DEATH BATTLE Rematch (Trunks vs Silver)

[TheGreatBanana]

has it null the causality manipulation of his actions?


would he do it faster than silver just attacking tho?

In its dormant state, it resisted mechikabura's choas ball, and in its Awekened state, it can counter it.

 

[Omegabronic]

Just look at his page.
Basically, it can null/has resistance to dark ki and dark factor. It was able to nullify TPU mechikabura.

well, i don't see all of silver's abilities there, but anyway, it doesn't null silver specific mind manipulation i guess, altho i dunno how the wiki treats that, gonna hold back my vote now and wait for more people

Not in a versus match. Pretty sure that's gameplay mechanics

no? if in the game he uses via cards, then that is how he uses it here

 

[Eseseso]

Let's just use the Awakened Keysword, I checked profile and it doesn't seem broken or anything.

Plus it looks so ******* cool, I don't even care about DBH but holy crap that looks wicked.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

well, i don't see all of silver's abilities there, but anyway, it doesn't null silver specific mind manipulation i guess, altho i dunno how the wiki treats that, gonna hold back my vote now and wait for more people


no? if in the game he uses via cards, then that is how he uses it here

Well It can null DF/DK mind hax which is 4-D in potency and can effect abstract beings such as Zamasu. So there is a chance it can work on silver's mind manip.

 

[Omegabronic]

In its dormant state, it resisted mechikabura's choas ball, and in its Awekened state, it can counter it.

the chaos ball doesn't have causality manipulation tho?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Let's just use the Awakened Keysword, I checked profile and it doesn't seem broken or anything.

Plus it looks so ******* cool, I don't even care about DBH but holy crap that looks wicked.

I mean Trunks can just bust it out. Unless the OP specifies that he cannot.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

no? if in the game he uses via cards, then that is how he uses it here

Not like it matters anyway since the Keysword has that and its own passive power nullification

 

[TheGreatBanana]

the chaos ball doesn't have causality manipulation tho?

The choas ball effects all of your past, presents and futures across all of time and space itself. Which...is very much noted on Mechikabura and Keysword profiles.

 

[Omegabronic]

Well It can null DF/DK mind hax which is 4-D in potency and can effect abstract beings such as Zamasu. So there is a chance it can work on silver's mind manip.

what about the violet void stuff? also now that i think about it, could silver just tk the sword out of trunks?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Let's just use the Awakened Keysword, I checked profile and it doesn't seem broken or anything.

Plus it looks so ******* cool, I don't even care about DBH but holy crap that looks wicked.

It's more broken than what you think.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

what about the violet void stuff? also now that i think about it, could silver just tk the sword out of trunks?

The Keyswords both resist Void Manipulation, iirc.

 

[Omegabronic]

The choas ball effects all of your past, presents and futures across all of time and space itself. Which...is very much noted on Mechikabura and Keysword profiles.

which is not listed as causality manipulation on the profile, that sounds more like range than anything tbh

Not like it matters anyway since the Keysword has that

via activated skills and via attacks, but silver can just recharge with every thought so, i guess they cancel each other

 

[Omegabronic]

The Keyswords both resist Void Manipulation, iirc.

let me guess, resistance get passed to the user

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

let me guess, resistance get passed to the user

Yes.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Both power and hax, to be more specific.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

what about the violet void stuff? also now that i think about it, could silver just tk the sword out of trunks?

How good is his violet void stuff? And thats bad idea, since they keysword will just null and absorb Silver abilites. Plus trunks can re-summon it or duplicate it. Or just phase into silver and null him.

 

[Omegabronic]

well, how in character is to trunks to awake the sleepy sword?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

via activated skills and via attacks, but silver can just recharge with every thought so, i guess they cancel each other

Not the sword's power null. That's mentioned in the manga not the game

 

[TheGreatBanana]

which is not listed as causality manipulation on the profile, that sounds more like range than anything tbh


via activated skills and via attacks, but silver can just recharge with every thought so, i guess they cancel each other

Same can be said to silver. Both can effect the past, present amd future at the same time.
And how much higher silver's energy than baseline 2-A?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

well, how in character is to trunks to awake the sleepy sword?

Yes.

 

[Omegabronic]

How good is his violet void stuff?

typo, i meant color power stuff, like the absorption

And thats bad idea, since they keysword will just null and absorb Silver abilites. Plus trunks can re-summon it or duplicate it. Or just phase into silver and null him.

can the sword fight for itself? plus if trunks is not wielding it anymore, then it wouldn't not affect trunks as well, no?

 

[MysticMania]

I'm leaning Silver, myself. He has durability negation in Super with his Psychokinesis, due to using it on the molecular level in IDW (I'm not sciency, though, so if that doesn't count, then tee hee). His Psychokinesis's versatility also means he can effectively control the flow and distance of the fight, to my understanding. I don't think that Trunks has a super solid answer to it, at least, going off of what I know.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

typo, i meant color power stuff, like the absorption


can the sword fight for itself? plus if trunks is not wielding it anymore, then it wouldn't not affect trunks as well, no?

How potent is the absorbtion? And no, the sword can fly to its user, and create clones out of it'self. So...taking the sword would only hinder silver not help him.

 

[Omegabronic]

Not the sword's power null. That's mentioned in the manga not the game

yeah yeah, i was talking about the stamina stuff

Yes.

excuse me?

Same can be said to silver. Both can effect the past, present amd future at the same time.

yeah, it is range, but it was listed as causality manipulation for some reason, maybe someone could add that to the chaos ball

And how much higher silver's energy than baseline 2-A?

unquantifiably higher, but aren't we talking about stamina?

How potent is the absorbtion? And no, the sword can fly to its user, and create clones out of it'self. So...taking the sword would only hinder silver not help him.

affecting matter........the sword resists it doesn't it?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I wanna point out that Trunks has passive stat boosts so i really doubt a 8x speed advantage will do much.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Chaos Control is not working on Trunks due to him already having more layers of resistance to Time Manipulation than Silver can bypass. And then there's the Keysword that gives him even more resistance including resistance to Void Manipulation and black hole-based absorption meaning Violet Void isn't working

Also since the sword empowers the user it means that Trunks gets immeasurable LS (Demigra << Mechi << TPU Mechi << Keysword << Awakened Keysword) so TK isn't an automatic wincon

 

[TheGreatBanana]

yeah yeah, i was talking about the stamina stuff


excuse me?


yeah, it is range, but it was listed as causality manipulation for some reason, maybe someone could add that to the chaos ball


unquantifiably higher, but aren't we talking about stamina?


affecting matter........the sword resists it doesn't it?

Probably, but it stands that both can effect things across all of time [with choas ball having more range].
Well the sword can absorb higher than baseline 2-A amounts of energy, so silver is definitely getting drained. And as for matter hax. It's getting...well...Nulled.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I wanna point out that Trunks has passive stat boosts so i really doubt a 8x speed advantage will do much.

And stat reduction

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Oh, and KS can null DF which has TK.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

About the Keysword, trying to grab it would be a pretty silly move, since it would induce power null.

It's got not only a passive ranged one but also a contact based one.

 

[Spinoirr]

Fight ost:

 

[Omegabronic]

Probably, but it stands that both can effect things across all of time [with choas ball having more range].

well, there is still what shake said:

Solaris is a Type 4 Acausal on top of its Type 3 due to it using the Chaos Emeralds to transform, so Silver's Causality Manip probably bypasses that

so, can it null such a level of causality that affects a type 4 and 3 acausal?

Well the sword can absorb higher than baseline 2-A amounts of energy, so silver is definitely getting drained. And as for matter hax. It's getting...well...Nulled.

silver replenish it with every thought he has on the fight, and with every emotion

btw, couldn't silver just destroy the sword with this:

I'm leaning Silver, myself. He has durability negation in Super with his Psychokinesis, due to using it on the molecular level in IDW (I'm not sciency, though, so if that doesn't count, then tee hee). His Psychokinesis's versatility also means he can effectively control the flow and distance of the fight, to my understanding. I don't think that Trunks has a super solid answer to it, at least, going off of what I know.

I wanna point out that Trunks has passive stat boosts so i really doubt a 8x speed advantage will do much.

how big and quickly?

Oh, and KS can null DF which has TK.

Well **** that i guess

 

[Remus1998]

I'm leaning Silver, myself. He has durability negation in Super with his Psychokinesis, due to using it on the molecular level in IDW (I'm not sciency, though, so if that doesn't count, then tee hee). His Psychokinesis's versatility also means he can effectively control the flow and distance of the fight, to my understanding. I don't think that Trunks has a super solid answer to it, at least, going off of what I know.

Is that a vote?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

well, there is still what shake said:

so, can it null such a level of causality that affects a type 4 and 3 acausal?


silver replenish it with every thought he has on the fight, and with every emotion

btw, couldn't silver just destroy the sword with this:




how big and quickly?


Well **** that i guess

1- The sword can resist and null TPU mechikabura's powers and chaos ball that have TP which can fate and causality hax beings with Aca4.
2-I see. Then i think both jusy cancel's each others out.
3-No, KS just nulls.
4-I dunno, so i can't say for sure.
5-So TK is not a wincon for Silver.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Also, another wincon of Trunks that i don't think Silver can deal with, his summons.

 

[Omegabronic]

1- The sword can resist and null TPU mechikabura's powers and chaos ball that have TP which can fate and causality hax beings with Aca4.

it is not just type 4, it is type 4 + type 3 combined

2-I see. Then i think both jusy cancel's each others out.

ok

3-No, KS just nulls.

what does that stupid sword doesn't null lol

4-I dunno, so i can't say for sure.

like, if it isn't quantifiable then silver still has a pretty big advantage if the current crt passes it will be a bliz worth advantage

5-So TK is not a wincon for Silver.

guess not, well he has the other stuff i guess

Also, another wincon of Trunks that i don't think Silver can deal with, his summons.

chronoa with time power thing right?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

it is not just type 4, it is type 4 + type 3 combined


ok


what does that stupid sword doesn't null lol


like, if it isn't quantifiable then silver still has a pretty big advantage if the current crt passes it will be a bliz worth advantage


guess not, well he has the other stuff i guess


chronoa with time power thing right?

1-aca3 doesn't let you resist causality and fate manip as far as i know. So its not that important.
2-
3- it's pretty unfair of how much it nulls/resists.
4- I see, but last time i heard that a slower character blitzing a faster character via multipliers in speed equal matches isn't allowed. But i dunno
5- What are other silver wincons?
6- Yeah, Xeno goku,xeno vegeta, demigra, True form tokitoki, Super shenron etc....which i dunno how will silver deal with them.

Btw, add my vote for xeno trunks if you are free.

 

[Remus1998]

1-aca3 doesn't let you resist causality and fate manip as far as i know. So its not that important.
2-
3- it's pretty unfair of how much it nulls/resists.
4- I see, but last time i heard that a slower character blitzing a faster character via multipliers in speed equal matches isn't allowed. But i dunno
5- What are other silver wincons?
6- Yeah, Xeno goku,xeno vegeta, demigra, True form tokitoki, Super shenron etc....which i dunno how will silver deal with them.

Btw, add my vote for xeno trunks if you are free.

Counted

 

[Omegabronic]

1-aca3 doesn't let you resist causality and fate manip as far as i know. So its not that important.

it is kinda, since it shows that silver's causality manipulation is potent enough to affect even people with multiple acausalities, so it should be potent enough to not be nulled, no?

2-
3- it's pretty unfair of how much it nulls/resists.

archie sonic levels of bullshit fr, when dbh gets low 1-C i will trow archie at them and let the bullshit explodes

4- I see, but last time i heard that a slower character blitzing a faster character via multipliers in speed equal matches isn't allowed. But i dunno

silver is faster here

5- What are other silver wincons?

physical mind attacking stuff + speed amp to hit trunks with it, there is also some paralisis stuff, but i am sure the ks nulls it somehow

6- Yeah, Xeno goku,xeno vegeta, demigra, True form tokitoki, Super shenron etc....which i dunno how will silver deal with them.

well, how much in character is that for trunks to use it? does he do it early on?

 

[MysticMania]

Oh yeah, my b. I vote for Silver.