Demon vs Demon

[BakiHanma18]

Baki Hanma vs Shinra Kusakabe

8-B vs 8-B

Speed Equalized

Location: Tokyo

Starting distance: 10 feet

In character

Amps that allow characters to exceed 8-B are restricted

Shinra: 1

Baki: 2

Shinra: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinra_Kusakabe

Baki: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Baki_Hanma


Shinra Kusakabe


Baki Hanma

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Shinra kicks once

 

[Bob8999]

7-C vs 7-A um..... do i even need to say this? shinra ap stomps, hard.

 

[BakiHanma18]

I disagree. First Baki has 0.5 Second Consciousness, which allows him to hit first in most any engagement. Second, he has Aiki, so he can use Shinra's AP advantage against him. Finally, Benda bypasses durability

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Baki cant even hurt him

Shinra is literally 10000x stronger or so

 

[BakiHanma18]

Right, but if Baki bypasses durability, that shouldn't be a problem, right? Also, I'm fairly sure Shinra can hurt himself (Aiki)

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Baki doesnt open with Aiki

Besides, Aiki cant redirect damage of that caliber

Shinra can also just use his pseudo time stop and its done

 

[BakiHanma18]

How does Shinra's TS work? Also, does he open with it?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He amps himself to FTL speeds

Baki also cant reach him because of Flight and AoE fire attacks

 

[BakiHanma18]

Alright, so is there anyway I could modify the fight so that it isn't a stomp in your opinion?

 

[SpookyShadow]

Shinra stomps so hard it's not even funny, it's Small Town vs Mountain level dude, also durability negation shouldn't really matter here

 

[Bob8999]

He amps himself to FTL speeds
Baki also cant reach him because of Flight and AoE fire attacks

um.... speed is equal and according to the rules.

• During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.

so if hes just amping his speed, speed equilization nullifies it.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Nope, stat amps are allowed in speed equal matches

 

[Bob8999]

• During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.

i literally copy pasted that from the rules, so no.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He is not the slower character, so he can use the stat amp

 

[Bob8999]

that is not how it works.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Shinra stomps so hard it's not even funny, it's Small Town vs Mountain level dude, also durability negation shouldn't really matter here

Actually, it's 7-C vs 7-A, as stated in the OP. Not a huge distinction, but definitely not a distinction without a difference

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yes, it is. there was already a discussion about this

Baki wouldnt be able to use stat amps because he is the slower character here

Shinra is already naturally faster than him (relativistic), so he is allowed to amp himself

 

[BakiHanma18]

Yes, it is. there was already a discussion about this

Baki couldnt be able to use stat amps because he is the slower character here

Shinra is already naturally faster than him (relativistic), so he is allowed to amp himself

No, I think the point he's trying to make is that his speed amp would cause a speed blitz victory, which is against the rules

 

[Bob8999]

7-C = town level and 7-A = mountain level

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yes, it is. there was already a discussion about this

Baki couldnt be able to use stat amps because he is the slower character here

Shinra is already naturally faster than him (relativistic), so he is allowed to amp himself

No, I think the point he's trying to make is that his speed amp would cause a speed blitz victory, which is against the rules

My point is Shinra would be allowed to amp himself, even with speed equal

 

[Bob8999]

no he isnt!

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He is. It would be a blitz? Sure, but he is allowed to amp, still...

 

[SpookyShadow]

Blitz can be a wincon with speed amps. Blitz without speed equal (natural speeds) no, then it's a stomp blitz.

 

[BakiHanma18]

He is. It would be a blitz? Sure, but he is allowed to amp, still...

See, I'm not understanding. The rules say that a speed amp that causes a blitz is against the rules. Wouldn't Shinra's amp be against the rules?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

That depends. If the amp is too strong, then it would be a stomp. But he is still allowed to amp himself, you cant restrict that even with speed equal

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

An example of this is Kumagawa

90% of his matches he wins by speedblitzing with a thought or so

 

[SpookyShadow]

Isn't he extremely overpowered even without that? I mean, he won against Giorno few times

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Only with EE, which he doesnt use in character

 

[SpookyShadow]

Meh, I thought he was. I noticed he's along with Ikki and Reinhard most loved character on this wiki

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Shinra via Instinctive Reaction, Analytical Prediction + Info Analysis, and passive Statistics Amplification. Certain this is a stomp, too.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Alright, so is there anyway I could modify the fight so that it isn't a stomp in your opinion?

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[SpookyShadow]

Maybe Shinra with Corna? But I don't know, I'm not caught up enough with the anime/manga

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It doesn't matter because he can't get past those abilities Shinra has in all keys.

 

[BakiHanma18]

It doesn't matter because he can't get past those abilities Shinra has in all keys.

If I were to make this City Block+ Shinra, this would be a stomp in the other direction. I'm looking for an in between

 

[SpookyShadow]

Then it's a stomp

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Not really. He wouldn't be able to hit him at all.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Hey Milly, btw, would you comment on my new Senku fight? https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3445333 Right here

 

[BakiHanma18]

Not really. He wouldn't be able to hit him at all.

Okay, change made

 

[BakiHanma18]

Op edited: Shinra is now City Block+ level