Demi-Fiend (SMT) vs Undertale universe

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Well Demi-fiend seems to win as he can be low 1-C luckily this isn't full demon

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's incredibly unlikely full demon Hitoshura is low 1-C, as that would mean he'd need to be infinitely more powerful than Lucifer and Kagutsuchi, which he was never hinted at being. If he was Low 1-C just from the logic of being stronger than a High 2-A, then Asriel would be Low 1-C, as well.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

It's incredibly unlikely full demon Hitoshura is low 1-C, as that would mean he'd need to be infinitely more powerful than Lucifer and Kagutsuchi, which he was never hinted at being. If he was Low 1-C just from the logic of being stronger than a High 2-A, then Asriel would be Low 1-C, as well.

you have a point so i can't tell now ik Demi-fiend has a ton of hax but so does undertale nvm stalemate

 

[Squid_peanut]

you have a point so i can't tell now ik Demi-fiend has a ton of hax but so does undertale nvm stalemate

but undertale's hax give them infinite tries, infinite prep time, and infinite knowledge, and can pick and choose results to create a perfect ru

 

[Undylan]

but undertale's hax give them infinite tries, infinite prep time, and infinite knowledge, and can pick and choose results to create a perfect ru

Sounda like NLF and any tier 1 could override that

 

[Squid_peanut]

sure, is demi-fiend tier 1 or have counters to that though? as determination is pretty good at negating other time manipulation

 

[ClassicGameGuys]

I don't really care enough to get into a long debate on this thread but.... Hitoshura is blatantly not as strong as Aleph

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I don't really care enough to get into a long debate on this thread but.... Hitoshura is blatantly not as strong as Aleph

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This. I'm pretty certain Aleph is supposed to be one of the absolute strongest protagonists in SMT.

 

[MagiSinbad]

I don't really care enough to get into a long debate on this thread but.... Hitoshura is blatantly not as strong as Aleph

Hitoshura has NOTHING to put him on the same level with Aleph, even Flynn has more impressive feats o3o

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

I don't really care enough to get into a long debate on this thread but.... Hitoshura is blatantly not as strong as Aleph

Hitoshura has NOTHING to put him on the same level with Aleph, even Flynn has more impressive feats o3o

Yep now i think about it Demi-Fiend isn't as impressive as those 2 but still OP

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

Demi solos

 

[Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand]

Hitoshura. But with high diff. Specially against Asriel.

 

[Overlord-Murasama]

So should we add this to Hito's victories? It seems that people generally agree on him winning

 

[Talonmask]

Pretty sure Full-Power Asriel has an edge in terms of hax, if he has the same abilities he had as Flowey, whatever damage he took could be restored by just accessing a SAVE file.

Not to mention that Angel of Death could possibly render Hitoshura immobile.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well even though Asriel is the only one capable of trading blows, the fact that he is backed up by Frisk who should be capable of at least tanking, and Asriel having Angel of Death and time bleh would probably get an edge here.

 

[Tivanenk]

I don't really care enough to get into a long debate on this thread but.... Hitoshura is blatantly not as strong as Aleph

Hitoshura has NOTHING to put him on the same level with Aleph, even Flynn has more impressive feats o3o

Flynn is on Aleph's level. Lucifer said that at full power he rivals YHVH.

 

[Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand]

Well even though Asriel is the only one capable of trading blows, the fact that he is backed up by Frisk who should be capable of at least tanking, and Asriel having Angel of Death and time bleh would probably get an edge here.

Frisk isn't doing much here apart from reset. Frisk is a pacifist with great durability. Hitoshura is just going to ignore him if he simply don't try attack him.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yeah but that's not always what Frisk is. If the player wants to they can makes Frisk attack him, but yeah they are not going to do much.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I might be inclined to give the edge to Hitoshura if he was full on demon (might), but I don't see him being able to take this more times than not in this state.

Also, there's always "Annoying Dog solos", but where's the fun in that?

 

[Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand]

lol. I didn't read OP. So i think this was True Demon Ending Hitoshura.

Anyway. Half-Demon Hitoshura should still be above Kagutsuchi. And Kagutsuchi still destroyed billions of universes. So...

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

lol. I didn't read OP. So i think this was True Demon Ending Hitoshura.
Anyway. Half-Demon Hitoshura should still be above Kagutsuchi. And Kagutsuchi still destroyed billions of universes. So...

Billions of universes is only 2-B, though. That would be cutting Kags short, as his Amala Universe was High 2-A (infinite universes). That said, beating a High 2-A still only makes you High 2-A, similarly to how first form Asriel is still High 2-A after powering up, as a non-infinitely small fraction of High 2-A is still High 2-A.

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

How is Undertale high 2-A? I mean it doesnt matter, Demi-Fiend still stomps regardless

 

[Talonmask]

How is Undertale high 2-A? I mean it doesnt matter, Demi-Fiend still stomps regardless

How so? They are at the same tier.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

How is Undertale high 2-A? I mean it doesnt matter, Demi-Fiend still stomps regardless

Undertale isn't a High 2-A verse. Only one character is High 2-A (though there's one character beyond him).

 

[Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand]

How is Undertale high 2-A? I mean it doesnt matter, Demi-Fiend still stomps regardless

Undertale is not High 2-A as some people already state it. In fact only the god tiers would be a match for Hitoshura. He would murder the rest of the verse. The only real problem i can see for him is Asriel. But i would still vote for him.

 

[Squid_peanut]

the question now is can he negate Asriel's determination. Because if he can't Asriel will save state to victory

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

the question now is can he negate Asriel's determination. Because if he can't Asriel will save state to victory

By one-shotting past his durability


He solos Undertale easily, nobody in it is high 2-A

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Demi-Fiend is not High 2-A either.

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

Yes he is, casually lol

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

I left this wiki, hoping it would improve but clearly, its just still in its "Yeah woohoo, wank Undertale dry" phase

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well you can go take a walk and see that Demi-Fiend is 2-A here.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yes he is, casually lol

How is half-demon Hitoshura casually an infinite number of times stronger than Kagutsuchi?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I left this wiki, hoping it would improve but clearly, its just still in its "Yeah woohoo, wank Undertale dry" phase

Exactly how do we wank Undertale?

 

[Tivanenk]

Yes he is, casually lol

How is half-demon Hitoshura casually an infinite number of times stronger than Kagutsuchi?

Wait, where's the thread that changed them to 2-A? I want to see it.

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

Well you can go take a walk and see that Demi-Fiend is 2-A here.

This wiki is wrong then

"Exactly how do we wank Undertale?"


Papyrus is large island via a horrid KE calc that was just calc stacking, Asriel is multiversal because he destroyed timelines which isn't really DC but moreso hax, Sans stalemating Piece Beatrice

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Wait, where's the thread that changed them to 2-A? I want to see it.

A thread didn't change them. We just changed infinite universes to 2-A instead of High 2-A.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Well you can go take a walk and see that Demi-Fiend is 2-A here.

This wiki is wrong then
"Exactly how do we wank Undertale?"


Papyrus is large island via a horrid KE calc that was just calc stacking, Asriel is multiversal because he destroyed timelines which isn't really DC but moreso hax, Sans stalemating Piece Beatrice

1. How is the wiki wrong by assuming the Demi-Fiend is 2-A? You're just saying that we are with no given explanation.

2. It's not calc stacking in any way, as it only uses generic relativistic values.

3. Destroying timelines is not remotely hax, it is the destruction of an entire universal space-time continuum. And Asriel is literally infinitely stronger than beings who can do such things casually.

3. Not seeing what that has to do with anything.

 

[Tivanenk]

Wait, where's the thread that changed them to 2-A? I want to see it.

A thread didn't change them. We just changed infinite universes to 2-A instead of High 2-A.

Hmmm, well Sanat did state that he was a higher dimensional being than humans, which would mean that the Amala Network isn't a simple 4-D space-time multiverse, and is at least 5-D space-time if not higher. This would mean that they'd have to be boosted back up to High 2-A

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Hmmm, well Sanat did state that he was a higher dimensional being than humans, which would mean that the Amala Network isn't a simple 4-D space-time multiverse, and is at least 5-D space-time if not higher. This would mean that they'd have to be boosted back up to High 2-A

Being 4-D is being higher dimensional than humans. The Amala Network contains an infinite number of 4-D space-time continuums, which is a 2-A feat.

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

Well you can go take a walk and see that Demi-Fiend is 2-A here.

This wiki is wrong then
"Exactly how do we wank Undertale?"


Papyrus is large island via a horrid KE calc that was just calc stacking, Asriel is multiversal because he destroyed timelines which isn't really DC but moreso hax, Sans stalemating Piece Beatrice

1. How is the wiki wrong by assuming the Demi-Fiend is 2-A?
2. It's not calc stacking in any way, as it only uses generic relativistic values.

3. Destroying timelines is not remotely hax, it is the destruction of an entire universal space-time continuum. And Asriel is literally infinitely stronger than beings who can do such things casually.

3. Not seeing what that has to do with anything.

1. Because hes above Mettatron with ease

2. Doesn't work like that sorry to say get your calcs right

3. What? Okay first of all, it was a reset of a single timeline and trusting the word infinite in fiction makes Hulk multiversal

4. Because Beatrice punts Sans' head off casually