Demi-Fiend (SMT) vs Undertale universe

[The_Everlasting]

1. Being above a 2-A being still makes you a 2-A being.

2. 'Cept a being far weaker than Papyrus has a relativistic feat. We're not using a specifically calculated value, we're just using relativistic speeds.

3. Asriel's attack is literally infinite. And Flowey is far, far more powerful than Chara, who destroyed the entire Undertale game, which contains countless timelines.

4. Not when Sans is much, much faster.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

1. Because hes above Mettatron with ease

You have to be infinitely stronger than another 2-A character/5-D to be High 2-A, actually.

 

[Tivanenk]

Hmmm, well Sanat did state that he was a higher dimensional being than humans, which would mean that the Amala Network isn't a simple 4-D space-time multiverse, and is at least 5-D space-time if not higher. This would mean that they'd have to be boosted back up to High 2-A

Being 4-D is being higher dimensional than humans. The Amala Network contains an infinite number of 4-D space-time continuums, which is a 2-A feat.

No it is not. Being 4-D spatial =/= 4-D space-time. I would've agreed that Kagutsuchi is at least 2-A if he only busted the space in these multiverse, but time also met its death, so 4-D space plus 1-D time = 5-D space-time.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

No it is not. Being 4-D spatial =/= 4-D space-time. I would've agreed that Kagutsuchi is at least 2-A if he only busted the space in these multiverse, but time also met its death, so 4-D space plus 1-D time = 5-D space-time.

That's not how it works. Spatial dimensions and "time" dimensions function similarly. You must embody a dimension of time in order to be 4-D. The universe is 4-D because it embodies time. It actually has a 4th dimensions, whereas humans only have three spatial dimensions and none of time. An objects dimensional status is defined by the minimum number of coordinates needed to determine a single point within it, not any higher.

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

1. Being above a 2-A being still makes you a 2-A being.
2. 'Cept a being far weaker than Papyrus has a relativistic feat. We're not using a specifically calculated value, we're just using relativistic speeds.

3. Asriel's attack is literally infinite. And Flowey is far, far more powerful than Chara, who destroyed the entire Undertale game, which contains countless timelines.

4. Not when Sans is much, much faster.

1. Metta is high 2-A

2. That is literally calc stacking.

3. Timelines of the same universe

4. Piece Beatrice shit-blitzes literally all of Undertale

 

[Tivanenk]

No it is not. Being 4-D spatial =/= 4-D space-time. I would've agreed that Kagutsuchi is at least 2-A if he only busted the space in these multiverse, but time also met its death, so 4-D space plus 1-D time = 5-D space-time.

That's not how it works. Spatial dimensions and "time" dimensions function similarly. You must embody a dimension of time in order to be 4-D. The universe is 4-D because it embodies time. It actually has a 4th dimensions, whereas humans only have three spatial dimensions and none of time. An objects dimensional status is defined by the minimum number of coordinates needed to determine a single point within it, not any higher.

But even if that's the case, he said "dimensions" instead of "dimension" which means that he's at least two dimensions above humans. This would still point to a 5-D being.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Dark

1. Not according to his page.

2. No, it is not. Calc stacking would be if we tried to calc a value for Napstablook's movement and then used it.

3. And that means what exactly?

4. Even though she's MHS+ while they're Relativistic+.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

But even if that's the case, he said "dimensions" instead of "dimension" which means that he's at least two dimensions above humans. This would still point to a 5-D being.

"Lower dimensions" would consist of anything 1, 2, and 3 dimensional compared to a 4 dimensional being. It does not mean he is at least 2 dimensions higher.

 

[Tivanenk]

But even if that's the case, he said "dimensions" instead of "dimension" which means that he's at least two dimensions above humans. This would still point to a 5-D being.

"Lower dimensions" would consist of anything 1, 2, and 3 dimensional compared to a 4 dimensional being. It does not mean he is at least 2 dimensions higher.

But he stated "creatures of lower dimensions" He was obviously referring to humans here who are three dimensional. Who, compared to him, are at least two dimensions lower.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

But he stated "creatures of lower dimensions" He was obviously referring to humans here who are three dimensional. Who, compared to him, are at least two dimensions lower.

A three dimensional being could refer to as a two dimensional being as "of lower dimensions" despite there only being a single dimensional difference. The only case in which this would automatically mean he had at least two more dimensions would be if he was talking to a one dimensional being, who would be "a being of a lower dimension" due to only having one.

 

[Tivanenk]

But humans don't encompass 1-D or 2-D, who we can't include those for a human. The only spatial dimension that humans do encompass is 3-D as we can't really be a line or a plane.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

But humans don't encompass 1-D or 2-D, who we can't include those for a human. The only spatial dimension that humans do encompass is 3-D as we can't really be a line or a plane.

Yes they do. Something that is 3-D does not live in some magical "third dimension". It is something that HAS three dimensions.

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

@Dark
1. Not according to his page.

2. No, it is not. Calc stacking would be if we tried to calc a value for Napstablook's movement and then used it.

3. And that means what exactly?

4. Even though she's MHS+ while they're Relativistic+.

2. Actually it is. You're taking the speed of the characters and applying it to an attack. Calc stacking.


3. It means he reseting the same universe, not even at once. Thats one universe. Thats universe level.


4. Omnipresent*

 

[The_Everlasting]

2. Where's the calc to be stacking from, exactly? It's just a regular speed class.

3. Except Chara destroyed every timeline.

Asriel ∞> Flowey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chara.

4. Wrong form.

 

[ThePerpetual]

Oi vey. This is just going to end up being a What Is So and So and What Does It Mean thread rather than a debate thread if this silliness keeps up, sooooo...

Here. The current working definition of calc stacking. Maybe check it out and go from there.

 

[Tivanenk]

Oi vey. This is just going to end up being a What Is So and So and What Does It Mean thread rather than a debate thread if this silliness keeps up, sooooo...
Here. The current working definition of calc stacking. Maybe check it out and go from there.

Well, if what DSK is saying true, then that Undertale example is point 3 on the non-legit calc stacking by calcing energy from a character's speed.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I feel that this thread might as well be closed since nobody wants to debate on the fight here....

 

[DarkSchneiderKing]

2. Where's the calc to be stacking from, exactly? It's just a regular speed class.
3. Except Chara destroyed every timeline.

Asriel ∞> Flowey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chara.

4. Wrong form.

2. Taking the speed from earlier in the verse's feats.

3. A timeline on one universe

Multiversal Hulk confirmed everyone

4. Sure

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Okay, screw all this. I'm closing it now.