Delete Chronos(es) [Saint Seiya] Profile

[TheUnshakableOne]

Chronos of Saint Seiya: ND and Cronos of Saint Seiya: Episode G are the exact same character. Their profiles should be merged together.​

Both are the father of Zeus.

Also; Editors statements cannot be made without the Authors permission. Japan is among the countries that have the most strict copyright laws. Arguably more so than the US. A statement like that cannot be done without the Authors permission, and the reason the statements are not in the volume release is NOT because its a "correction" but because it is a collection of chapters compiled into 1 volume. This is so that it keeps a continuous flow of events without interruption. The scan above is the first edition magazine release which has chapter breaks/Chapter transitions. The Volume release does NOT invalidate this statement.

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Kurumada only ever had intentions for 1 Chronos in his series.

The Saint Seiya: Taizen which had heavy involvement from Kurumada gave us a family tree which only shows 1 Chronos.

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The new official website gave us the Kanji for the name of Chronos being
クロノス

クロノス

Cronus, In the most classic and well known version of Greek mythology, Cronus or Kronos was the leader and the youngest of the first generation of Titans, divine descendants of Gaia, the earth, and Uranus, the sky. He overthrew his father and ruled during the mythological Golden Age, until he was overthrown by his own son, Zeus and imprisoned in Tartarus. Cronus was usually depicted with a sickle or scythe, which was also the instrument he used to castrate and depose Uranus, his father.

Source: https://jisho.org/word/クロノス

That is exactly how Kronos in Episode G is portrayed, and that description is associated with the name that is being used with Chronos in Saint Seiya Next Dimension.

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The Hourglass is not the true form of Chronos from ND. It is simply a tool used to control time with. Both Characters are portrayed having the same tool

In Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassins; The power of Chronos is stated to come from the Hourglass.

The Japanese Raw of this scene uses the exact Kanji/Symbols as the official website when describing Chronos here.
Both use
時の神(クロノス)

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When Sealed in Tartarus you can still manifest various forms and aspects. It can be non-corporal in nature or even physical in nature.

Cronos does this in Episode G, and in Next Dimension the God Asclepius does this. So Cronos using his tool without showing himself would not be something unusual.

in Conclusion; Chronos of Saint Seiya Next Dimension, and Kronos of Saint Seiya Episode G are the same character in the franchise. They are not separate; they are not different characters. They are the same exact being/character.

Therefore Chronos of Saint Seiya Next Dimension's profile should be deleted and all his information should be given and moved over to Kronos of Saint Seiya Episode G.

Same Description for each other, same name and name kanji in raws, same powers, same origin story, The franchise owner only ever had intentions for 1 chronos.






Essentially; Merge these 2 characters together.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I'll be busy all week and stuff so i'll reply when i have time. My life isn't going to relax any time soon so my posting times will be inconsistent.

the title is click bait

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems fine

 

[StekFence]

Nice clickbait, agreed

 

[Confluctor]

Sure

 

[Armorchompy]

idk verse but seems reasonable

 

[Hasty12345]

Agreed

 

[Elizhaa]

The proposals seem fine.

 

[ByAsura]

Seems fine.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Okay.. this has been opened for a while now and it seems 5 staff members and 2 people who frequent SS threads and discussions to agree

It looks like both profiles lack justifications for most of their abilities. is it fine if i add justifications in while moving stuff from Chronos to Kronos?

i'll also create 2 tabs for better readability. 1 tab for each key; as in Next Dimension Kronos is sealed again but through a different means.

Once that question is answered i'll let someone know when im done to close the thread and delete chronos's profile.

 

[KLOL506]

Heh, Kratos gets merged and now Cronos. The irony is palpable.

Seems fine at a glance, unless the experts take issue.

 

[Rabbit2002]

agree

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The quick answer is "no".

Chronos from Nex Dimension and Kronos from Episode G are two completely different gods and it is literally said in Assasin that the Titans ended up trapped in the depths of the Tartarus after the battle with the Saints and these gods cannot return.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The quick answer is "no".

Chronos from Nex Dimension and Kronos from Episode G are two completely different gods and it is literally said in Assasin that the Titans ended up trapped in the depths of the Tartarus after the battle with the Saints and these gods cannot return.

literally everything i posted in the OP debunks this.

also You mean Requieum not assassins, and Requieum is connected to Assassins

 

[Hasty12345]

The quick answer is "no".

Chronos from Nex Dimension and Kronos from Episode G are two completely different gods and it is literally said in Assasin that the Titans ended up trapped in the depths of the Tartarus after the battle with the Saints and these gods cannot return.

Prove it

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

also You mean Requieum not assassins, and Requieum is connected to Assassins

Okada is mentioning a reference to the events of Episode.G in that story.

Also; Editors statements cannot be made without the Authors permission. Japan is among the countries that have the most strict copyright laws. Arguably more so than the US. A statement like that cannot be done without the Authors permission, and the reason the statements are not in the volume release is NOT because its a "correction" but because it is a collection of chapters compiled into 1 volume. This is so that it keeps a continuous flow of events without interruption. The scan above is the first edition magazine release which has chapter breaks/Chapter transitions. The Volume release does NOT invalidate this statement.

It is a description of the editor who got confused by the name. Kurumada even removed this mention in the volume version, the editor's notes are not important to the story.

Kurumada only ever had intentions for 1 Chronos in his series.

The Saint Seiya: Taizen which had heavy involvement from Kurumada gave us a family tree which only shows 1 Chronos.

Kurumada indicates something completely different in an interview after this work, where he clearly states that for him the parents of all gods are Gaia or Chronos, therefore, we are talking about a primordial version of this god who is the father of all gods.

That part of Taizen is not written by Kurumada and it is only a reference to Greek mythology, they even put the sources of the books where they got that information at the end of that section.

The new official website gave us the Kanji for the name of Chronos being
クロノス

That is exactly how Kronos in Episode G is portrayed, and that description is associated with the name that is being used with Chronos in Saint Seiya Next Dimension.

One detail in this part, Chronos primordial god and Cronos titan are spelled the same way in Japanese (クロノス).

• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス_(時間の神)

The Hourglass is not the true form of Chronos from ND. It is simply a tool used to control time with. Both Characters are portrayed having the same tool

The true form of Chronos is a portal or lake on Olympus, this god does not have a form like the other gods, even Athena describes him as a formless god. And Chronos does not use a clock to control time, in fact he does not use any object for this.

The clock was only created by Chronos to show Athena how much time she has before the portal closes. This Chronos does not need any clock to control the time, because his body is the time portal in this universe.

Spoiler

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Only the Cronos that appears in Episode.G needs a clock to control time.

Also, even the clocks of these gods have different names in these manga.

Cronos does this in Episode G, and in Next Dimension the God Asclepius does this. So Cronos using his tool without showing himself would not be something unusual.

These are the souls of these beings, who can manifest themselves in the world, something completely different from Chronos, who has no physical form and is unlike any other being in this story.

Asclepius is not a god, he is just a mortal, even this is described in the manga.

 

[Hasty12345]

I see a lot of claims with no evidence…

but we typically gotta wait another 20 minutes for him to edit it in….

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Okada is mentioning a reference to the events of Episode.G in that story.

So your admitting your past claims are wrong then?

It is a description of the editor who got confused by the name. Kurumada even removed this mention in the volume version, the editor's notes are not important to the story.

Wrong, that would be an illegal edit by copyright law and Kuru would have reason to Sue, and the publishing company would have to fire an editor. As i have already explained in the OP. I also explained why its not present in the Volume Release which doesn't invalidate the statement. Please prove how a native Japanese speaker will confuse the names?

That part of Taizen is not written by Kurumada and it is only a reference to Greek mythology, they even put the sources of the books where they got that information at the end of that section.

So your saying the taizen is non-canon by this? Also a contradicitons by your past statements. Also again, Kuru is admitting he is only aware of 1 Chronos/Kronos in the Greek Mythology, and Kuru also talks about how indepth he went into researching Greek Mythology to come to these kinds of conclusions. So the Taizen using only Kronos/Chronos/Cronos means their only aware of 1 God. And them putting sources shows how much research they did. Thus your point is debunked.

If they were aware of another Chronos they would have put it down and would have mentioned it.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

So your admitting your past claims are wrong then?

I think you should have understood by now that Kurumada is not writing this manga and that Okada says that Requiem is the last chapter of the Episode.G Saga. Okada himself mentions in Requiem the events of Episode.G with the return of Pontus, where he says that the Titans ended up trapped in the depths of the Tartarus and it is also said that they will not be able to return from that place.

Wrong, that would be an illegal edit by copyright law and Kuru would have reason to Sue, and the publishing company would have to fire an editor. As i have already explained in the OP. I also explained why its not present in the Volume Release which doesn't invalidate the statement. Please prove how a native Japanese speaker will confuse the names?

The editor writes that note, it is not something written by the author and that is why they have some mistakes that are later corrected, and even those notes are eliminated in the volume, which is the definitive version of the story. Even Kurumada explained in an interview the problems he has had with the editors in his work as a mangaka, since they change or try to correct the name of some techniques, and then he had to correct this in the volumes.

The definitive version of the story says nothing of this.

So your saying the taizen is non-canon by this? Also a contradicitons by your past statements. Also again, Kuru is admitting he is only aware of 1 Chronos/Kronos in the Greek Mythology, and Kuru also talks about how indepth he went into researching Greek Mythology to come to these kinds of conclusions. So the Taizen using only Kronos/Chronos/Cronos means their only aware of 1 God. And them putting sources shows how much research they did.

No, but that part is not written by Kurumada and it is not information provided by him either, since it is information obtained from mythology (they even mention the sources and books where they got the information from that section of the Taizen), and this universe is not Greek mythology.

Kurumada literally describes Chronos and Gaia as primordial gods and fathers of all others.

Entrevista a Masami Kurumada en la "Anime Land" #97 (2003)

Entrevista realizada por Pierre Giner para la revista "Anime Land" #97, perteneciente al mes de diciembre de 2003.

www.ssnextdimension.com

¿Entonces no habrá Tenkai-hen, protagonizado por nuestros Santos en el reino de Zeus, para un gran final?
Zeus no debería haber sido la saga final de Saint Seiya. En el camino, yo quería terminar con los dioses primordiales Gaia y Chronos, padres de todos los demás. Pero volveré a dibujar pronto a Seiya, para la ocasión de la salida de la nueva película, en febrero próximo. Se trata de una pequeña historia, de una decena de páginas. Creo que saldrá poco antes del estreno del largometraje. Yo actualmente me encuentro desarrollando los villanos del film.

Kurumada information >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A source based on Greek mythology.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I think you should have understood by now that Kurumada is not writing this manga and that Okada says that Requiem is the last chapter of the Episode.G Saga. Okada himself mentions in Requiem the events of Episode.G with the return of Pontus, where he says that the Titans ended up trapped in the depths of the Tartarus and it is also said that they will not be able to return from that place.

Your point here is irrelevant as i already explained in the OP.

Also all Mangas are supervised by Kurumada. Just like Santia sho, which even you accept as canon, the story process was submitted to Kurumada for approval.

This seems suspiciously odd to me. He does this with all the "spin-offs" but yet you nitpick all of them but accept Sho as not a seperate canon

https://vsbattles.com/threads/saintia-sho-is-canon-with-the-original-work-original-manga-of-saint-seiya.84520/

if your going to argue separate the canons then you should take it somewhere else. This is getting absurd at this point. you come to a thread to argue things that aren't accepted and your told to stop derailing, and make your own CRT but you refuse too.

GA, GR, G, and ND are the same timeline and continuity

The editor writes that note, it is not something written by the author and that is why they have some mistakes that are later corrected, and even those notes are eliminated in the volume, which is the definitive version of the story.

Explain how this is legal please? Especially with a country that has the strictest copyright laws in the world.

Even Kurumada explained in an interview the problems he has had with the editors in his work as a mangaka, since they change or try to correct the name of some techniques, and then he had to correct this in the volumes.

Your going to have to provide proof here because you love to take things out of context, and create a whole new context with headconnon.

The definitive version of the story says nothing of this.

already explained why this is in the OP. You have not debunked this at all.

No, but that part is not written by Kurumada and it is not his information either, since it is information obtained from mythology (they even mention the sources and books where they got the information of that section of the Taizen), and this universe is not Greek mythology.

Do you even know what your saying here? Your saying Kurumada didn't research Mythology at all... He has a lot of statements in interviews about how much he researched to get details right.

Also your saying Taizen is non-canon which contradicts statements you have had in the past.

Here

https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/post-4294941

Here

https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/page-11#post-4294935

and

Here

https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/page-7#post-4233365

So which is it, bud?

¿Entonces no habrá Tenkai-hen, protagonizado por nuestros Santos en el reino de Zeus, para un gran final?
Zeus no debería haber sido la saga final de Saint Seiya. En el camino, yo quería terminar con los dioses primordiales Gaia y Chronos, padres de todos los demás. Pero volveré a dibujar pronto a Seiya, para la ocasión de la salida de la nueva película, en febrero próximo. Se trata de una pequeña historia, de una decena de páginas. Creo que saldrá poco antes del estreno del largometraje. Yo actualmente me encuentro desarrollando los villanos del film

Word of god is a case by case scenario and is disregarded when contradicted within the story. Also Kurumada is speaking out of emotion of how furious he is here.

Taizen, ND, G and GR contradict this statement.

Also this quote is surprisingly vague. its calling Gaia a primordial not chronos on top of that "Father of all" is very vague asf because Kronos did father a lot of childeren.

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To make matters worse for you argument. I just went back and looked at the raws.

The Chronos you are describing has the Kanji of
クロノス (時間の神) is needed and yes it must be presented in that way the parathenese would be furigana. it must be presented in that way. Yet, this combination of kanji appears no where in Saint Seiya.

and looking through ND and G raws. They are both presented as just クロノス because they are the same character.

here are those raws

your bias against the verse has no bounds does it?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

it might be a while before i can reply here. i work tomorrow and going to bed soon.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Your point here is irrelevant as i already explained in the OP.

Also all Mangas are supervised by Kurumada. Just like Santia sho, which even you accept as canon, the story process was submitted to Kurumada for approval.

This seems suspiciously odd to me. He does this with all the "spin-offs" but yet you nitpick all of them but accept Sho as not a seperate canon
https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint...nal-work-original-manga-of-saint-seiya.84520/
if your going to argue separate the canons then you should take it somewhere else. This is getting absurd at this point. you come to a thread to argue things that aren't accepted and your told to stop derailing, and make your own CRT but you refuse too.

GA, GR, G, and ND are the same timeline and continuity

This is not important, it's not like Kurumada doesn't show something different than seen in these manga, for example Kurumada changes the whole escape scene of Aiolos from the Sanctuary it's completely different in Zero and Episode.G.
Zero (Kurumada):

Saint Seiya: Episode Zero Vol.1 Chapter 1: Omen - Manganelo

Read Saint Seiya: Episode Zero Vol.1 Chapter 1: Omen - Backstory of the events taking place before Saint Seiya.

chap.manganelo.com

Saint Seiya: Episode Zero Vol.1 Chapter 2: Battle To The Death - Manganelo

Read Saint Seiya: Episode Zero Vol.1 Chapter 2: Battle to the Death - Backstory of the events taking place before Saint Seiya.

chap.manganelo.com

Saint Seiya: Episode Zero Vol.1 Chapter 3: To Whom I Trust - Manganelo

Read Saint Seiya: Episode Zero Vol.1 Chapter 3: To Whom I Trust - Backstory of the events taking place before Saint Seiya.

chap.manganelo.com

Episode.G:


That is why many of these manga are currently alternative universes with their own version of these gods.

Even the date of the canonical timeline or the main universe itself is different today, because the classic manga begins and ends in 1990, which is the date that Kurumada introduces in the first chapter of Next Dimension.

Explain how this is legal please? Especially with a country that has the strictest copyright laws in the world.

This does not change that the editor's notes are something that Kurumada does not write and he himself has indicated that the editors have changed some words that he then has to correct in the volumes.

Kurumada himself eliminates this note in the volume version, the definitive and canon version of this story.

Your going to have to provide proof here because you love to take things out of context, and create a whole new context with headconnon.

An editor's note is not canon, this is something logical and even this information is eliminated from the volume, where Kurumada never names this god as the father of Zeus. Now place where it is said in a work by Kurumada that this Chronos is the father of Zeus.

Do you even know what your saying here? Your saying Kurumada didn't research Mythology at all... He has a lot of statements in interviews about how much he researched to get details right.

Also your saying Taizen is non-canon which contradicts statements you have had in the past.

Here
https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/post-4294941
Here
https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/page-11#post-4294935
and

Here
https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/page-7#post-4233365
So which is it, bud?


Word of god is a case by case scenario and is disregarded when contradicted within the story. Also Kurumada is speaking out of emotion of how furious he is here.

Taizen, ND, G and GR contradict this statement.

The word of god literally is indicating that Chronos and Gaia are primordial and the fathers of all gods from their point of view.

There is nothing in the manga written by Kurumada that contradicts this.

Next Dimension does not contradict anything, because Kurumada himself eliminates that note in his canon version of the story, which is the volume.

The Taizen also does not contradict anything in this manga, because that section is literally a description of Greek mythology (the chapter or that part of the Taizen is named as an Overview of Greek mythology), not a description for this manga or universe by Kurumada, they even put the sources of the information at the end of this section.

I have explained this to you before.

• https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/page-9#post-4263466

To make matters worse for you argument. I just went back and looked at the raws.

The Chronos you are describing has the Kanji of
クロノス (時間の神) is needed and yes it must be presented in that way the parathenese would be furigana. it must be presented in that way. Yet, this combination of kanji appears no where in Saint Seiya.

and looking through ND and G raws. They are both presented as just クロノス because they are the same character.

here are those raws

Chronos primordial god and Chronos titan are written the same way in Japanese (クロノス).

• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス_(時間の神)

Kurumada is describing the primordial Chronos in his story, something he makes clear in the interview posted about the future of this franchise and the sequel he was planning for this manga.

Even in the two manga the name of the clock of these gods is different.

Next Dimension - It is named as "Star Hourglass" (星時計 [ほしどけい]), and it is useless, it is just a clock that the god created to indicate the time that Athena has in the past.

Spoiler

Episode.G - It is named as "Adamas Psammos" (金剛石乃砂 [アダマスプサンモス]), and this clock is used to control time by the Titan.

Spoiler

There is also the "Hourglass of the Apocalypse (Horloge de l'Apocalypse)", named in the new work (Bande Dessinée) of this franchise, which serves to control time and the Chronos warriors will look for it to change history.

Saint Seiya BD

Chronos, le Dieu du Temps, veut devenir le 13e Dieu Primordial de l'Olympe, au même titre qu'Hadès, Poséidon, Athéna et les autres. Pour cela, il a besoin de construire l'Horloge de l'Apocalypse qui lui permettra de changer à sa guise le passé, le présent et le futur. Prudent, le Dieu du Temps...

www.kana.fr

Pour cela, il a besoin de construire l'Horloge de l'Apocalypse qui lui permettra de changer à sa guise le passé, le présent et le futur.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

it might be a while before i can reply here. i work tomorrow and going to bed soon.

I'll respond at a later time to lancelot

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

First section im not even going to respond too. its completely irrelevant.

That is why many of these manga are currently alternative universes with their own version of these gods.

There was never a crt on this, and even matt before we were on the wiki treated the profiles as if there in a single universe. Make a CRT. This topic is derailing now.

Even the date of the canonical timeline or the main universe itself is different today, because the classic manga begins and ends in 1990, which is the date that Kurumada introduces in the first chapter of Next Dimension.

irrelevant

An editor's note is not canon, this is something logical and even this information is eliminated from the volume, where Kurumada never names this god as the father of Zeus. Now place where it is said in a work by Kurumada that this Chronos is the father of Zeus.

you have yet to prove how this is legal in Japan to do without Kurumadas permission to HIS OWN WRITTEN MANGA that he's doing himself personally.

There is no way to contradict this and Kurumada has never described anything different in his manga.

You literally just described something he changed between classic and ND....

Next Dimension does not contradict anything, because Kurumada himself eliminates that note in his canon version of the story, which is the volume.

Already explained why this doesn't matter. You continue to cling to something you can't debunk.

The Taizen also does not contradict anything in this manga, because that section is literally a description of Greek mythology, not a description for this manga or universe by Kurumada, they even put the sources of the information at the end of this section.

You just admited the Tree doens't contradict what is shown in the series. You are admitting your wrong here.

Your also saying the tree is usable.

let me tell you. Actual Greek mythology is a lot more detailed than that tree, and that whole section.

Additionally why would anyone waste their time creating a whole section for it not to be used?

Either Kurumada researched Greek Mythology or He didn't. Pick one buddy.

I have explained this to you before.

• https://vsbattles.com/threads/saint-seiya-discussion-thread-iv.68179/page-9#post-4263466

Weird how your statement contradicts the Author statement your using. Yet again you contradict yourself.

Even in the two manga the name of the clock of these gods is different.

This is irrelevant. The name is not important but their portrayal, description, and ability which is consistent and the same for both showing their the same character.

Using the name to say their different is a weak argument, and shows its a desperate attempt to grasp at whatever straw their is to find

Next Dimension - It is named as "", and it is useless, it is just a clock that the god created to indicate the time that Athena has in the past.

The Spacetime continuum they went too.. is located inside the hourglass...

Chronos primordial god and Chronos titan are written the same way in Japanese (クロノス).

クロノス - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス_(時間の神)
Kurumada is describing the primordial Chronos in his story, something he makes clear in the interview posted about the future of this franchise and the sequel he was planning for this manga.

I just asked a native speaker. The (時間の神) at the end of his name is needed to clarify if it is the cosmogony of the sixth century BCE writer Pherekydes of Syros's Chronos

Game - set - match - done.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

There was never a crt on this, and even matt before we were on the wiki treated the profiles as if there in a single universe. Make a CRT. This topic is derailing now.

This does not need a new crt, because this only indicates the difference that exists between kurumada's actual works and what is described in the works of other authors, something that is clear based on what is shown, where literally Kurumada completely contradicts what is shown in that scene of Episode.G. So the information from other authors does not take precedence over the information provided by Kurumada himself, because he is not interested in what is written in those works when he makes the new works for his manga.

you have yet to prove how this is legal in Japan to do without Kurumadas permission to HIS OWN WRITTEN MANGA that he's doing himself personally.

This is just a note from the publisher, something that happens in all manga, because the editors add those notes in the chapters of the magazine, but this is not important for the author, because he doesn't write that and literally removes it completely in the volume version, the definitive version of a manga.

You literally just described something he changed between classic and ND....

No, I literally indicate how Kurumada is not interested in what was shown in Episode.G for his story. Kuruada himself indicates in that interview what his plans are for the future sequel of this manga that was about to begin, and how from his point of view the primordial gods Chronos and Gaia are the fathers of all gods. Kurumada confirms that he planned to introduce Chronos and Gaia in the next sequel, something he did with Chronos, who was introduced in the first chapters of Next Dimension.

Already explained why this doesn't matter. You continue to cling to something you can't debunk.

Post a single scene where Kurumada describes that within his story.

You just admited the Tree doens't contradict what is shown in the series. You are admitting your wrong here.

Your also saying the tree is usable.

let me tell you. Actual Greek mythology is a lot more detailed than that tree, and that whole section.

Additionally why would anyone waste their time creating a whole section for it not to be used?

Either Kurumada researched Greek Mythology or He didn't. Pick one buddy.

Literally it is said that this section is only an Overview of Greek Mythology, a description for the reader to learn about mythology.

But Kurumada didn't write any of that, even this is just an addition from Seiya Project, the team that wrote this guide.

Kurumada's knowledge of Greek mythology is quite basic, that's why he preferred to create the Underworld based on the Divine Comedy and Hades is more based on Lucifer than on the mythological Hades.

Weird how your statement contradicts the Author statement your using. Yet again you contradict yourself.

It does not contradict anything, on the contrary Kurumada in an interview after this work, therefore it is a new information that the author thought to use for the future sequel of this manga, indicates something different and clearly explains that it is about Chronos the primordial god of time.

This is irrelevant. The name is not important but their portrayal, description, and ability which is consistent and the same for both showing their the same character.

Using the name to say their different is a weak argument, and shows its a desperate attempt to grasp at whatever straw their is to find

This is important, because they are literally described as different clocks and even the authors use different names for these watches, so they are not the same and this is something that the author makes very clear in these stories. Even the new spin-off that Kurumada has approved for this franchise mentions a different clock for Chronos.

Now I just see that you are running out of arguments to debate, because this confirms that they are not the same watch and they are not the same god in any way.

The Spacetime continuum they went too.. is located inside the hourglass...

It literally indicates the nebula is the portal and only mentions where that portal is located.

The nebulae are present in the body of Chronos even before the appearance of that clock, which is why it is named as the portal to space and time on Earth by Hecate herself.

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Nowhere does it indicate that she uses the clock to control time, it even only indicates that the clock serves to show the time Athena has in the past before the portal closes.

I just asked a native speaker. The (時間の神) at the end of his name is needed to clarify if it is the cosmogony of the sixth century BCE writer Pherekydes of Syros's Chronos

Game - set - match - done.

No, none of them give an explanation and literally tell you that the context is important, and in this case Kurumada's context indicates that he is talking about Chronos the god of time, not the titan, even he himself indicates it in an interview, where he literally names this god as primordial and the father of all gods.

If we are talking about a spin-off that is not written by this author, even in TLC, the author of this manga writes the name of this god as Khronos, so even for her he is a different god than Titan, that's why she doesn't name him as Kronos.

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If you want to use spin-off information so badly, even over the Word of God/Kurumada himself, the creator of this franchise and the main author who decides what is the canon information of his manga. There you have a spin-off that literally names this god as Khronos.

Just admit that you're wrong.

 

[Executor_N0]

Chronos primordial god and Chronos titan are written the same way in Japanese (クロノス).

• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/クロノス_(時間の神)

This is right, the way that can be used to identify the two by name would be their greek names. Chronos is Χρόνος and Cronos is Κρόνος. I do remember when I read Episode G that they did use Κρόνος in a scene, can't remember exactly which one (This seem to be one of them). I wonder if Χρόνος was used somewhere in ND

 

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This does not need a new crt, because this only indicates the difference that exists between kurumada's actual works and what is described in the works of other authors, something that is clear based on what is shown, where literally Kurumada completely contradicts what is shown in that scene of Episode.G. So the information from other authors does not take precedence over the information provided by Kurumada himself, because he is not interested in what is written in those works when he makes the new works for his manga.

Your derailing with canocity talks again for the 100th time. This stance and opinion is something not accepted on the wiki.

This is just a note from the publisher, something that happens in all manga, because the editors add those notes in the chapters of the magazine, but this is not important for the author, because he doesn't write that and literally removes it completely in the volume version, the definitive version of a manga.

Again for the 1 millionth time. They need permission from the Author to put it there or it becomes an illegal edit and he can take them to court over it which never happened.

No, I literally indicate how Kurumada is not interested in what was shown in Episode.G for his story.

WRONG, there is plenty of interview statements that prove this wrong. But that would be derailing because again you are going off into canoncity talks

Kuruada himself indicates in that interview what his plans are for the future sequel of this manga that was about to begin, and how from his point of view the primordial gods Chronos and Gaia are the fathers of all gods. Kurumada confirms that he planned to introduce Chronos and Gaia in the next sequel, something he did with Chronos, who was introduced in the first chapters of Next Dimension.

Yet this gets contradicted in the series because Gaia along is the mother of all Gods after her and Abzu is the Father of all gods before Gaia.

Post a single scene where Kurumada describes that within his story.

Burden of proof is on you to prove how an editor can legally put a statement in the manga without the Authors consent

Literally it is said that this section is only an Overview of Greek Mythology, a description for the reader to learn about mythology.

But Kurumada didn't write any of that, even this is just an addition from Seiya Project, the team that wrote this guide.

Kurumada's knowledge of Greek mythology is quite basic, that's why he preferred to create the Underworld based on the Divine Comedy and Hades is more based on Lucifer than on the mythological Hades.

your again contradicting your own statements as I have already pointed out.

It does not contradict anything, on the contrary Kurumada in an interview after this work, therefore it is a new information that the author thought to use for the future sequel of this manga, indicates something different and clearly explains that it is about Chronos the primordial god of time.

you only called Gaia a primordial God

This is important, because they are literally described as different clocks and even the authors use different names for these watches, so they are not the same and this is something that the author makes very clear in these stories. Even the new spin-off that Kurumada has approved for this franchise mentions a different clock for Chronos.

I don't think your getting it. Their functions and portrayal are the same. Names are unimportant.

It literally indicates the nebula is the portal and only mentions where that portal is located.

The nebulae are present in the body of Chronos even before the appearance of that clock, which is why it is named as the portal to space and time on Earth by Hecate herself.
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Nowhere does it indicate that she uses the clock to control time, it even only indicates that the clock serves to show the time Athena has in the past before the portal closes.

1.) I am pointing out that its not useless and your misunderstanding it

2.) Its literally stated to have Nubelas/Spacetime continuums inside of it.

3.) GA raw that i included in the OP uses the same Kanji for Kronos as the official Website and it even says the Hourglass is the source of his power.

No, none of them give an explanation and literally tell you that the context is important, and in this case Kurumada's context indicates that he is talking about Chronos the god of time, not the titan, even he himself indicates it in an interview, where he literally names this god as primordial and the father of all gods.

1.) HAHAHAHAHAHA You literally only saw that 1 post x D

You didn't even read his reply

"so the (時間の神) at the end of his name doesn't matter or make any distinction between the 2?" - Me

"No it does, obviously. But you can’t make a difference between クロノス　and クロノス without it" -
machi_ballroom

"the (時間の神) at the end of his name IS the context you need" -
retired-penguin

2.) Even if we use Context. You have to PROVE Chronos IS the CONCEPT of Time.

If we are talking about a spin-off that is not written by this author, even in TLC, the author of this manga writes the name of this god as Khronos, so even for her he is a different god than Titan, that's why she doesn't name him as Kronos.

So your going to say LC is canon, and not seperate? which it is canon and nothing different about it at all between it and the classic. this is very different than your past statements.

If you want to use spin-off information so badly, even over the Word of God/Kurumada himself, the creator of this franchise and the main author who decides what is the canon information of his manga. There you have a spin-off that literally names this god as Khronos.

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. You keep doing this and it has to stop. You do this every Saint Seiya CRT. Everything is cross-scalable and canon. Accept it or move
on.

This is right, the way that can be used to identify the two by name would be their greek names. Chronos is Χρόνος and Cronos is Κρόνος. I do remember when I read Episode G that they did use Κρόνος in a scene, can't remember exactly which one (This seem to be one of them). I wonder if Χρόνος was used somewhere in ND

Native Japanese speakers are telling me there is a way to distinguish them by name without the need of context, but because its fiction. context does take precedence over the name itself.