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I just want to make sure here. You say that IMP is a specific attack for Flash, and while it is, Zoom could survive one, even if it knocked him out.
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DC Hold back revision
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Shouldn't he also have IMP, tho he hasn't do it before.
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Yeah don't you remember all the time supervillain skulls explode once the heroes hit them? Very common comics trope.
Surviving shouldn't be treated as a reliable metric for anything, if you're knocked out cold, that's not scaling, dependent on the ratings most comics WILL not let superheroes kill supervillains on screen.
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Yes, so maybe Wally didn’t punch Zoom with his all, his peak is 2-C. Zoom did survive the exact attack that was 4-B tho
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It being a trope doesn’t debunk Zoom surviving an attack specifically calced at 4-B. Again, since without using full speed force Wally’s peak is 2-C, he did hold back nonetheless
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Okay. That is probably fine then.
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Derialing topic, Wally get upgraded to 2-C at peak isn't relevant to this thread.
And for MOST relevant plot purposes, Infinite Mass Punch is supposed to be his best shit in most writers' minds, not everyone reads wank cosmic comics
Again, surviving alone isn't relevant for scaling
It debunks it being a relevant feat to represent showcase, as the only reason he IS surviving it, is meta bullshit.
This is what PIS is.
Also don't multipost.
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We rate Wally 2-C, possibly 2-A with the entire speed force, his emotional peak is rated at solid 2-C.
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If Zoom is 4-B regularly, then it'd create a weird scaling loop where Wally's regular punches are 4-B since he regularly trades blows with Zoom, meaning the IMP is kind of worthless.
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I think full power speed force especially in rebirth it's only post-crisis I can say so but rebirth I don't even remember when last I heard of IMP.
If I survive a solar system attack it isn't relevant in scaling? Good to know.
Wally did say at relativistic speeds he punches at a force equal to a white dwarf star.
But one thing I know when comic book characters(especially marvel and DC maybe also archie)say they wanna move immeasurable or too fast they say they have to move at light speed.
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Sucks. Rip. Relevance?
Are you a fictional DC character? Didn't know.
In general is my point tough to understand or are you purposely simplifying it to shit to further your own agenda? Knowing who it's coming from I genuinely don't know.
This sounds like the dumbest and the most inconsistent shit ever.
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Wally has also sad at realistic, his kicks are (can be) equal to that of a small moon, but has often purposefully been far weaker in the past. The small moon statement seems far more consistent with not only his, but his colleagues typical showings.
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Totally different reply from what I stated above.
Why not go tell that to comic book writers who make ***** with mass move at light speed.
You won't get it so I won't waste my time explaining.
Also jenny Quantum(don't really remember her name in final crisis) at light speed could rip the universe open.
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And Green Lantern Corps members regularly fly from one end of the universe to the other in a couple of hours. These things happen, we just have to pick the ones that are most consistent with each other.
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This is exactly how thing's are in most fictional franchise. E.g dragon ball characters move at MFTL+ speeds yet they see light speed dyspo impressive even seth the programmer talked about this. Also in DC we have characters who move MFTL+ feats based on calcs then later in the same comic the character begins to wank just to move at light speed.
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Because you replied to MY message by completely misunderstanding it, I am addressing that. Basic stuff.
Writer*
And I can just not use it because it's inconsistent. Simpler.
Must not be important to begin with then, thanks for wasting my time instead.
Also just gonna say you might wanna improve your tone by this point, mate, and 99% of your arguments are either you misconstruing my words, OR gibberish.
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Is english your first language? Want a clarification, otherwise alot of these misunderstandings don't add up
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Individual character discussions, and then applying the modified list to the whole verse
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I think we should let individual character discussions be their own threads. I'm currently writing one for GL characters.
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Okay. Thanks for the summary.
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If this is agreed upon, we can just begin applying the revision
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Wally is low multiversal at peak, so solar system isn’t his peak, so zoom scaling wouldn’t contradict anything. And if your head doesn’t explode or anything, that means you could take, I dunno, 3x less energy and be fine. So how is surviving a specific 4-B attack not scalable is beyond me
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The actual revision was agreed on yesterday and was (mostly) applied then...
Again Fish the logic makes no sense. If the IMP was a special attack (like it is), it wouldn't scale to his regular punches, which it would if we applied it the way you're suggesting. The writers wouldn't go "oh yeah he's actually casually hitting with the force f a dwarf star, it's just this one time we highlighted it for no reason", it would completely devalue the scene and make no sense.
Again Fish the logic makes no sense. If the IMP was a special attack (like it is), it wouldn't scale to his regular punches, which it would if we applied it the way you're suggesting. The writers wouldn't go "oh yeah he's actually casually hitting with the force f a dwarf star, it's just this one time we highlighted it for no reason", it would completely devalue the scene and make no sense.
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Yes, it’s stronger than average blows since it one shots RF, but not by a cosmic difference
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I'm planning the same for Ares and Darkseid too
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Applying the suggested ratings in Amelia's blog to all the characters :V
Low Multiversal isn't a conventional peak, for most comic purposes he is 4-B peak
Missing the point.
Because folks can survive Darkseid's attack with the same amount of damage dealt. Surviving isn't a relevant enough method to scale.
Your argument currently should be proving that this isn't a trend, and characters die often enough with hits that hard, for my claim to be invalid :V
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Surviving an attack from Darkseid is one thing. Surviving an attack from Darkseid that also blew up a universe is another. That’s, why, for instance, is Spider-Man tanks a causal attack from sentry that destroys a building, he wouldn’t scale to Sentry himself but to the building destroying attack he did
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This isn't something we do tho :V, a serious Sentry has punched Carnage to yield a tier 7 feat, and a pissed off Hulk has thrown a rock at Sandman to yield a High 8-C+ feat, we don't consider that. The only remotely close example you can give, is the Luke Cage nuke calc, which we list as his ABSOLUTE PEAK unscaleable to his core physicals (and likely to be removed), and the Mettle feat, which is a shockwave so it'll be REALLY sus that's 4-B.
Because, this is cherrypicking yields to hide the laughable outliers, if we're going this route, show me the scan of him tanking the Infinite Mass Punch, I can GUARANTEE there are MORE ways to calc that feat in ways that don't reach 4-B.
Oh also, can you real quick prove that Zoom is consistently tanking these 4-Bs hits and it's not a one-off thing?
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Also, I noticed that Wonder Woman (Post-Crisis) is currently scaled from her later Flashpoint incarnation, so that, and any similar retroactive cross-scaling, needs to be removed.
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That's canon tho and I believe is where the 5-A for Flash comes from
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