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I am aware of this, but used the term for the sake of simplicity.
Thank you. We should probably wait a bit for further input before this is applied though.
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DC Street Tier Speed Revision
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In that case I am fine with something like that
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Would this be fine for you as well, @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan ?
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bump
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Yeah sure
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I don't think feats could get you to "possibly higher" if they're outliers. If they're outliers, you just don't put them there
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That's true, actually
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I believe these are the feats we’re going with, so I drafted some justifications. How do they look?
Batman
At least Supersonic+ (Comparable to Nightwing. Casually caught a cricket ball while weakened)
Nightwing
At least Supersonic+ (Dodged gunfire from Penguin and casually danced around Killshot. Dodged a bullet at point-blank range)
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Yeah, add "comparable to Batman" to Nightwing too and that's good
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Wouldn’t that be kinda redundant though? Especially since all of the Supersonic+ feats come from Nightwing himself.
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Are we not giving them Cassandra's feats cause she's faster, or because it's an outlier?
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You can probably just scale all of them from Nightwing via chain-scaling.
It seems like an outlier, but maybe we can give her an "At least Supersonic+, possibly Hypersonic+" rating, if that was the result of her speed feat? What do the rest of you think?
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I'm not sure it would be an outlier if nearly every other feat had the character weakened and/or was very casual
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The entire Bat family has had multiple instances of dipping in and out of places faster than a normal human can turn their head to, so I guess supersonic+ reaction/"combat" speeds are as good enough of an indicator as any.
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Those are also all very casual.
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I wouldn't say all of the calculated feats are casual, in fact the Supersonic+ one seems like it had some effort put into it.
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Nightwing’s highest feat is like Mach 2.6, Cass’ Hypersonic+ feat is Mach 16.22.
If we’re going with the idea that she’s not that much faster than them, that’s definitely an outlier.
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Would you be willing to handle it, Armorchompy?
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The perspective is really weird, I'd assume it to be Transonic-Supersonic-ish though. It's definitely calculable I'm just not really interested in approximating it.
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8x difference doesn't seem like a great outlier. We had much, much bigger jumps. And Nightwing's feat had him weakened
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8x is damn huge, more than blitz-worthy
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Blitz worthy or not, that isn't how we determine outliers. There a countless of characters with best feats that are tens of times, if not more, stronger than their next best one. And again, Nightwing was extremely weakened.
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Unfortunately those characters are not from DC Comics, which we have special standards for.
In the Supersonic+ feat? I think that's a different instance. Plus that doesn't matter this is still one feat.
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All the standards account for is the "everyone fights everyone", stuff like Batman kicking Spectre. Nothing there states brings up direct feats. And nearly every supersonic+ feat is casual. Batman's baseball feat was performed with his back broken
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That’s not “everyone can fight everyone”, Spectre literally let Batman do that.
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Completely irrelevant to my point, but alright
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That is true. It is mainly the crazy powerscaling chains that we need to be wary of.
Is an 8x higher speed, when the lower speed feats were casual really that much of an outlier? I am uncertain.
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I dunno, maybe it's not that bad? My main concern is that Cass is the one doing it and she's a lot faster than most other batfam people.
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I suppose “At least Supersonic+, at most Hypersonic+“ could work.
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Thing is, it's not all about speed. It's also about how nimble and small she is, and how she can basically read people's movements. She generally overwhelms people with acrobacy, not sheer speed
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Yeah former is straight-up the definition of a blitz
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So have we agreed to use this solution then? And if so, is somebody here willing and able to properly apply the changes?
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What would the Hypersonic+ justification be for Batman and the others? Would it be something like; “Shouldn’t be drastically slower than Cassandra Cain”?
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