DEATH BATTLE Rematch (Trunks vs Silver)

[Quantu]

Eternal Time Labyrinth GG?

Edit: sorry, I can't read. Dormant not Awakened Keysword smh

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Xeno Trunks FRA if this isn't a mismatch

 

[TheGreatBanana]

it is kinda, since it shows that silver's causality manipulation is potent enough to affect even people with multiple acausalities, so it should be potent enough to not be nulled, no?


archie sonic levels of bullshit fr, when dbh gets low 1-C i will trow archie at them and let the bullshit explodes


silver is faster here


physical mind attacking stuff + speed amp to hit trunks with it, there is also some paralisis stuff, but i am sure the ks nulls it somehow


well, how much in character is that for trunks to use it? does he do it early on?

1- i mean so does fate and causality hax in dbh. The diffrence is that aca3 doesn't grant resistance to those. So while they might have more acausality, it doesn't mean its more potent. But I'll agree to disagree.
2- Two goats fighting against each other [Amy and mister satan stomp both verses anyway.
3- Uh no, he isn't. How much fatser he is than baseline immeasurable speed?
4- i see, well the keysword resistance towards mind manip could potentially deal with mind destruction, if not then power null gg.
5- If the battle is getting tence or too much, he will summon.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Wait, speed is equalized but Trunks has a VASTLY higher scaling chain and an otherwise slower character's speed amp isn't valid in speed equalized matches meanwhile Trunks has his own stat amping

This is starting to look like a mismatch

 

[Omegabronic]

Wait, speed is equalized but Trunks has a VASTLY higher scaling chain and an otherwise slower character's speed amp isn't valid in speed equalized matches meanwhile Trunks has his own stat amping

This is starting to look like a mismatch

this is only the case if it is a speedblitz amp, this isn't, plus what makes trunks faster anyway?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

this is only the case if it is a speedblitz amp

8x is a speed blitz amp lol

plus what makes trunks faster anyway?

Scaling chain. He's already above baseline in base, and SSG makes him astronomically higher than 50x that

 

[Omegabronic]

1- i mean so does fate and causality hax in dbh. The diffrence is that aca3 doesn't grant resistance to those. So while they might have more acausality, it doesn't mean its more potent. But I'll agree to disagree.

from what i see it only nulls causality manip that works on acausal 4 and not 3, but okay i guess i agree to disagree then

2- Two goats fighting against each other [Amy and mister satan stomp both verses anyway.

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3- Uh no, he isn't. How much fatser he is than baseline immeasurable speed?

firstly i need to know, how much faster is trunks then baseline?

4- i see, well the keysword resistance towards mind manip could potentially deal with mind destruction, if not then power null gg.

i mean, can it null this very specific type of mind manip? like, it isn't silver manipulating a mind, it is him physically attacking it

5- If the battle is getting tence or too much, he will summon.

ok, ngl, starting to think of this as an incon

 

[Omegabronic]

8x is a speed blitz amp lol

no it isn't, this site has no standard speedblitz value

Scaling chain. He's already above baseline in base, and SSG makes him astronomically higher than 50x that

well, point above stands, and also the op didn't made trunks god at the start

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

4- I see, but last time i heard that a slower character blitzing a faster character via multipliers in speed equal matches isn't allowed. But i dunno

It isn't disallowed, it's just the match just can't be added if that's the outcome.
"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."

 

[TheGreatBanana]

from what i see it only nulls causality manip that works on acausal 4 and not 3, but okay i guess i agree to disagree then


our lord and saviour big the cat fishes everyone to oblivion


firstly i need to know, how much faster is trunks then baseline?


i mean, can it null this very specific type of mind manip? like, it isn't silver manipulating a mind, it is him physically attacking it


ok, ngl, starting to think of this as an incon

1- agree to disagree then.
2- Watch as farmer with a shotgun lolstomps everyone.
3- Trunks with the keysword can tango with TPU mechikabura who can tango with ssj4 vegito who is 2500x times baseline....at worst. [This is ignoring scaling chains, other multipliers, people blitzing each other left and right etc...]
4- that specific type of mind manip, is done via normal punches and kicks? If not then it just nulls. And i read the profile, it says that silver has limited mind manip, so....KS probably nulls.
5- i do think it is, but trunks has a slighted edge imo.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

our lord and saviour big the cat fishes everyone to oblivion

 

[Omegabronic]

It isn't disallowed, it's just the match just can't be added if that's the outcome.
"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."

even then, it is just if it is a "major reason"

2- Watch as farmer with a shotgun lolstomps everyone.

big clashes with him and then the omninerve explodes lmao

3- Trunks with the keysword can tango with TPU mechikabura who can tango with ssj4 vegito who is 2500x times baseline....at worst. [This is ignoring scaling chains, other multipliers, people blitzing each other left and right etc...]

well then **** what i said then, this is why db scaling in general scares me, like holy **** dude

4- that specific type of mind manip, is done via normal punches and kicks?

exactly

And i read the profile, it says that silver has limited mind manip, so....KS probably nulls.

it is limited because he is not really manipulating it, he is attacking it, in fact, the only reason it is listed as mind manipulation is because there was no other option

5- i do think it is, but trunks has a slighted edge imo.

if the edge is so small, can we both agree with incon then?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Trunks FRA.

Plus he has a sizeable advantage in skill and experience. He has fought people with similar abilities to Silver's before.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

even then, it is just if it is a "major reason"



big clashes with him and then the omninerve explodes lmao


well then **** what i said then


exactly


it is limited because he is not really manipulating it, he is attacking it, in fact, the only reason it is listed as mind manipulation is because there was no other option


if the edge is so small, can we both agree with incon then?

The edge isn't that small, its quit big, since silver has no real answer to Power null + sealing gg.
And as for the mind manip thing, can concede that it might effect trunks, but it gets nullified [passive power null and all]. And btw, does Silver has any answers to having his soul directly attacked?

 

[Omegabronic]

The edge isn't that small, its quit big, since silver has no real answer to Power null + sealing gg.

eh fair enough

And as for the mind manip thing, can concede that it might effect trunks, but it gets nullified [passive power null and all].

that is the thing tho, i don't think it can affect this very specific type of mind manipulation

And btw, does Silver has any answers to having his soul directly attacked?

expardon me?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

eh fair enough


that is the thing tho, i don't think it can affect this very specific type of mind manipulation


expardon me?

Ig I'll concede to the mind manip point. But, does Silver have any answers to having his soul directly attacked?

 

[Remus1998]

Trunks FRA.

Plus he has a sizeable advantage in skill and experience. He has fought people with similar abilities to Silver's before.

Counted

 

[Omegabronic]

Ig I'll concede to the mind manip point. But, does Silver have any answers to having his soul directly attacked?

wait, he can do that?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Trunks the type who actually tries to make sure he will have upper hand instead letting his opponent getting stronger. I won't be surprised if for some reason Silver starts getting the upper hand he just straight up brings multiple summons.
Now that I think about it, How many characters can Trunks summon like any limitations?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Plus he has a sizeable advantage in skill and experience. He has fought people with similar abilities to Silver's before.

Trunks doesn't have a meaningful advantage in skill considering Silver scales directly in skill to Sonic and Shadow, the latter I'd argue would outskill a vast majority of the verse and is on par with the rest. Silver's problem is his naivety, which isn't so much a problem in a fight to the death.

What's stopping Silver from yoinking the Keysword from Trunks with a Lifting Strength that's infinite magnitudes above Trunks? Alternatively, what's Trunks' answer to Super Silver's more defensive fighting style (Shield of Light, reflecting attacks back at him, controlling the distance which they fight, etc.) that ensures Silver's risk of getting hit is minimized? As it stands, it seems this fight is largely going to be dictated by how close Silver lets Trunks get rather than how close Trunks can get.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Trunks doesn't have a meaningful advantage in skill considering Silver scales directly in skill to Sonic and Shadow, the latter I'd argue would outskill a vast majority of the verse and is on par with the rest. Silver's problem is his naivety, which isn't so much a problem in a fight to the death.

What's stopping Silver from yoinking the Keysword from Trunks with a Lifting Strength that's infinite magnitudes above Trunks? Alternatively, what's Trunks' answer to Super Silver's more defensive fighting style (Shield of Light, reflecting attacks back at him, controlling the distance which they fight, etc.) that ensures Silver's risk of getting hit is minimized? As it stands, it seems this fight is largely going to be dictated by how close Silver lets Trunks get rather than how close Trunks can get.

The Keysword can counter Attack Reflection.

 

[ShakeResounding]

The Keysword can counter Attack Reflection.

Counter in what way? As any projectiles Trunks sends Silver's way will be caught in his Shield of Light, and from there Silver just throws it back.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Since the keysword pretty much combines with the user stealing it will do nothing since it can just tp back to trunks

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Counter in what way? As any projectiles Trunks sends Silver's way will be caught in his Shield of Light, and from there Silver just throws it back.

It resists/can null the Dark Factor, which can reflect attacks.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Since the keysword pretty much combines with the user stealing it will do nothing since it can just tp back to trunks

And when Silver freezes Trunks himself in place?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

The Keysword does resist Telekinesis as an ability, although idk how the whole deal of TK works... There was a debate about TK resistance and LS a while ago, which left me confused.

So idk how an innate resistance would interact in this case.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Awakened Keysword seems a little bit too much imo. Might be wrong though.

I dunno about that, Trunks doesn't use most of these things ic.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I dunno about that, Trunks doesn't use most of these things ic.

The signature moves of the sword? He does, yeah.

I was mostly referring to the resistance the AK give.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The Keysword does resist Telekinesis as an ability, although idk how the whole deal of TK works... There was a debate about TK resistance and LS a while ago, which left me confused.

So idk how an innate resistance would interact in this case.

It was already dealt with Sans and no. Higher LS >>>>> Any TK feat which is lower than said LS.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

It was already dealt with Sans and no. Higher LS >>>>> Any TK feat which is lower than said LS.

Ok then

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Trunks doesn't have a meaningful advantage in skill considering Silver scales directly in skill to Sonic and Shadow, the latter I'd argue would outskill a vast majority of the verse and is on par with the rest. Silver's problem is his naivety, which isn't so much a problem in a fight to the death.

What's stopping Silver from yoinking the Keysword from Trunks with a Lifting Strength that's infinite magnitudes above Trunks? Alternatively, what's Trunks' answer to Super Silver's more defensive fighting style (Shield of Light, reflecting attacks back at him, controlling the distance which they fight, etc.) that ensures Silver's risk of getting hit is minimized? As it stands, it seems this fight is largely going to be dictated by how close Silver lets Trunks get rather than how close Trunks can get.

I do agree that Trunks skill is less than Silver, so that's a plus for him.
And as what's stoping him from yanking Trunks KS via Tk? Easy, KS has Resistance and can null TK. Plus, trunks can call and duplicate it.
And the answer for everything else is....Power null. Silver's attack are getting power nulled. Plis the KS has Resistance and can null DF which has attack reflection and can resist attack reflection.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I do agree that Trunks skill is less than Silver, so that's a plus for him.
And as what's stoping him from yanking Trunks KS via Tk? Easy, KS has Resistance and can null TK. Plus, trunks can call and duplicate it.
And the answer for everything else is....Power null. Silver's attack are getting power nulled. Plis the KS has Resistance and can null DF which has attack reflection and can resist attack reflection.

The dormant one can't null that kind of TK.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

And when Silver freezes Trunks himself in place?

Resists or power nulls.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Wonder if him fusing with true form tokitoki will boost his power null

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Resists or power nulls.

No.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The dormant one can't null that kind of TK.

This is why we need to make it Awakened.

But even then we should give to Silver Power Ups and Optional Equipment too then.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

The dormant one can't null that kind of TK.

Ah my bad. But can't trunks just pull out the AKS? but in it's profile, it can null DF in its Dormant state.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

This is why we need to make it Awakened.

But even then we should give to Silver Power Ups and Optional Equipment too then.

The awakened Keysword gives Trunks a way to counter almost anything Silver can dish out at him, since it also takes away the LS advantage

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Can't he get that by just fusing with true form tokitoki instead?

 

[StrymULTRA]

The awakened Keysword gives Trunks a way to counter almost anything Silver can dish out at him, since it also takes away the LS advantage

Meh, the mind hax bullshit is still a pretty hard thing.

Plus the Keysword doesn't have resistance to TK as well.