Damn, I even forgot I made this thing.
Baki also has feats of fighting against characters that massively outstat him. For example, as a 13 year old, he was capable of fighting and defeating Hanayama, who had a weight advantage of a 100 kg and was at bare minimum 5 times stronger than him, which is considerably close to an one-shot difference
Saying "Oh, his strength is dimensions above mine" is just a more fancy way of saying it's much more stronger, I don't see why it should be treated as anything more than that without further context
Gaia was capable of reading the heart in order to predict every movement, which allows him to know his opponents' strategies, morals, fighting spirit, and numbers. With this he was capable of reading the shots of a hundred soldiers, and it was stated to be a lesser form of Musashi's prediction which consists on literally reading the brain waves sent by the opponent. Due to obvious reasons Baki far upscales from this.
About the swordstyle, I'm not really sure how this compares to Baki at all. Mastery of countless martial arts is not really something new in baki, since even beginning of series Motobe was creating styles of Jujutsu capble of countering all martial arts styles, Yujiro also knows all martial arts, even ones that were forgotten...
Does it work differently in the novel than in the anime? Cause as far as I remember it doesn't bring any significant advantage besides allowing Cid to attack from a longer range. I might be wrong tho
Really? I was under the impression the slime suit had higher durability than his own?
Like, it's never stated as far as I remember. It most likely has a somewhat higher durability, but not to a level it would allow him to simply neg Baki's attack
Baki should have quite obviously AD, but for some reason it's not in his profile, which kinda amazes me since he has it since pretty much the first ten chapters.
With demon back Baki would have pretty much a 4x advantage, does Cid have any feat adapting to a gap like that?
The fact he can fight someone stronger than himself and even kill
Yeah, but he didn't do that through AD, or am I wrong?
Didn't see any CRT for the verse about that. Either way, I am atomic is restricted, so it's not really relevant here.
He could exert that level of power through a special technique that he can't use here. There is no proof that feat scales to his physical stats.
Yeah you didn't see it because it hasn't been added like I said, and yes it is relevant because it is stated that Cid's AD allows his magic to eventually perform above I am atomic. So with that being the case forget his scaling about being solar system lvl, you restricted I am atomic under the assumption that he'd win if he had it. Otherwise it obviously wouldn't be restricted, Cid is already at a point even before the solar system feat where his magical abilities are beyond the I am atomic that he had previously used via his AD. Baki has no way to win against someone who's not only physically stronger than himself but has a wider variety of abilities that he's never seen and cannot adapt to, even with the speed equalization Cid has flight and can absolutely bully him from long range and even from close range Baki has no way to deal with the slime suit. This a stomp no matter what angle you try and tackle this from, Baki is 7-C Cid is 7-A at a baseline and potentially 4-B I don't see the competition
Incorrect, did you just make a vs battle without checking Cid's profile?
I'm genuinely shocked it literally says it on the first few sentences of his page his AD allows him to surpass his previous physical peaks with I am atomic, and yes if it wasn't obvious in order for a living being to exert any amount of force or energy it has to be able to withstand equal amounts of force or energy. Cmon this is basic stuff you think the magic he uses for I am atomic just comes out of thin air?
No, I mean I didn't see any CRT about the topic. Has this already been discussed in a crt?
First, just cause his magic scales to I am atomic doesn't mean his physicals do. Harry Potter might be capable of doing wall level or above feats through magic, that doesn't mean he can do the same with a punch. There is no reason to believe his magic scales to his physicals, even less when the profiles make a clear distinction between magic and physicals.
As I said previously in the thread, I don't see how slime suit gives Cid any kind of advantage besides ranged attacks, which Baki can simply dodge through way better analytical prediction. Also, it's in-character for Cid to go into CQC first.
No it says his magic can surpass his previous I am atomic, which is clearly differentiated from his physical stats.
Same example as before, Harry Potter can shoot wall level magical beams, doesn't mean they scale to his physicals. Even the profile states his durability is lower than his I am atomic AP.
Maybe you are not aware of this, but magic, usually, does in fact come out fron thin air. That's why it's magic in the first place.
1. That's a terrible analogy to use as this is The Eminence in Shadow and not Harry potter Cid is not a useless human without his magic 2nd. You never said the use of magic was restricted just that a single move was restricted again a really horrible analogy because Cid has other moves he can poor an equal amount of mana into I am atomic is the act of becoming something akin to a nuclear bomb Cid can still do equal amounts of dmg without the move so that's your misconception
Magic comes from mana bro what the hell are you talking about? It's at the end of the day a kind of energy, if magic truly came out of thin air everyone in every fantasy series would be able to blow up the universe. By far the dumbest thing you've said no offence you seriously need to do more research
Are you blind? Or can you just not read? It clearly says on Cid's page that he's 7-C physically which by default puts him on par with Baki and then it says he's 7-A WITH MAGIC followed by it saying higher with I am atomic, if you want Baki to win just restrict the use of magic. Don't sit here and clearly come up with factually incorrect notions of a character and then continue being incorrect about all his subsequent info
You completely missed the point. Cid might be a hundred times stronger than Harry Potter, but you still need to prove his magic feats scale to his physicals if you want to say so, which you didn't so far.
He uses magic to control the slime suit, hardening it at will, not to empower it's attacks. And again, going for ranged attacks is not his starter move.
Baki doesn't have AD in his profile cause it's ass basically. Even in the first few chapters we see Baki learning Karate in less than a month to the point he could stomp several 3th dan black belts and dog the top student of the shinshinkai school. Besides, he can counter his AD through amps, as I said before.
The amount of fantasy verses that actually use manais extremely small compared to the normal. The average fantasy story does not use such concepts, instead, magic comes from, guess what? Thin air.
What you said previously was not that he was superior with the use of magic, but that he is physically superior, which is what I'm arguing against.
No, YOU completely missed the point. I wasn't saying his magic feats scale to his physical AP and it doesn't have to because you didn't restrict the use of his magic you restricted the use of 1 move
I don't give a shit how many fantasy verses don't use mana, this one does. Stop changing the subject you're wrong, period. Baki cannot win against Cid you've been dodging the core of the subject this entire time Cid can still use magic and he has a mana empowered slime suit that has better durability feats than Baki has AP stop the bs if you cannot prove Baki being able to get past something of Cid's caliber with magic he has no way of winning end of discussion and even if Cid starts with CQC Baki cannot neg diff him in time for Cid to just start resorting to long range tactics which is in character for him to do so literal minutes after starting a fight
I never said that, you just misunderstood you're referring to when I said that his AD allows him to surpass his physical peaks with I am atomic. Yes it does, me saying physical peaks is not referring to his physical AP or Durability without the use of magic I was referring to his physical capabilities using magic. I don't understand why you're under the assumption that Cid can only use I am atomic with his magic and I have no clue how you're incapable of comprehending that Cid's mana is what allows him to use I am atomic in the first place. So until you answer this and stop changing the subject I will not reply to your points and waste my time going back and forth anymore I'll repeat what I'm about to say. Cid wins mid diff at best, that's my vote unless you prove that Baki can damage the slime suit and beat Cid before his AD closes the gap between the 2
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You were just before he massively outdoes Baki physically, because he outscales his I am atomic with magic. I am asking you to prove his magic scales to his physicals, which you didn't do yet.
Not necessarily? My ******* toaster uses the same source of energy than hydraulic presses, doesn't mean it can do the same. So far we have only seen Cid use his magic to control the slime suit, while we have no solid reason to believe it scales to the totality of his magic.
He can amp and defeat him before Cid adapts, which is something that can actually happen with his pseudo-blitz + dura neg.
Just cause it's in the profile doesn't mean it's combat aplicable. Vagabond Musashi has regen listed in his profile despite it's not fast enough to be used mid combat. Cid has never ever showcased supernatural luck in combat, only in more casual context. And I agree, we should focus on his other abilities.
Don't really remember the verse actually using mana? Maybe I'm just wrong tho.
See point one and two.
I would actually argue he can, based on what I've seen so far from Cid in terms of CQC. Baki seems to have a big advantage in technique and analytical prediction, and I don't see how Cid could counter 0.5 uncounscious, or his dura neg.
See point one.
Because that's the only offensive use of mana he has showcased besides the slime suit?
Ok? I mean you do you, I don't even care that much about this topic anymore, since there is little to no people willing to discuss it. I will post this to respond to the points you posted, but like, you have no obligation to keep discussing this if you don't want to.
K, I will count that.
