Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

[TheUnshakableOne]

idk

According to Episode G, Sho, Omega. Its driven by Human possibilities. Humans create infinite possibilities. Sho and Omega reference them as futures.

If the Gods created Mankind then there was a time when the multiverse never existed becausse humans didn't exist thus there is only 1 god

keeping long story short.

 

[Hasty12345]

It only destroys the crack that Iapetos created and it is never said how big that thing is. Starlight Extinction in that scene is not bigger than the tower of Mu, and Iapetos' best feat in that scene was to split the tower of Mu.

How you can sit there and spew BS like that, but then think Classic has better feats is a joke.

 

[StekFence]

How you can sit there and spew BS like that, but then think Classic has better feats is a joke.

In terms of feat, classic is pretty tame to my knowledge. Top tiers like Poseidon have stuff like Enveloping the universe, or Hades creating the whatever, but u can find pretty good statements in it as well

 

[Hasty12345]

In terms of feat, classic is pretty tame to my knowledge. Top tiers like Poseidon have stuff like Enveloping the universe, or Hades creating the whatever, but u can find pretty good statements in it as well

Iapetos states that Mu made his dimension vanish. There’s no mention of Mu destroying “a crack”, that’s pure head canon. Not to mention it’s consistent With Saga and Aiolia a couple chapters later being stated Galaxy level (Saga didn’t know about Mu’s power, even in Classic Mu’s power is unknown, it’s suspected he rivals Shaka in one statement).

Classic on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING. Not a single star being destroyed, not a single country being destroyed, no planets being destroyed.
Hades moving planets with his mind is not even an AP feat and if it was, I doubt it would be calced higher than planetary.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

How you can sit there and spew BS like that, but then think Classic has better feats is a joke.

Because it has better feats, since one of the most powerful gods in that manga did not even show the power to destroy planet Earth.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Iapetos states that Mu made his dimension vanish. There’s no mention of Mu destroying “a crack”, that’s pure head canon. Not to mention it’s consistent With Saga and Aiolia a couple chapters later being stated Galaxy level (Saga didn’t know about Mu’s power, even in Classic Mu’s power is unknown, it’s suspected he rivals Shaka in one statement).

Classic on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING. Not a single star being destroyed, not a single country being destroyed, no planets being destroyed.
Hades moving planets with his mind is not even an AP feat and if it was, I doubt it would be calced higher than planetary.

Well you do have Kanon's suicide attack against Rhada
Plus Hades creation feats

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Iapetos states that Mu made his dimension vanish. There’s no mention of Mu destroying “a crack”, that’s pure head canon. Not to mention it’s consistent With Saga and Aiolia a couple chapters later being stated Galaxy level (Saga didn’t know about Mu’s power, even in Classic Mu’s power is unknown, it’s suspected he rivals Shaka in one statement).

Classic on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING. Not a single star being destroyed, not a single country being destroyed, no planets being destroyed.
Hades moving planets with his mind is not even an AP feat and if it was, I doubt it would be calced higher than planetary.

The crack he created, a place of unknown size, and the Starlight Extinction doesn't even cover an area larger than the toerre of Mu.Saga only describes that his technique has the power of a supernova, but this is hyperbole, because he never shows that power in the manga, and the description changed in Assassin where it is now not described as galaxy level.

It is an AP feat, because it required energy to do that, and it can be calculated as planet level, a level that no god in Episode.G could reach in the whole manga, because even Zeus never destroyed a planet in that manga.

 

[AlexZiggy]

The crack he created, a place of unknown size, and the Starlight Extinction doesn't even cover an area larger than the toerre of Mu.Saga only describes that his technique has the power of a supernova, a hyperbole, because he never shows that power in the manga, and the description changed in Assassin where it is now not described as galaxy level.

He stated it was galaxy sized

 

[Hasty12345]

Because it has better feats, since one of the most powerful gods in that manga did not even show the power to destroy planet Earth.

Hades didn’t show the power to destroy Earth either, Cronus and Hades had the same goals, both wanted to end life on earth via Greatest Eclipse and Megas what’s it.

Not destroying the earth =\= can’t destroy earth. This is a common trope in fiction

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

He stated it was galaxy sized

It never indicates that it was that size.

 

[Hasty12345]

You’ve clearly never read G Lancelot, it painfully shows.

Zeus couldn’t destroy Earth because all his attempts were stopped by the legendary Bronzes, Seiya amped by a Great God, Athena and Julian Solo. Read the manga.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Hades didn’t show the power to destroy Earth either, Cronus and Hades had the same goals, both wanted to end life on earth via Greatest Eclipse and Megas what’s it.

Not destroying the earth =\= can’t destroy earth. This is a common trope in fiction

Hades' feat can be calculated as at least planet level. Cronus altering time on Earth to extinguish mankind is impossible to calculate.

You’ve clearly never read G Lancelot, it painfully shows.

Zeus couldn’t destroy Earth because all his attempts were stopped by the legendary Bronzes, Seiya amped by a Great God, Athena and Julian Solo. Read the manga.

I read it, and that's why I'm aware of the feats of that manga, although there are really no exploits and only descriptions, because no character affected an area larger than a planet with his powers.

He attacked the Earth on several occasions and never destroyed the place, his best feat was to make a hole of several meters in the ground with one of his attacks. No god in that manga destroyed a single planet the size of Earth, the best feat was just wiping out humanity on one planet and we don't know how long it took him to do that.

 

[AlexZiggy]

It does though
raws

銀河 means galaxy

 

[Hasty12345]

The galaxy level statements by Saga are very much supported by the data book, which makes the feats and statements in the manga very much consistent.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It does though
raws

銀河 means galaxy

does it say "infinitely Expanding Galaxy?" also isn't this just describing how much Cosmo Mu has and not a destruction feat? describing the size of ones cosmo doesnt usually corrolate 1 to 1 with AP iirc.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The galaxy level statements by Saga are very much supported by the data book, which makes the feats and statements in the manga very much consistent.

iirc Taizen says he can disintergrate a galaxy which is sub-atomic feat from what i read on google so 3-B Classic Saga which thats what it should be anyways if calc'ed properly

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The galaxy level statements by Saga are very much supported by the data book, which makes the feats and statements in the manga very much consistent.

He never destroys a galaxy in the manga, and the description changed in Assassin, where he is only described as destroying worlds, not galaxies.

It does though
raws

銀河 means galaxy

It's not the description of the crack that Iapetos created, it's just the description of Mu's cosmos, and it's just a mini galaxy in his hands, even Shaka also creates that in his hands when he attacks. So this is just another hyperbole, because it's not a real galaxy, and it's just a representation of the cosmos.

 

[Hasty12345]

iirc Taizen says he can disintergrate a galaxy which is sub-atomic feat from what i read on google so 3-B Classic Saga which thats what it should be anyways if calc'ed properly

Well I’m talking about G, this guy is trying to make the 2001 Hypermyth non-canon which will render the Taizen non-canon as well, so Saga’s statements are hyperbole in Classic coz Libra weapons

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Well I’m talking about G, this guy is trying to make the 2001 Hypermyth non-canon which will render the Taizen non-canon as well, so Saga’s statements are hyperbole in Classic coz Libra weapons

I never said that Taizen was not canon.

 

[Hasty12345]

It's not the description of the crack that Iapetos created, it's just the description of Mu's cosmos, and it's just a mini galaxy in his hands, even Shaka also creates that in his hands when he attacks. So this is just another hyperbole, because it's not a real galaxy, and it's just a representation of the cosmos.

Iapetos states Mu made his universe vanish in the raws

 

[Hasty12345]

I never said that Taizen was not canon.

You’re just trying to argue half of it is non-canon but there’s no basis for it

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Iapetos states Mu made his universe vanish in the raws

This is never said in the raws.

You’re just trying to argue half of it is non-canon but there’s no basis for it

I never said that half of it was not canon, I even said that the Taizen is a good source of information, and literally the Taizen does not describe anything of what you say.

 

[AlexZiggy]

does it say "infinitely Expanding Galaxy?" also isn't this just describing how much Cosmo Mu has and not a destruction feat? describing the size of ones cosmo doesnt usually corrolate 1 to 1 with AP iirc.

Honestly not sure, I only checked those particular kanji to verify what had been posted somewhere else. I'll try to see what the rest says for context

 

[Hasty12345]

I never said that half of it was not canon, I even said that the Taizen is a good source of information, and literally the Taizen does not describe anything of what you say.

You claim the divine will does not exist, yet it’s mentioned in the Taizen

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Honestly not sure, I only checked those particular kanji to verify what had been posted somewhere else. I'll try to see what the rest says for context

i remember the english version saying something like an "infinitley expanding universe" but i still wonder where that game from. an infinitely expanding Galaxy would jsut be freaking weird lmao

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

You claim the divine will does not exist, yet it’s mentioned in the Taizen

It does not exist in the form it is described in the Hypermyth, in the Taizen the divine will is only a description of the soul of the gods.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

You claim the divine will does not exist, yet it’s mentioned in the Taizen

also mentioned in Poseidon arc, hades arc, and i think "Athenas Will" is mentioned once in silver saint arc.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It does not exist in the form it is described in the Hypermyth, in the Taizen the divine will is only a description of the soul of the gods.

There is 0 proof for this from what i read.

Baby Hades soul was compared to a universe though interesting enough. no.. compared is the wrong word. it IS a univese.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

also mentioned in Poseidon arc, hades arc, and i think "Athenas Will" is mentioned once in silver saint arc.

It is just a reference to the soul of the gods, this is even described in the Taizen, when it is said that the divine will possesses humans.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It is just a reference to the soul of the gods, this is even described in the Taizen, when it is said that the divine will possesses humans.

Proof? Please provide a direct statement and not something you assume based off a vague passage

 

[Hasty12345]

What in the head canon

 

[AlexZiggy]

i remember the english version saying something like an "infinitley expanding universe" but i still wonder where that game from. an infinitely expanding Galaxy would jsut be freaking weird lmao

The Portuguese version describes it as an "infinitely expanding cosmo"

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Proof? Please provide a direct statement and not something you assume

Literally the Taizen version is different.

The spirits or the will of the gods was born with the big bang and then crossed the universe until it reached Earth, where humans were born in the image of the gods, and in time some humans harbored the spirit of the gods. There was never any mention of them awakening a great will or any such nonsense.

In Taizen it is described that this is only a legend.

This confirms that they never read Taizen.

 

[Hasty12345]

Literally the Taizen version is different.

The spirits or the will of the gods was born with the big bang and then crossed the universe until it reached Earth, where humans were born in the likeness of the gods, and some humans harbored the spirit of the gods. There was never any mention of them awakening a great will or any such nonsense.

This confirms that they never read Taizen.

Segundo as lendas dos deuses na mitologia, depois que o universo nasceu do Big Bang, a vontade dos deuses percorreu todo o universo, jorrou sobre a Terra e fez nascer a vida. A vida evoluiUe tornou-se o "ser humano" a imagem de Deus.
Com o decorrer dos tempos, começaram a surgir seres humanos que abrigavam os espiritos dos deuses, ampliando cada vez mais o seu poder sobre a terra. Zeus passou a

According to the legends of the gods in mythology, after the universe was born from the Big Bang, the will of the gods traveled throughout the universe, gushed over the Earth and gave birth to life. Life evolved that the "human being" became the image of God.
With the passage of time, human beings began to emerge that harbored the spirits of the gods, increasing more and more their power over the earth. Zeus went on to

 

[AlexZiggy]

The spirit of the gods =\= the will of the gods, your scan does not state that. Furthermore, it only says that the will of the gods washed over the universe after the Big Bang, not that it was born with it

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Literally the Taizen version is different.

The spirits or the will of the gods was born with the big bang and then crossed the universe until it reached Earth, where humans were born in the likeness of the gods, and some humans harbored the spirit of the gods. There was never any mention of them awakening a great will or any such nonsense.

This confirms that they never read Taizen.

this proves your a liar, a manipulator, you gaslight, and decieve. you twist context and spread bullshit

Segundo as lendas dos deuses na mitologia, depois que o universo nasceu do Big Bang, a vontade dos deuses percorreu todo o universo, jorrou sobre a Terra e fez nascer a vida. A vida evoluiUe tornou-se o "ser humano" a imagem de Deus. Com o decorrer dos tempos, começaram a surgir seres humanos que abrigavam os espiritos dos deuses, ampliando cada vez mais o seu poder sobre a terra. Zeus passou a

According to the legends of the gods in mythology, after the universe was born from the Big Bang, the will of the gods traveled throughout the universe, gushed over the Earth and gave birth to life. Life evolved that the "human being" became the image of God. With the passage of time, human beings began to emerge that harbored the spirits of the gods, increasing more and more their power over the earth. Zeus went on to

IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE SOUL OR SPIRIT

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Gigantanmachie supports this



Antes que as próprias pessoas se dessem conta, foram surgindo aqueles que traziam em seus corpos as Vontades dos Deuses. Eram receptáculos de suas Almas Imortais, seus Profetas, ou os próprios Deuses adquirindo existência terrena. Quando surgiam essas encarnações dos Deuses, elas procuravam guiar o "Mundo" de acordo com suas vontades, confrontando-se e lutando entre si. Apareceram então guerreiros para proteger os Deuses, também escolhidos pelas constelações. Havia também Atena, e os Sagrados Guerreiros de Atena. O embate mortal entre os Deuses pela supremacia no Mundo se estendeu por espaços temporais inconcebíveis para a mente humana. Nos campos de batalha, Atena estava sempre cercada de jovens guerreiros que vinham de todos os cantos da Terra para protegê-la. Eram jovens verdadeiramente dotados de Coragem e Força. Seus golpes cortavam o ar, seus chutes rachavam o solo. Esses Guerreiros da Esperança surgiam sempre que o Mal ameaçava se espalhar pelo Mundo. Mas seus nomes se perderam no Tempo e são ignorados até mesmo pela Mitologia Grega. Esses jovens lendários e esquecidos... Os agrados Cavaleiros de Atena.

Before people even realized it, those who carried the Will of the Gods in their bodies were emerging. They were receptacles for their Immortal Souls, their Prophets, or the Gods themselves taking on earthly existence. When these incarnations of the Gods arose, they sought to guide the "World" according to their will, confronting and fighting with each other. Warriors then appeared to protect the Gods, also chosen by the constellations. There was also Athena, and the Holy Warriors of Athena. The mortal clash between the Gods for supremacy in the World has extended over time spaces inconceivable for the human mind. On the battlefields, Athena was always surrounded by young warriors who came from all corners of the Earth to protect her. They were young men truly endowed with Courage and Strength. Their blows cut the air, their kicks cracked the ground. These Warriors of Hope arose whenever Evil threatened to spread across the World. But their names have been lost in Time and are ignored even by Greek Mythology. Those legendary and forgotten young men... The well-loved Knights of Athena.

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Hypermyth proves it



Our planet, Earth, watches the terrible disputes between the gods for their domain since time immemorial. These gods were nothing but people who managed to control the "Great Will" of the universe and thanks to that they overcame their human condition. In these mythological times, the heavens and the earth came to be commanded by Zeus; the seas, by Poseidon; and the world of the dead, by Hades. One of these deities was Athena, goddess of war and wisdom, daughter of the greatest of gods, Zeus. The supreme god decides to retire to his kingdom in the heavens and leaves the protection of the planet to the born daughter from your head. With the disappearance of Zeus, many gods returned his ambitions for the land, now under the control of Athena, which they should defeat to achieve their goal of conquest. Since then, fighting for possession of the planet has become a constant. These divine disputes, however, also involved humans. On the battlefield, beside the protective goddess of young people emerged, endowed with strength and courage willing to fight. Since Athena repudiated the use of weapons, these boys used their bodies to fight, being able to cut through the sky and open the earth with your punches and kicks thanks to the energy coming from cosmos, which dwells in every being. Athena gave them protection based on constellations. They stayed known as knights. The battles between the gods continued for centuries, but such events were masked in history and the existence of the knights has passed to be told like a legend. However, the truth is that such warriors continue to exist until today and whenever evil hovers over the Earth, appear alongside Athena to fulfill her eternal mission: protect the goddess and ensure peace in the world.

 

[Hasty12345]

The spirit of the gods =\= the will of the gods, your scan does not state that. Furthermore, it only says that the will of the gods washed over the universe after the Big Bang, not that it was born with it

Are you saying Lancelot intentionally misrepresented his scan?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The Taizen again

A long time ago, in the time of the gods, on the planet there was a terrible dispute between the gods for their dominance. The "gods" we refer to are people who they represent a "greater will or a" divine will ". These guided the others when they expanded their own power. With the passage of time, the Heavens and the Earth became commanded by Zeus; the sea, by Poseidon; and the world of the dead, by Hades. After giving you the responsibility of Earth to his daughter Athena, Zeus goes to heaven. With Athena ruling the Earth, Poseidon and Hades they began to hatch plans to conquer that piece of world. The most insistent attack came from Poseidon, and his Onslaught killed many warriors brave. It didn't take long for young boys to appear to fight in the battlefields. They trained their bodies more beyond human limit until his fists were capable cut the air and split the earth and protected with Cloths. People started calling those boys Santos equipped with Cloths and admired what they did. The wars between the gods continued for centuries but were clouded by the passage of time and even the existence of the Saints happened to be counted hardly like a legend. However, the truth is that the Saints continue existing to this day. Their elevated Cosmoses produce a destructive impact that It crosses the sound barrier, crushing blocks of concrete. They are miraculous beings who know various fighting techniques that surpass the human imagination. All its acts are supervised and commanded by the Sanctuary of Greece that does not submit to any nation, town or organization. The objective and the mission of the Saints are one thing from the age of the gods: protect the goddess Athena and ensure peace on Earth.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Are you saying Lancelot intentionally misrepresented his scan?

Possibly

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The spirit of the gods =\= the will of the gods, your scan does not state that. Furthermore, it only says that the will of the gods washed over the universe after the Big Bang, not that it was born with it

Literally it is described that humans did not awaken a great will, and only harbored the spirit of the gods. This is what I wanted to indicate, that in this work the gods were born as divine beings, something that is described in the manga, where it is said that Hades is the son of Cronus and Rhea (unless we consider that in the manga Hades' parents are not gods).

The Taizen again

A long time ago, in the time of the gods, on the planet there was a terrible dispute between the gods for their dominance. The "gods" we refer to are people who they represent a "greater will or a" divine will ". These guided the others when they expanded their own power. With the passage of time, the Heavens and the Earth became commanded by Zeus; the sea, by Poseidon; and the world of the dead, by Hades. After giving you the responsibility of Earth to his daughter Athena, Zeus goes to heaven. With Athena ruling the Earth, Poseidon and Hades they began to hatch plans to conquer that piece of world. The most insistent attack came from Poseidon, and his Onslaught killed many warriors brave. It didn't take long for young boys to appear to fight in the battlefields. They trained their bodies more beyond human limit until his fists were capable cut the air and split the earth and protected with Cloths. People started calling those boys Santos equipped with Cloths and admired what they did. The wars between the gods continued for centuries but were clouded by the passage of time and even the existence of the Saints happened to be counted hardly like a legend. However, the truth is that the Saints continue existing to this day. Their elevated Cosmoses produce a destructive impact that It crosses the sound barrier, crushing blocks of concrete. They are miraculous beings who know various fighting techniques that surpass the human imagination. All its acts are supervised and commanded by the Sanctuary of Greece that does not submit to any nation, town or organization. The objective and the mission of the Saints are one thing from the age of the gods: protect the goddess Athena and ensure peace on Earth.

In this version it is clearly stated that these gods represent a great will, not that they awakened that will to become gods.