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DDLC Tier 2 Downgrade

@Monarch

I said we can because we see it change from day to night.

Although you could say that's an artificial sun and moon, that seems like a reach.
 
It's not a reach at all.

If DDLC's videogame world was some kind of 3D model world where there was an actual realistically sized model of the sun and moon and earth, then there might be an argument. But there isn't. It's just an image backdrop.

Everything within the game of DDLC is just characters running through programmed memories and experiences.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Everything within the game of DDLC is just characters running through programmed memories and experiences.
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Ok so what happens with all the stuff that were not meant to be part of the "normal game"? All the memories of Monika that she tells at the end and that she would never mention otherwise, the space in the background of Monika's room, Yuri killing some woman, etc.?
 
Sure if there was a confirmation that it was a universe to begin with, but there is no statement saying that it is one.
 
@Andy

DDLC is not as meta as Imscared is. Most of the game deals with Monika's interaction with the other in-universe characters. She hardly enters in contact with the player except in Act 3. It's similar to how Matrix characters don't have 11-A key, because most of the fighting takes place in the Matrix itself.

Meanwhile, most of Imscared's plot is about WF facing with the player as a 11-A being. A virus vs the player, so to speak. There is as much interactions between WF and the real player as there is between WF and the in-game "avatar", meaning a 11-A key is relevant.
 
I'm gonna piggyback off Efi's statement. There is definitively an actual in-universe, well, universe in DDLC. It's not just pure data and images. The characters have actual lives outside of the game's boundary. Even Monika talks about it, despite the fact that she would be aware of the game being just a Visual Novel if it was the case.
 
I mean, a possible counter could, again, be the Japan dialouge implying that the memories are fake, and that is the reason why she can't even remember them properly.
 
@Ricsi

It seems more like it implies that the setting is vaguely defined as just "Japan" without actual efforts to make it actually Japan. I don't think it's enough to justify what's being described here.
 
No she doesn't. All she says is that she doesn't know where it is, spatially speaking. The very fact that she knows that it's in Japan despite the fact that it's not told to the player anywhere else further cements the fact that things exist beyond what the player sees.
 
I mean, stuff does exist beyond it, but that doesn't really counter the point. She plain says that it is all fake to begin with.
 
Not there, she does say that nothing is real plenty times, with the exeption of herself because of course.
 
Ironically, even the "nothing is real?" poem ends up expanding the verse.
 
Not in a literal sense. Nothing is "real" because there is a real world that exists beyond it, and her own world is just a pre-programmed setting for the sake of a visual novel.

It doesn't mean that only part of the world is real and the rest isn't. If that was the case, she wouldn't be saying that "nothing" is real, which implies that everything (including the part of the world we see) is also fake.

tl;dr "everything is fake" only refers to the world being fiction, not that only a part of said world actually exists.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Not there, she does say that nothing is real plenty times, with the exeption of herself because of course.
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An exemple would be Sayori's Hanging. In depression she says Sayori isn't real.

In intorvert there is also "I can't imagine having been able to keep myself mentally stable, knowing that nothing here is real."

Or the "It's not right for me to miss things that weren't even real in the first place." in music.

Or in My Own Route. "Maybe the rest of the club would still be around...Not that it really matters. It all lost its meaning once I found out it wasn't real."


She also plain says that she enjoys tweeting to the real world, tough that isn't much of a factor.
 
Narratively speaking a dating simulation such as DDLC has no business having a 3-A universe within it (The entire verse is based around a narrative.)

The characters having memories and backstories are in no way proof of a 3-A verse.
 
None of what you say actually matters. As I've already said, all this says is that the world is fictional, not that only part of it is real.
 
YungManzi said:
Narratively speaking a dating simulation such as DDLC has no business having a 3-A universe within it (The entire verse is based around a narrative.)
The characters having memories and backstories are in no way proof of a 3-A verse.
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Again with this argument.

So basically, for cats to exist in a verse similar to real life, but in which cats ahve never appeard on scree, you have to prove their existence?
 
@Yung Narratively speaking nothing that isn't seen by the player needs to exist. Yet it does. The world is more than what is shown. The world is more than just the narrative, even though it focuses on it. Therefore, we have no reasons to assume it's not a full universe.
 
The Causality said:
Based on the fact that the reasoning is really bad, assuming that the Universe aren't the same size as our universe because you can do stuff like erase files of characters and manipulate the entire game and logic like that is the same as said that "you need to prove that cats exist in this world too" and other offscreen and obvious things.

With this reasoning, we can assume almost everything like "prove that the moon exist" or "prove that planets exist" You can do anything with this logic, the first and logic assumption is assuming that the game is the same as the world but in a game where characters with power like monika has.
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I just repost my comment since OP seem to think (again) that their universe aren't low 2-C via a terrible logic.
 
@Saikou

Only, the entire point of Doki Doki is that the world was created with a specific story in mind, and that story never changes no matter what Monika does to the world itself (Short of erasing stuff). As I said before the world doesn't even exist when the browser closes, so it's not something that continues or expands without player interaction or a game script, meaning everything that we don't see in-story is not reliable information, because it's all data used to build character.

And thinking about DDLC's canon origin and meta nature, I find it unlikely that game developers would create an entire 3-A verse for this dating simulation.
 
You're making a lot of unproved claims there. The world being just a school with like 5 people in it is an interpretation that needs proofs. And an interpretation that is contradicted by several people, even ones with meta-knowledge like Monika.

Also the true ending heavily hints that the world will keep going without the player, disproving the idea that the world doesn't exist without the player (an idea that is only supported by Monika, who has meta-knowledge and was living in a script-less, timeless world at the time).
 
@HI3

Is that true? If it is...this can be over then...my argument is being misinterpreted...which happens all of the time in threads like these for some reason...I don't get it.
 
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