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Deep Sea King Upgrade

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The Ancient King had to wait until the DSK and Subterranean King were dead before he could awaken and take over the world.

The Ancient King is "at least 7-A" while DSK is only "at least 7-B".

However, this imples that the DSK and Subterranean King were strong enough to keep the Ancient King from doing shit.

Input would be appreciated.
 
So wait, if he was asleep what allowed him to know those two where dead and wake up?.
 
He wasn't necessarily asleep. He explicitly states that he only awakened because the DSK and Subterranean King were dead. Which basically means that he was waiting for them to die because he wasn't powerful enough to take over the world with them around.
 
Hmm... Well if their the reason he didn't come up I guess they should be upgraded but I'd like to see what others think as well.
 
1. Ancient King is anime only.

2. This is would lead to scaling a bunch of people into 7-A and further complicating things. And it also implies that Genos and Sonic are stronger than Bang and Flash...
 
@Ryukama

If he only came up because those two died wouldn't that mean they pose a threat to him or is it another reason like they had something that worked on him, was any actual reason stated?. I'm just trying to understand if that's the reason he didn't appear.

Note: Not arguing about your first to things just trying to understand the third.
 
Maybe Sea King is stronger than Ancient King. However that is purely anime only. Nothing in the webcomic or manga, in which case we wouldn't accept.

Also again, scaling Sea King like this is going to bring ridiculous results. Ancient King has his rating because the HA supposedly thinks he's stronger than Bang and Flash (which I find iffy tbh).

Genos can somewhat hold his own slightly against Sea King. Sonic can hold his own against Sea King and defeat him with weapons via WoG. Puri Puri can deal very minor harm to Sea King and survive his blows. So this upgrade attempt will start to scale Genos, Sonic and Puri Puri as stronger than or at least on par with Bang and Flash, which is horrible.
 
Ryukama said:
Also again, scaling Sea King like this is going to bring ridiculous results. Ancient King has his rating because the HA supposedly thinks he's stronger than Bang and Flash (which I find iffy tbh).
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Where does it say that the HA thinks Ancient King is stronger than Bang and Flash?
 
The Ancient King is 7-A because he effortlessly destroyed the mountain he was hibernating in. I watched episode 10 and the HA never says that the Ancient King is stronger than Bang or Flash.

Just because they called in Tatsumaki doesn't mean Ancient King is stronger than Bang or Flash. Read "Tatsumaki's Day Off" which is all about Tatsumaki being called in to take out monsters that most other S-Classes can take care of.
 
A majority of "mountain destroying" feats aren't actually 7-A or even close. It needs to be calculated in order to be such.

I agree Ancient King shouldn't be rated as stronger than most other S-Classes. However that's the only remote reason why he could be 7-A.

IIRC ONE never specified "only pre-rain Sea King." Either way making Sea King 7-A is going to really mess up the scaling.

Like Ever said none of this is relevent because this is pure anime only.
 
In cases where both the manga and anime have similar material that differs slightly, I agree that the manga should be used due to being the main canon. However, in this case, the only "canon" material we have for the Ancient King is the anime so I think it should be perfectly fine to use it in this case.
 
Skytheblue said:
The anime is canon IIRC.
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Anime is secondary canon. We have the manga and webcomic take precedence. If something is only in the anime we don't use it. Either way Sea King has no reason to be 7-A.
 
Skytheblue said:
the only "canon" material we have for the Ancient King is the anime so I think it should be perfectly fine to use it in this case.
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Yeah you can use Ancient King's own feats from the anime since he is anime only. But you can't scale a bunch of canon characters to a noncanon character.
 
Can we calculate Tatsumaki's meteor feat even though it's anime only?

And how do you know that the anime is secondary canon? I always thought the anime wasn't canon at all.
 
Skytheblue said:
Can we calculate Tatsumaki's meteor feat even though it's anime only?
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No. Also anime only downgrades Tatsumaki's High 6-C feat.
 
1. We don't use anime only stuff

2. Nearly rveryone who wants to use anime only stuff is suddenly against it when Tatsumaki downgrade is brought up, which is why I bring it up
 
Cropfist said:
It has no relevance to the other feat though.
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Exactly. The meteor feat is still canon even though it's anime only. It's not like we're cherry picking which feat to use in order to get higher results. There's only one meteor feat for Tatsumaki and it's still technically canon.
 
It brought it up I'm sick of people always going "let's use the anime primarily" until it leads to a downgrade. Either way, the meteor feat is anime only, so it can't be used.
 
And Sea King is not that strong and definitely not Dragon level,pre G4 Genos was able to hurt him with one attack,current Genos who far stronger and faster can stomp him for my opinion,even Zombiman can kill him
 
Ryop said:
Why this downgrade her?
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Anime version of the feat gets 6-C due to different timeframes an such. Not that I agree with using anime instead of manga.
 
^That not downgrade her,this just mean she wasnt full serious,whicn reasonable considering Tat's personality
 
even if you guys win the argument, vs battles wiki won't include it, look i know from experience that they will never use anime feats, even if they do scale or sh*t like that, also maybe he woke up because his comrades died, we don't know why he really woke up, we just know that it had something to do with the deaths of sea king, and the other one, also stop using the meteor feat as some justification, they used it previously, but not anymore Tornado of Terror | VS Battles Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia
 
Ryop said:
^That not downgrade her,this just mean she wasnt full serious,whicn reasonable considering Tat's personality
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What? Yes it is a downgrade. If you want to use the anime version of Tatsumaki's High 6-C feat, then it becomes 6-C. Which means she would get downgraded from High 6-C to 6-C.

This doesn't matter though, since regardless we don't go with the anime.
 
wait so why exactly is it a downgrade, was there less bullets, the ship was smaller, please elaborate i came later and i might be able to help you with the argument ryukama
 
"Anime version of the feat gets 6-C due to different timeframes an such."

Again this doesn't matter. We're not using the anime versions, so she won't get downgraded.
 
ok, thank you. i will explain to ryop why anime isn't used, firstly manga is the source, thus takes highest position, secondly cinematic timing, anime has several types of cinematic timing, this type is the one they used in midnight special when they show the world and species above ours, the time frame is a few minutes, but the event happens in seconds, lastly filler scenes don't really take to the power scale 100% of the time because the author isn't putting the power scale they added into that scene, this is why we see one time abilities and characters with extreme scale
 
What? Yes it is a downgrade. If you want to use the anime version of Tatsumaki's High 6-C feat, then it becomes 6-C. Which means she would get downgraded from High 6-C to 6-C.

This doesn't matter though, since regardless we don't go with the anime.

I still dont really understand your logic,like you said Tat already has High 6-C,another some 6-C feat she did effortlessly and not even with direct use of her power not conflict her tier,there is something that called hold back
 
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