DCEU: Attack Potency and Resistance upgrade

[M3X_2.0]

Hi, time to revise both AP and Dura from your DC bois.

These two calcs got accepted

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...inosaurFan/Recalc_of_Zeus_creating_Themyscira

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...athen_travelling_up_to_Earth's_surface_(DCEU)

Small Country level for AP and Large Island level for Resistance

Both Aquaman and Orm can tank blows from Karathen

We need to remove both Mountai and Island level from the profiles. They shoud be like that

Superma

Attack Potency: At least Small Country level, likely Country level

Durability: At least Small Country level, likely Country level

The Large Island calc is just an supporting feat

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Zeus feat wasn't accepted. Last comment from a calc-member was Kep saying it was exaggerated.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Two members already replied him

 

[AguilaR101]

The 10 second timeframe for the island feat looks completely arbitrary tbh.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Two members already replied to Kep saying the buildings were not exaggerated as one would think

That said I posted a DD feat that could support the rating (The calc was 3 Teratons but it's probably lower as it was a nuclear explosion in the calc)

I'd also suggest scrapping the Country level feat entirely since it's deemed by most to be unreliable.

I think Redic also calced Aquaman at Class G for the Karathen feat

 

[Hellbeast1]

My question is who is Low 6-B and not stupidly haxed?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wasn't the 6-B rating supposed to be removed entirely?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Yes

 

[Hellbeast1]

Actially can we calc Manta's Mass Energy Conversion? Supporting feat for himself and Aquaman

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think that 10 seconds for a timeframe is baseless, and that reverse-vaporization is WAY exaggerated.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Almost all timeframe here are baseless

 

[Hellbeast1]

10 seconds was also what we used for the 7-A end so I hardly see why it's an issue mow.

We're also not going with reverse vaping

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I also take issue with some of the Karathen calc.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Which section specifically?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Aren't we removing.6B?

 

[Therefir]

If Zeus literally created the island at the moment of his last breath, 10 seconds should be fine.

 

[Hellbeast1]

It's said to be with his dying breaths so yeah 10 is good

 

[Qawsedf234]

Presumably if the calc is accepted, it'll be: Low 6-B | High 6-A for Superman and we remove the solid 6-B rating for everyone and remove the Class Z lifting strength rating.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I don't think Class Z should be affected

 

[Qawsedf234]

If the feat is being discarded then so should the lifting strength rating.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

It's just that the speed assumptions are inaccurate

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well, his JL key should still have it's lifting strength key changed.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Agreed (Also I've parroted this but I'll see if I cang et someone top calc the top featswe haven't done yet)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Bump

 

[Hellbeast1]

Sohere we have a good scan for determining Atlantis' size

I think it might be Themyscira sized so there's that

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sorry for not responding, I was busy with some things and was dealing with more important threads.

I did not know we would remove the Country level, I thought we would put "Possibly". So I guess there is not much to discuss, apply the "Small Country" level and remove the other levels.

At least "Small Country level", likely far higher

For both AP and durability

 

[Mr._Redic]

Bumping for an old but new feat that may be relevant.

Krypton's explosio was strong enough to destroy its nearby moon, but the phantom projector survived. Presumably this could apply to the durability of Kryptonian metal if someone could work out the the distances involved to take into account the inverse square law.

 

[Ronnijuro]

Bumping for an old but new feat that may be relevant.
Krypton's explosio was strong enough to destroy its nearby moon, but the phantom projector survived. Presumably this could apply to the durability of Kryptonian metal if someone could work out the the distances involved to take into account the inverse square law.

Survived because of plot.

Superman destroyed the Terraforming Ship and he is nowhere near that lvl of attack power/durability.

 

[DMUA]

Is there a link to the scene of the island being made?

I'd assume it would show the creation in at least a little more detail then an assumed timeframe

 

[M3X_2.0]

https://youtu.be/Y7XrrZlRciM

Mr. Redic made a point for the island being created with matter manipulation

 

[DMUA]

So we don't actually see the creation itself?

A more reasonable assumption would be a minute then, probably

Where's the proof for matter manipulation beyond just creation is destruction?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah, I'm the one who brought up problems with this calc.
It actually isn't brought up out of the water, it's already formed by the time we see it in the magical picture book. Zeus is also using the same hand beam he used to make people, which should be Matter Manipulation. And the biggest problem is actually the size and shape, since it's using the stylized book depiction with its cone shape and an inaccurate made-up size, instead of using the actual island's triangular prism-esque shape and obviously much larger size, as we see in a clear view of it here in Justice League. The Amazon city alone is probably at least the original calcs purported size, and the actual island looks like it could match Metropolis or Gotham in size, which is pretty appropriate.

The smaller islands surrounding the main island also seem to have been made by Zeus since we see them in the storybook. We see it's where the barrier is formed, and the water looks like it continues to be shallow all the way up to where Steve crashed his plane, which is pretty close to the islands. I think this makes the part of the island under the surface extend even further than the main island, which should also make it much larger.

 

[DMUA]

Creation isn't automatically matter manipulation, since magic doesn't usually follow the conventions of science in such a way that it would apply in a non inflationary fashion, at least, without being specified beforehand.

 

[Ronnijuro]

Creation isnt above destruction, that depends on the context and the fiction verse.

Even if Zeus could have created a Planet, the thing is Superman and all beings in this verse are Mountain lvl at most, and that is in durability, because AP Superman <<<<< Durability Superman

It doesnt matter what gods can create with their magic.

And why at most Mountain? Well, because he was knocked out by a atomic missile!! And he didnt even tanked that missile directly cause he grabbed and put Doomsday's head against it, he was behind Doomsday head.

More than this is pure wank.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Stop downplay with this "HURRRR MISSILE HURRR" argument. Lets focus here

 

[Ronnijuro]

"HURRRR MISSILE HURRR" argument > your wank

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah you're right. Now stop derail the thread

 

[AnonymousBlank]

>Missile

>Ignoring Supes was weakened

Okay then

 

[Ronnijuro]

Bruh, these wankers. The missile happened and that's a solid proof and evidence to quantify Superman durability.

All other shit is pure wank, I'm not derailing the thread, I'm the only one writing something with common sense, logic and objectivity.


Ares got oneshoted by a City Block attack, like seriously, Country lvl? Use some common sense lol.

 

[Qawsedf234]

While his language is a bit unnecessary, I don't think @Ronnijuro is derailing. He's disagreeing with the proposed AP upgrade which fits with the thread. Although a dedicated CRT would probably be better.