classification? Revision thread?
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Who is interested in PoC storyline? I just recently closed the pieces together and turns out it's more of a rollercoaster then I originally believed. So, do I need to make a thread about it? And if so, what should be its classification? Revision thread?
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Wdym? Like, a cosmology blog? If it is just telling the events a normal blog should be good to go, no thread necessary
 
Drite77 said:
Wdym? Like, a cosmology blog? If it is just telling the events a normal blog should be good to go, no thread necessary
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Okay so let me establish this first that the source of the entire story comes from this wiki:
dmc-poc.fandom.com

V: Broken Gear

Broken Gear is the first permanent Side Story events, featuring Eternal Nightmare unit. It is the first event that introduced CG PV screen. Broken Gear, assumed one of Metilda's artifact, shifted itself across the timelines. In one of the timelines, V was crossing the street until the Gear...
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This is written by the moderator of Discord PoC server and is directly overseen by the developers as per his claim. With that out of the way, I'll go on and give a small summary here:

The whole thing started right after DMC3 ended and Vergil was stuck inside Underworld. We know originally that Mundus caught him and turned him into Nelo Angelo after 9 years of torture but things worked different here.

In some other timeline, Broken Gear was awoken from within the Demon World and found V. He tried to get his help but V was weak. However, he did told him an alternative that there is another man that can help him.

So, Broken Gear jumped to another (PoC) timeline where Vergil was wandering inside the Demon World and Broken Gear showed him the visions of Pluto killing him and Dante being stabbed (?) out of random.

Knowing that, the next time he met Pluto, he already forseen his future and avoided the attack and escaped as a result. Later, Pluto and his assistant—Medea—decided to have a deal together and join as a force.

Then came the main storyline of PoC where Dante met Pluto, tried to stop him and stuff happened. Now from there, Dante found a girl named Lily who can see the future. She and Dante went on a different journey but found Broken Gear and she tried to control it. Unfortunately for her, she couldn't handle its power and transported herself to Underworld.

Dante then wandered the Underworld through the portals that Lily left via Broken Gear and finally met her. She then said that they are in a place known as Chaos timeline which is a rift between worlds where the laws of space and time are different (think of it as something similar to Realm between realms within the branches of Yggdrasil from God of War).

They then tried to escape it via space artifact they got from Medea by charging it with Book of Demons. From there, Lily was trying to get a hold on Broken Gear's power but Vergil interrupted them both.

She then teleported them across in some sort of sci-fi time dimension where they both fought (this is during DMC3-DMC1 don't forget). Helfilth then jumped them from above and they both escaped.

Now, Lily was trying to control Broken Gear's power which led her to accidentally teleport herself into "another" alternate timeline where he found DMC5 Dante who was going to defeat Urizen (this Dante already knew who V was which should be impossible for PoC timeline Dante as PoC Vergil was never separated considering Mundus never was able to get a hold of him). He trained Lily to control Broken Gear, she thanked him and then teleported back to her own timeline with Broken Gear and so on.

Now, some unknown time passed and both our PoC Dante and Vergil turned into their DMC5 selfs. They cross eachother's paths once more and fought as a result. But Vergil already got SDT through some unknown mean (he was searching for Sparda's power in the underworld). Dante during the fight then also got SDT (Via mastering rebellion to a certain degree it seems) and they fought even harder till Helfilth jumped them again and invited both to another timeline which they accepted. In there, both Dante and Vergil was questioning the nature of timeline and Vergil's Yamato sensed that all of time is collapsing. This is where Helfilth fought them, V and other companions jumped from different timelines to assist them via Broken Gear and he lost. As a last resort, he sealed the timeline itself and went away.

In Persuasion, Dante escaped the timeline with his Cavaliere via Broken Gear's power and landed himself into another timeline where Helfilth was hiding and the story stopped there.

There's a total of 5 timelines involved here:
  1. V's where Broken Gear originally came from.
  2. DMC5 Dante who knows V which Lily met (possibly the same as V, not sure).
  3. PoC Dante and Vergil.
  4. The timeline Helfilth throwed them in.
  5. The timeline that Dante went in to find Helfilth after he locked the dimension and ran away.
You guys would probably find it intriguing @Random-Helper323, @BlackDarkness679, @Huesito88, @Follow_Doctor_Freeman, @Ser_Hakim_Dayne
 
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One more note, Helfilth is the resident of PoC timeline existing within the rifts of world in a location called "nightmare space." This is the same place discovered during DMC1 where Nightmare teleported Dante towards after being engulfed within him.
 
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SuperSonicTL said:
Okay so let me establish this first that the source of the entire story comes from this wiki:
dmc-poc.fandom.com

V: Broken Gear

Broken Gear is the first permanent Side Story events, featuring Eternal Nightmare unit. It is the first event that introduced CG PV screen. Broken Gear, assumed one of Metilda's artifact, shifted itself across the timelines. In one of the timelines, V was crossing the street until the Gear...
dmc-poc.fandom.com dmc-poc.fandom.com
This is written by the moderator of Discord PoC server and is directly overseen by the developers as per his claim. With that out of the way, I'll go on and give a small summary here:

The whole thing started right after DMC3 ended and Vergil was stuck inside Underworld. We know originally that Mundus caught him and turned him into Nelo Angelo after 9 years of torture but things worked different here.

In some other timeline, Broken Gear was awoken from within the Demon World and found V. He tried to get his help but V was weak. However, he did told him an alternative that there is another man that can help him.

So, Broken Gear jumped to another (PoC) timeline where Vergil was wandering inside the Demon World and Broken Gear showed him the visions of Pluto killing him and Dante being stabbed (?) out of random.

Knowing that, the next time he met Pluto, he already forseen his future and avoided the attack and escaped as a result. Later, Pluto and his assistant—Medea—decided to have a deal together and join as a force.

Then came the main storyline of PoC where Dante met Pluto, tried to stop him and stuff happened. Now from there, Dante found a girl named Lily who can see the future. She and Dante went on a different journey but found Broken Gear and she tried to control it. Unfortunately for her, she couldn't handle its power and transported herself alongside Dante to the Chaos Timeline, a limbo place between worlds where the laws of space and time are stated to be different. Take it as equivalent of Realm between Realms within the branches of Yggdrasil from God of War.

Dante then wandered the Underworld and met her and they tried to escape it via some space artifact iirc. From there, Lily was trying to get a hold on Broken Gear's power but Vergil interrupted them both.

She then teleported them across in some sort of sci-fi time dimension where they both fought (this is during DMC3-DMC1 don't forget). Helfilth then jumped them from above and they both escaped.

Now, Lily was trying to control Broken Gear's power which led her to accidentally teleport herself into "another" alternate timeline where he found DMC5 Dante who was going to defeat Urizen (this Dante already knew who V was which should be impossible for PoC timeline Dante as PoC Vergil was never separated considering Mundus never was able to get a hold of him). He trained Lily to control Broken Gear, she thanked him and then teleported back to her own timeline with Broken Gear and so on.

Now some unknown time passed and both our PoC Dante and Vergil turned into their DMC5 selfs. They cross eachother's paths once more and fought as a result. But Vergil already got SDT through some unknown mean (he was searching for Sparda's power in the underworld). Dante during the fight then also got SDT (Via mastering rebellion to a certain degree it seems) and they fought even harder till Helfilth jumped them again and invited both to another timeline which they accepted. In there, both Dante and Vergil was questioning the nature of timeline and Vergil's Yamato sensed that all of time is collapsing. This is where Helfilth fought them, V and other companions jumped from different timelines to assist them via Broken Gear and he lost. As a last resort, he sealed the timeline itself and went away.

In Persuasion, Dante escaped the timeline with his Cavaliere via Broken Gear's power and landed himself into another timeline where Helfilth was hiding and the story stopped there.

There's a total of 5 timelines involved here:
  1. V
  2. DMC5 Dante who knows V which Lily met
  3. PoC Dante and Vergil
  4. The timeline Helfilth throwed them in
  5. The timeline that Dante went in to find Helfilth after he locked the dimension and ran away.
You guys would probably find it intriguing @Random-Helper323, @BlackDarkness679, @Huesito88, @Follow_Doctor_Freeman, @Ser_Hakim_Dayne
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I don't know if mentioning it being similar to a GoW realm is necessary
 
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