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He can summon Tokitoki which will awaken the keysword
could he do it before silver destroys his mind and body via just attacking once?

Trunks can instantly summon the AKS regardless. So it doesn't matter what happenes to the dormant
he can, but not faster than silver just hitting him once

You mean downscale since he needed help to defeat Solaris
directly scale since he can deflect all of solaris' attacks back at him, even the ones that are solaris trowing stuff at him with tk


Trunks lifting strength getd empowered via the AKS. So no, TK is a moot point since 1- AWK already resists TK. 2- AWK can power null the keysword. 3- The Keysword can still project attacks and power null, so TK is useless.
you do know that trunks starts with the dormant keysword here right?
 
Trunks wincons are:
-Power null, Sealing, bfr and time stop via KS.
-Power null, sealing, bfr, time stop but better via AKS.
-Can power null on his own.
-Summoning true form toki toki, chronoa [who can summon xeno goku and Super shenron, xeno goku can also summon Demigra] to power null and hax Silver.
 
could he do it before silver destroys his mind and body via just attacking once?


he can, but not faster than silver just hitting him once


directly scale since he can deflect all of solaris' attacks back at him, even the ones that are solaris trowing stuff at him with tk



you do know that trunks starts with the dormant keysword here right?
Yes, trunks can summon AKS fatser than getting hit. And how can Silver hit trunks if silver is power nulled?
 
Solaris consuming reality was a very slow and eventual process. Meanwhile Mechikabura did it in an instant
It was slow because of Sonic and friends interfering. The spatial distortion they were caught in was causing issues for Solaris. It was stated in the Prima guide that once the spatial distortion collapsed all of existence would be consumed IIRC. Would've been immediate if not for the plot spatial distortion. That said, Super Silver could defeat them with only a third of his usual strength (As it was stated Super Sonic bestowed his power between the three of them), but in this battle it's only Silver using the Emeralds. He's definitely above baseline Immeasurable LS and upscales from Solaris.
 
It's directly implied by Eggman. They said they'd kill Solaris, he said it would do nothing because he would still exist across time. What else would they have needed help for when Silver stated he'd crush Solaris on his own AND overpowered Solaris with a third of Super Sonic's strength?
And in response to Eggman, Silver said he’d destroy it in the past, present, and future all at once. Shadow says they needed Sonic, and the guide says that only Sonic had the power and strength to beat Solaris. Which is why Super Sonic shared his energy with Shadow and Silver (not a third btw since Super Sonic’s energy is infinite).
 
Because Solaris got stopped by the Hedgehog trio in the process of it happening
according to the 30th anniversary encyclopedia it already happened by that point

Depends on how that interacts with resistance to multilayered 4D mindhax
it never showed resistance to this very specific type of mind hax, he is not manipulating his mind, he his physically punching it

Yes, trunks can summon AKS fatser than getting hit.
faster as in, he would take more time to decide to do that before silver attacks even once

And how can Silver hit trunks if silver is power nulled?
the dormant keysword can't null anything that would stop silver from attacking
 
And in response to Eggman, Silver said he’d destroy it in the past, present, and future all at once. Shadow says they needed Sonic, and the guide says that only Sonic had the power and strength to beat Solaris. Which is why Super Sonic shared his energy with Shadow and Silver (not a third btw since Super Sonic’s energy is infinite).
This is fiction. You can have a third of Infinite. If you split your power between three people, that'd be a third. It also seems dishonest to say only Super Sonic has the power to do so when Silver can easily reflect Solaris' own attacks back at Solaris and tank his attacks when not even at his full power. I don't disagree with Super Sonic being the strongest Super, but I don't like acting like they needed three Super Hedgehogs to defeat Solaris because they were too weak to do it by themselves when it's stated even one alone is strong enough to beat him.
 
Trunks wincons are:
-Power null, Sealing, bfr and time stop via KS.
-Power null, sealing, bfr, time stop but better via AKS.
-Can power null on his own.
-Summoning true form toki toki, chronoa [who can summon xeno goku and Super shenron, xeno goku can also summon Demigra] to power null and hax Silver.
And the status effect inducement (stamina reduction which disable's the opponent's abilities and prevents them from acting)
 
This is fiction. You can have a third of Infinite. If you split your power between three people, that'd be a third. It also seems dishonest to say only Super Sonic has the power to do so when Silver can easily reflect Solaris' own attacks back at Solaris and tank his attacks when not even at his full power. I don't disagree with Super Sonic being the strongest Super, but I don't like acting like they needed three Super Hedgehogs to defeat Solaris because they were too weak to do it by themselves when it's stated even one alone is strong enough to beat him.
That implies Super Sonic made himself weaker by sharing his power, which makes no sense. Of course Shadow and Silver are able to fight Solaris because they were enhanced by Super Sonic’s power. Yeah, they can individually harm Solaris so they scale obviously, but it betters the odds to have 3 super forms fight him rather than just one.
 
That implies Super Sonic made himself weaker by sharing his power, which makes no sense. Of course Shadow and Silver are able to fight Solaris because they were enhanced by Super Sonic’s power. Yeah, they can individually harm Solaris so they scale obviously, but it betters the odds to have 3 super forms fight him rather than just one.
It makes complete sense. If you split your power between three people in total (Counting himself), then his power would be divided among the three of them. Yes, and each of them alone would also have the strength to defeat Solaris. So if strength isn't the issue, than why is it cemented in the series that Sonic needed help to defeat Solaris? It can't be strength as Sonic > Super Shadow/Super Silver > Solaris
 
Considering the Chaos Emeralds were also used by Solaris at that point in time, I don't think sharing the energy is required. Seems more the emeralds themselves grant infinite energy
 
Considering the Chaos Emeralds were also used by Solaris, I don't think sharing the energy is required rather than the emeralds themselves giving infinite energy away
The Emeralds can be completely drained of energy. Yes, it has infinite energy, but only infinite energy on a 2-A level. It can't just keep giving away 2-A power forever without running out on energy as demonstrated in Unleashed. Meaning yes, you do need to share the energy of the Emeralds.
 
It makes complete sense. If you split your power between three people in total (Counting himself), then his power would be divided among the three of them. Yes, and each of them alone would also have the strength to defeat Solaris. So if strength isn't the issue, than why is it cemented in the series that Sonic needed help to defeat Solaris? It can't be strength as Sonic > Super Shadow/Super Silver > Solaris
Sharing your energy =/= splitting your power. He’s just giving Shadow and Silver the energy so that they can enter their super states, and since his energy is infinite it doesn’t cost him anything to do so. Solaris isn’t weaker than the super forms, he can be on par or slightly stronger individually but they still scale to him.
 
Sharing your energy =/= splitting your power. He’s just giving Shadow and Silver the energy so that they can enter their super states, and since his energy is infinite it doesn’t cost him anything to do so. Solaris isn’t weaker than the super forms, he can be on par or slightly stronger individually but they still scale to him.
Sharing your energy DOES equate to splitting his power. Sonic has infinite energy, but not an endless amount of infinite energy. If you want to argue sharing energy among others doesn't split the energy, then you'd also need to believe the Emeralds can never be drained of energy despite them being drained of ALL their energy in Unleashed. Yes, the infinite energy can run out, yes, you'd need to then logically share that energy if you have multiple people powering up using it. Super Sonic using the full power of the Emeralds by himself is stronger than Super Sonic could ever be when dividing the energy of the Emeralds equally among three people.

He's NOT on par though. The weakest member damage wise is Silver, and he's already strong enough to easily stop and deflect Solaris' attacks. At BEST he's on par with Silver.
 
Sharing your energy DOES equate to splitting his power. Sonic has infinite energy, but not an endless amount of infinite energy. If you want to argue sharing energy among others doesn't split the energy, then you'd also need to believe the Emeralds can never be drained of energy despite them being drained of ALL their energy in Unleashed. Yes, the infinite energy can run out, yes, you'd need to then logically share that energy if you have multiple people powering up using it. Super Sonic using the full power of the Emeralds by himself is stronger than Super Sonic could ever be when dividing the energy of the Emeralds equally among three people.

He's NOT on par though. The weakest member damage wise is Silver, and he's already strong enough to easily stop and deflect Solaris' attacks. At BEST he's on par with Silver.
No, because the way the Emeralds function is not akin to that of a battery. “Draining” the Emeralds basically shuts them off and their power can be restored just by one’s thoughts.

Solaris can bypass the invulnerability of super forms and harm them with his attacks. If that doesn’t indicate he’s at least on par with them I don’t know what does.
 
show scan please? are we still talking about the stamina thing?
More specifically it is accepted as nulling passive and thought based hax which the stamina recovery definitely is it also has feats of working on the androids who have continuously replenishing stamina
 
More specifically it is accepted as nulling passive
nullying what exactly? i am sorry but i think i lost track of what we are talking about here, which power are you talking about?

and thought based hax which the stamina recovery definitely is
this is not how it works with power null, has it shown to null the specific empowerement that super forms use?

it also has feats of working on the androids who have continuously replenishing stamina
do they replenish their stamina via the same way super forms do?
 
nullying what exactly? i am sorry but i think i lost track of what we are talking about here, which power are you talking about?


this is not how it works with power null, has it shown to null the specific empowerement that super forms use?


do they replenish their stamina via the same way super forms do?
They have infinitely replenishing stamina because of the infinite energy drives in their bodies, the stamina drain also works on beings who have infinite sources of energy such as mechikabura
 
No, because the way the Emeralds function is not akin to that of a battery. “Draining” the Emeralds basically shuts them off and their power can be restored just by one’s thoughts.

Solaris can bypass the invulnerability of super forms and harm them with his attacks. If that doesn’t indicate he’s at least on par with them I don’t know what does.
It's not at all what it's like. They were drained of their energy in Unleashed, and need to be refilled via the Gaia Temples on Earth. They weren't "shut off". If thoughts could restore them, then Sonic wouldn't have needed to bring them TO the Gaia Temples to begin with.

It indicates he's relative. Not on par. Point is, it's implied in the game Sonic needs help to defeat Solaris, and stated he outright does need help in the Prima guide. Strength isn't the issue. It's clearly another factor. It's either his temporal omnipresence, or time constraints. After all, they had to finish him before the spatio-temporal nexus collapsed. I think that's the best argument for why he'd need help.
 
nullying what exactly? i am sorry but i think i lost track of what we are talking about here, which power are you talking about?
My bad for not being clear the stamina drain when complete stuns the afflicted which disables all of their abilities including though based and passive haxes
 
It's not at all what it's like. They were drained of their energy in Unleashed, and need to be refilled via the Gaia Temples on Earth. They weren't "shut off". If thoughts could restore them, then Sonic wouldn't have needed to bring them TO the Gaia Temples to begin with.
In Unleashed that’s true, I’m referring to other instances where the Emeralds were drained such as SA1 and Rush.

It indicates he's relative. Not on par. Point is, it's implied in the game Sonic needs help to defeat Solaris, and stated he outright does need help in the Prima guide. Strength isn't the issue. It's clearly another factor. It's either his temporal omnipresence, or time constraints. After all, they had to finish him before the spatio-temporal nexus collapsed. I think that's the best argument for why he'd need help.
Yeah probably had to stop him before he destroys everything, the guidebook does emphasize on this.
 
In Unleashed that’s true, I’m referring to other instances where the Emeralds were drained such as SA1 and Rush.
So you're conceding to the Emeralds having unlimited Infinite energy (As ridiculous as that sounds). We agree that (as of now), the Emerald can't output Tier 1 energy. Meaning if multiple people use it to reach Tier 2-A, it'd have to be spread out among the three of them. There's no other way around it. Otherwise the Emeralds couldn't be sapped of all their energy. I also don't recall the Emeralds in Rush being drained tbh. Could be my bad memory.
Yeah probably had to stop him before he destroys everything, the guidebook does emphasize on this.
This definitely seems feasible. I suppose that's a fair explanation.
 
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