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I just (sort of) came back and the first thing I'm doing is deleting two of the strongest pages from one of my favorite verses. Neat.
I want to get rid of the pages for The Nameless Mist and The Unnamed Darkness, both of which are pages that were made by me. I don't need a massive amount of input for this, but I figured I'd make this its own thread as opposed to just posting in the profile deletion thread so I could info-dump and explain why I want to do this.
First off, we know next to nothing about either of these things. Their most direct mention was in Lovecraft's partially tongue-in-cheek family tree, which has its most reliable use in showing that he did indeed view Azathoth as the peak of his pseudo-hierarchy of cosmic beings, and that's about it. Outside of that, there's very little.
Second, it's extremely possible that both of these things are also Yog-Sothoth. While this may sound a bit confusing, it's actually fairly straightforward, as well as something pretty explicitly discussed within Through the Gates of the Silver Key.
"In the face of that awful wonder, the quasi-Carter forgot the horror of destroyed individuality. It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence's whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign—yet in a flash the Carter-facet realised how slight and fractional all these conceptions are."
Every conception of "Yog-Sothoth" is deemed to be "slight and fractional". This is because they are all the ideas of beings who are in their own ways limited trying to find some way to describe something that is all things and that is unlimited. Yog-Sothoth is only referred to as "YOG-SOTHOTH" a single time in the story, and that is as an example of an incomplete idea of it. Every other instance, it's referred to using far more nebulous terms or titles, most often simply called "the BEING" or "ENTITY", specifically because assigning a name to this thing prevents you from referring to it in its entirety. It is extremely possible other nebulous things like the Mist and the Darkness are merely further views on this "thing". Lovecraft did possibly contradict himself a bit, putting Azathoth as the source of everything while at another point stating Yog-Sothoth had no creator, though Through the Gates of the Silver Key also likely rectifies this, directly stating that Yog-Sothoth and the Archetypes are beyond change, causality, and the limits of perspective, which would fit with Lovecraft seemingly having the view of these beings having always existed yet still putting Azathoth at the "head" of the proverbial family.
Furthermore, the Mist and Darkness aren't really characters, nor are they weapons or even places, and unlike Yog, they aren't a key part of the Mythos' cosmology. It's hard to define what they are, aside from ideas. They didn't really become characters until the expanded Mythos, which we do not use for our main profiles, here.
All these things considered, it's likely far easier to just remove them.
I want to get rid of the pages for The Nameless Mist and The Unnamed Darkness, both of which are pages that were made by me. I don't need a massive amount of input for this, but I figured I'd make this its own thread as opposed to just posting in the profile deletion thread so I could info-dump and explain why I want to do this.
First off, we know next to nothing about either of these things. Their most direct mention was in Lovecraft's partially tongue-in-cheek family tree, which has its most reliable use in showing that he did indeed view Azathoth as the peak of his pseudo-hierarchy of cosmic beings, and that's about it. Outside of that, there's very little.
Second, it's extremely possible that both of these things are also Yog-Sothoth. While this may sound a bit confusing, it's actually fairly straightforward, as well as something pretty explicitly discussed within Through the Gates of the Silver Key.
"In the face of that awful wonder, the quasi-Carter forgot the horror of destroyed individuality. It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence's whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign—yet in a flash the Carter-facet realised how slight and fractional all these conceptions are."
Every conception of "Yog-Sothoth" is deemed to be "slight and fractional". This is because they are all the ideas of beings who are in their own ways limited trying to find some way to describe something that is all things and that is unlimited. Yog-Sothoth is only referred to as "YOG-SOTHOTH" a single time in the story, and that is as an example of an incomplete idea of it. Every other instance, it's referred to using far more nebulous terms or titles, most often simply called "the BEING" or "ENTITY", specifically because assigning a name to this thing prevents you from referring to it in its entirety. It is extremely possible other nebulous things like the Mist and the Darkness are merely further views on this "thing". Lovecraft did possibly contradict himself a bit, putting Azathoth as the source of everything while at another point stating Yog-Sothoth had no creator, though Through the Gates of the Silver Key also likely rectifies this, directly stating that Yog-Sothoth and the Archetypes are beyond change, causality, and the limits of perspective, which would fit with Lovecraft seemingly having the view of these beings having always existed yet still putting Azathoth at the "head" of the proverbial family.
Furthermore, the Mist and Darkness aren't really characters, nor are they weapons or even places, and unlike Yog, they aren't a key part of the Mythos' cosmology. It's hard to define what they are, aside from ideas. They didn't really become characters until the expanded Mythos, which we do not use for our main profiles, here.
All these things considered, it's likely far easier to just remove them.
