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Read the books of the movies lack orbital bombardments and good capital ship combat
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TheMerchant66 said:Well, unless you support theories such as the asteroids in empire strikes back not being vaporized and being made of something that's not nickel iron, you're going to get triple digit kilotons to double digit megatons going by that. Not to mention the ISDs were being pelted by said asteroids for an unknown but long time frame and asteroids in space move at roughly 30 kilometers per second. Even a 10 meter asteroid which we see hit an ISD and did no damage would yield triple digit kilotons easily.
There is also Slave 1 in episode 2 destroying asteroids and ofc the explosion seen in the last Jedi which has been calculated being gigatons.
Maybe we should look at those scenes and see if we can come to a consensus?
Not when Lucas outright said the EU wasn't a part of his universe. That quote has been posted already.Matthew Schroeder said:The Big Brain Arguments and the claims that the EU was never canon to the films and dismissing any higher wield scene such as the one in the Vader Comic as visual exaggeration is top tier kekking material.
With the direction this thread has gone in, there should be a "Film only" key. The feats in the comics are consistently out-of-scale to the films by orders of magnitude..Qawsedf234 said:The profiles in use (on this site) are Legends EU and the Disney Canon EU. Even under the assumption that the films consider Legends non-canon, the wiki would still include them since there isn't a "Film only" key.
"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, (but) they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe. (...) I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world." - George LucasMatthew Schroeder said:EU is part of the universe, that has always been the case and trying to change everything out of nowhere to downplay Star Wars is silly.
Matthew Schroeder said:Like him raging about the stated 1 Kiloton Wield of the Slave-I's cannons and how it should have "vaporized Obi-Wan!!!" (Instead of, say, Obi Wan being Town level?).
I never said any such thing.Matthew Schroeder said:The fact that you just drop here out of nowhere to advocate for shit like Room level Star Destroyer beams being the acceptable canon (...)
No, it isn't. This discussion (if you read it in it's entirety) devolved into this due to ByAsura's belief that a Rebel fleet (MC-90s and the like) could destroy the entire Death Star One superstructure with turbolasers if it wasn't energy shielded. I pointed out that that would be ridiculous, things escalated, and here we are.Qawsedf234 said:I'm fine with a film only key, it would require some effort however to get everything down rating wise. But in terms of this thread the Death Star is just.... canon to everything. So the argument is sorta moot.
Film Only canon is silly because it would completely ignore stuff like Clone Wars, Rebels and other media which are directly tied to the films, and either Expanded Universe which are both 100% canon to their respective continuities.Qawsedf234 said:I'm fine with a film only key, it would require some effort however to get everything down rating wise. But in terms of this thread the Death Star is just.... canon to everything. So the argument is sorta moot.
Thank you for illustrating my point. Movie Obi-Wan is clearly wall-level, and you're amping him to town level based on things that never, ever occur or are implied in any Lucasfilm creation, and amping Luke over solar system level using the same questionable sources. That's definitely not the kind of practice this wiki should be endorsing if we want to be taken seriously as a VS wiki.Matthew Schroeder said:It's far from the craziest feat in the series. How about Luke Skywalkwer from the Extended Universe being outright stated to have "destructive powers that dwarfed those of the Death Star", and using the Force to reach out to distant stars and form mental connections with them, feeling as they flare and burst and influencing them whilst the narration outright states that the power of his Force shines brighter than those flaring and exploding stars.
I argued it with common sense, revealing a clear and consistent contradiction between Lucasfilm and non-Lucasfilm sources.ByAsura said:@Idazmi You argued it with anti-feats and your own opinions of canon. That's ridiculous.
Rebels is officially canon to Disney, as is the Clone Wars TV series. Unlike the comics, they don't inflate the yields beyond the film canon because they - like the movies - are made by Lucasfilm.Matthew Schroeder said:(...) These "Movie Only" keys are idiotic. And funny enough, you are totally okay with Expanded Universe lore when it fits your narrative (The Rebels bombardment).