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Which is irrelevant as you don't need that much AP to beat her
I think you're going out of your way to restrict sasuke. In the first place nothing stops him from encompassing kawaki, boruto & himawari in his humanoid / perfect susano.
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Delta vs Sasuke Uchiha
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Repeating the question: what prevents Sasuke from using Raiton: Shunshin no Jutsu and blitz Delta?
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no i think he's more willing to bfr than susanoo. deals with her quickly.
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He's never actually tried to BFR before but either way any susano form is still valid here
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Fair point
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Nothing stopped Naruto from encompassing them in Kurama's avatar either?
Sure, but Sasuke would have to directly hit her core, which is vaguely somewhere in her torso, also, even if he does destroy one of Delta's bodies she can just make it self destruct and blow him up. Also, there's the issue of if Sasuke would even be able to use the Susano'o, if Delta even tags him once with her Light Beams he'd loose, Sasuke usually doesn't instantly use it and it takes him quite a bit to even consider using it, like against Jigen, the only time he considered using it was when Jigen transformed and then he instantly went into Full Body Susano'o
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Fair enough
Maybe not, but that's not really the point. The Susanoo Arrow can one shot someone you're comparable to, so since Sasuke's comparable to Delta, his Susanoo Arrow will pierce her.I guess it's just different in the anime and manga then. I never read the manga version of the fight so
The thing is, the Super Massive Rasengan and the Susano'o Arrow aren't remotely comparable in terms of power, like, whatsoever.
He can just not aim in their direction then.
That's a pretty significant difference in distance. And like I showed, Sasuke did blitz Danzo who's close to him in speed, so Delta shouldn't logically be able to dodge them from a similar distance.
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A single humanoid susano blade will basically pierce her entire torso. Blow him up? How will that happen when he's in his susano?
Residential fodder like shin begs to differ. Like i said, y'all are trying your absolute best to restrict his options.
Arrows blitz, susano AP above what delta can handle, Raiton: Shunshin no jutsu for an instant blitz too. Sasuke cleaves delta
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Alright.
Yeah it's a relatively large distance however it's definitely not something that would blitz. Also, again, you're using Danzo when we can just look at what happened in the fight against Naruto where Naruto could very easily react to the arrows after being flung into the ground (which he'd take a bit of time to recover from) and could still stop them when they were halfway there.
Because Sasuke will stay in his Susano'o after he seemingly kills her body?
The only reason he was using Susano'o against Shin is because a) he already fought Shin and got wrecked because of Stupdity
b) He was using Susano'o to fly there, so there'd be no point in going out of his Susano'o
99% sure Sasuke doesn't have that
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sasuke FRA
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a humanoid susanoo blade is def not casually slicing Delta.
Naruto can trade blows in his humanoid form with someone who can damage and break his kurama avatar.
Naruto's Kurama avatar is superior to Sasuke's susanoo given how much resistance his avatar gave towards Jigen in comparison Sasuke's susanoo. and Delta is naruto's equal physically. at best the susanoo will give sasuke slight AP advantage but it's not anywhere close to being a wincon.
Naruto can trade blows in his humanoid form with someone who can damage and break his kurama avatar.
Naruto's Kurama avatar is superior to Sasuke's susanoo given how much resistance his avatar gave towards Jigen in comparison Sasuke's susanoo. and Delta is naruto's equal physically. at best the susanoo will give sasuke slight AP advantage but it's not anywhere close to being a wincon.
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no way people think this when Naruto and Delta were doing this
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Huh? Jigen one shot both of them outta the avatars
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There's 2 problems with that: a) he literally never tried to BFR anyone in a fight before, don't really see why he'd do it now. He knows Delta is a Kara, but doesn't know her abilities, for all he knows she should be able to dimension hop
b) we've already established why Genjutsu wouldn't really do much
And in what context would Sasuke be able to use the Perfect Susanoo here?
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I feel like a lot of people here (mainly the ones that barely elaborate on their reasonings) are just voting Sasuke because of bias but that's an assumption and I can't prove that so who cares
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Why does her being a kara member mean he's gonna assume she can dimension hop? Only their leader can do that and pretty sure Sasuke knows of the others and heard the fights that they had and none of them did that. And yeah Sasuke normally never bfrs people cause the people he fights are either far weaker than him or are usually Ohtsutsuki who he knows can dimension hop. At the very least if he doesn't think the fight is gonna end soon I think he'd bfr her and leave her in one of Kaguya's dimensions.
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I mean tbf kinshiki had a scene like this too
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And why wouldn't he use it here? The kids are even safer inside it
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kinshiki is slower than the fused momoshiki that a exhausted naruto was boxing up.
thats a worse feat for sasuke
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My point is that the anime’s depiction of speed isn’t really a solid argument, when they use it for characters with different levels of speedkinshiki is slower than the fused momoshiki that a exhausted naruto was boxing up.
thats a worse feat for sasuke
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no? lol fused momoshiki was busting sasuke's ass in the manga, and in the anime he needed help and performed worse than an exhausted naruto
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that wasnt the point of the post lol, the point was Delta was keeping up with a healthy and angry naruto. sasuke was underperforming against a foe a weakened Naruto was boxing up.
Delta's feat here is better than anything Sasuke has done so far. so saying sasuke blitzes with raiton body flicker nonsensical
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pretty much , given that outside of BFR which is the strongest argument the second best argument is to assume the gap between Five kage summit sasuke and his susanoo applies to adult sasuke for arbitrary reasons.
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It’s not like sasuke wasn’t tired either, transported multiple people, then had to save enough chakra to bring them back
Sasuke reacted to and blocked isshiki before his sword shrank
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I guess we didn't watch the same anime, both Sasuke and Naruto were giving him the hands, and you completely ignored me saying Sasuke was weakened during that entire fight lmao.
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that doesnt make the feat better, it would just mean an exhausted Sasuke is inferior to an Exhausted Naruto.
thats not a speed feat, it's because his sharingan is able to see ishikki even when he shrinks, Ishikki proceeds to completely dominate him right afterwards despite being casual, casual enough that both Base Naruto and base Boruto intercept Ishikki.
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go watch the fight again then, being able to tag someone while they are busy fighting another person isnt super impressive. Sasuke is slow enough to get restrained by momoshiki and is forced to use Amenotejikara to escape.
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why would that be a feat for Sasuke ?? it's not likely naruto is unable to react to them. (He and sasuke both literally react the beast attack prior to this) Sasuke pushing naruto aside isn't a feat, it's a showcase of his character wanting to protect naruto.
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Just rewatched it, looks like Sasuke wasn't slow, just looks like that was their plan and it worked.
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this is copium and you know it
if you were talking about the movie then you would have a point, both naruto and sasuke do actually box up momoshiki there.
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Huh? I’m talking about when sasuke got hit by one of the cubes, Isshiki attacked and sasuke was able to block it THEN his sword shrank. I’m not referring to his ability to perceive the shrinking itself
Yeah because he shrunk his sword and countered, I was referring to before that happened
You can’t use this as a point when you also say this
Because that’s the very reason isshiki was intercepted in the first place, he was about to finish sasuke with his own sword
One more thing I forgot
It does make it better because at first the argument was that an exhausted naruto performed better than a fresh sasuke
Not saying naruto is unable, but it supports their relativity. And if naruto can react to them so much better, why would sasuke feel the need to even protect him like that in the first place?
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Look even if I agreed Sasuke was less impressive in the fight, how does this make Delta look better? She's physically inferior to Naruto's jutsus which are comparable to Sasuke's (chidori, amaterasu, shinra tensei, bansho tennin), it just wouldn't matter to Sasuke if Delta could fight somewhat better, she's not faster than him and any jutsu he lands is destroying her.this is copium and you know it
if you were talking about the movie then you would have a point, both naruto and sasuke do actually box up momoshiki there.
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that is sasuke reacting to Ishikki being shrunk, Ishikki shrunk himself prior to this
i already addressed this
thats a false equivalence , Sasuke is lying on the floor in a static position, in the momoshiki fight they actively engaging in taijutsu. a better counter argument would have been to just say Ishikki let boruto take sasuke.
no because your ignoring the logic chain that got us there. the comparision was that Delta vs Naruto is a far more impressive feat than Sasuke vs Momoshiki. the reason being is if a a exhausted sasuke is inferior to a exhausted naruto then objectively a healthy naruto would be superior to the sasuke that fought Momoshiki. hence why Delta's feat is more impressive. sasuke being weakened isnt a feat because fused momoshiki's scaling comes from naruto and sasuke. it's a circular scaling chain thats inferior to Delta's feat
I never said sasuke is massively inferior to an exhausted Naruto, i said it's not a feat for sasuke, because knocking someone out the way is not a speed feat like at all. naruto can perfectly react those very same attacks just prior to this. also as for why, because there more beasts, meaning you would have to contend with more just one.
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they not comparable at all, the rasengan that Naruto used on delta is called the chocho odama rasengan, it's the strongest version of that line of rasengans. theres nothing to suggest sasuke's ninjutsu is comparable to that attack. given that Both kinshiki and fused momoshiki tanked Sasuke's chidori. in contrast a weakened Naruto's chocho odama rasengan completely obliterated fused momoshiki. and the one that defeated Delta was a rasengan that caused naruto to be exhausted. it caused a healthy Naruto to be exhausted which is straight up ridiculous.
it wouldn't. thats also ignores that delta would just absorb the attacks and send them back at sasuke, and Sasuke does not have the reserves to fight a battle of attrition.
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