DC Heralds rescaling thread

[Stefano4444]

• General Zod (Post-Crisis)
• Batman (Post-Crisis)
• Lobo (Post-Crisis)
• The Joker (Post-Crisis)
• Superman (One Million)
• Superman (Kingdom Come)
• Mogo the Living Planet
• Yellow Lantern Power Ring
• Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) (Post-Crisis)
• Ares (DC Comics)
• Aquaman (Post-Crisis)
• Circe (Post-Crisis)
• Star Sapphire (DC Comics)
• Maxima (Post-Crisis)
• Big Barda (Post-Crisis)
• Red Tornado (Post-Crisis)
• The Weird (Post-Crisis)
• Anarky (Post-Crisis)
• Kilowog (Post-Crisis)
• Mother Boxes
• Plastic Man (Post-Crisis)
• Nix Uotan
• Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) (Post-Crisis)
• Kalibak
• Lightray
• Weapons Master
• Firestorm (Jason Rusch) (DC Comics)
• Green Lantern Power Ring
• Black Hand
• Starfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Blackfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Brainiac (Post-Crisis)
• Livewire (Post-Crisis)
• Sodam Yat

This are the ones that still scale to 4-B instead of 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I think that needs to be corrected then.

Help would be very appreciated.

 

[Spinoirr]

So uh what do we do about the other DC Comics Cosmology by other writers, because like we can't ignore them tbh

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So uh what do we do about the other DC Comics Cosmology by other writers, because like we can't ignore them tbh

That doesn't have anything to do with heralds scaling.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, lots of DC Comics characters still need to have their statistics updated, and it has been several months of seeming wiki inactivity in this area now.

Are you and other members currently preparing to revise our pages?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm in the middle of revising Aquaman, who's the last important character, but Imgur broke on me so it'll take a while more.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

Here is the advice that I have received about Imgur images, but I do not know if it is accurate.

1. Being logged in with an anonymous account to Imgur when uploading images there significantly reduces the risk of having them deleted later.
2. Imgur also allegedly breaks private links at some point. So if we make them public they likely turn visible again.
3. Directly linking to the images may bypass the 404 error messages.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So I compiled a bunch of Aquaman scaling feats I could find and I wanna place it here for evaluation before I make any full rating. If there's anything to add, pls send it here.

Emirp sumitpo/sandbox3

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

\ I'm looking at Wonder Woman being Universe Level for punching out Kalibak and.....she hurt him but didn't punch him out.

You can see he's still up in his Superman guise and just leaves, which is part of Darkseid's plan.

As for Kyle scaling to Grayven, I have no problem with, but Grayven's only Half New God and his track record is so bad, that Darkseid constantly calls him a disappointment and doubts Grayven is his son.

I'd personally rank Grayven more on the Galaxy level since he's "ravaged Galaxies" and soloed Darkstars, but got oneshot by Ion-Kyle and Superman multiple times

Does all that make sense?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm looking at Wonder Woman being Universe Level for punching out Kalibak and.....she hurt him but didn't punch him out.

You can see he's still up in his Superman guise and just leaves, which is part of Darkseid's plan.

I think it should be rephrased

I'd personally rank Grayven more on the Galaxy level since he's "ravaged Galaxies" and soloed Darkstars

That wouldn't necessarily be 3-C. It could've been done overtime, or it could be referring to more conquering or the life. Unless you have more context, this would be a bit unquantifiable.

Plus Grayven should at least upscale from the lower level New Gods, who are Low 2-C. And I don't see how the last part would really be an Anti-Feat?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok so two things about the space sector. We don't actually have a stated size for a space sector, but we have two options.

The Lowball - Using this would get us 3-B bare minimum for a space sector.


The Highball - Assuming that each sector of the universe are all comparable in size and that every part of the universe exists within a sector, this gets us 3-A just due to the sheer size of the DC universe. While it may seem very off putting, remember, DC's universe is just canonically much larger than outs, so obviously their space sectors would follow suite.

Ok so going back to this, some things I've realized about our 3-C ratings.

Flodo's feat technically falls under High 3-A, as text states

But where Flodo is a center with an infinite circumference - Driq is a circumference with a finite center

And back to the space sector size thing, it is stated that Hal's sector is Infinite in size. Going off of this chart, it's fair to assume all space sectors are equal in size, which would make Quarzz Tehrarhni's feat also High 3-A.

As far as scaling goes, both of these are portrayed as very clear upper limits for a regular Green Lantern, meaning that only the more Elite Lanterns like Hal and Sinestro for instance, would upscale from such things.

 

[Antvasima]

Are you and your team of contributors making any progress with updating our extremely unevenly tiered DC Comics characters, Emirp?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Are you and your team of contributors making any progress with updating our extremely unevenly tiered DC Comics characters, Emirp?

Aquaman should be done soon.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, and what about updating all of the pages for characters that scale from other characters?

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Ok so going back to this, some things I've realized about our 3-C ratings.

Flodo's feat technically falls under High 3-A, as text states


And back to the space sector size thing, it is stated that Hal's sector is Infinite in size.

Huh. Another Infinite space/infinite Universe statement for DC too.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

I think it should be rephrased


That wouldn't necessarily be 3-C. It could've been done overtime, or it could be referring to more conquering or the life. Unless you have more context, this would be a bit unquantifiable.

Plus Grayven should at least upscale from the lower level New Gods, who are Low 2-C. And I don't see how the last part would really be an Anti-Feat?

Oh, soloing Darkstars wasn't an antifeat, more of a supporting feat for 3-C since Darkstars are supposedly around the same level as Lanterns

 

[Stefano4444]

If nobody has a problem, i have free time to check and update the profiles's Tiers/Attack Potency/Durability/Striking Strength that are not locked, which are:

• Lobo (Post-Crisis)
• The Joker (Post-Crisis)
• Yellow Lantern Power Ring
• Circe (Post-Crisis)
• Maxima (Post-Crisis)
• Big Barda (Post-Crisis)
• Red Tornado (Post-Crisis)
• The Weird (Post-Crisis)
• Mother Boxes
• Plastic Man (Post-Crisis)
• Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) (Post-Crisis)
• Weapons Master
• Firestorm (Jason Rusch) (DC Comics)
• Green Lantern Power Ring
• Black Hand
• Starfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Blackfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Brainiac (Post-Crisis)
• Sodam Yat

 

[AerrowStorm1]

If nobody has a problem, i have free time to check and update the profiles's Tiers/Attack Potency/Durability/Striking Strength that are not locked, which are:

• Lobo (Post-Crisis)
• The Joker (Post-Crisis)
• Yellow Lantern Power Ring
• Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) (Post-Crisis)
• Ares (DC Comics)
• Aquaman (Post-Crisis)
• Circe (Post-Crisis)
• Maxima (Post-Crisis)
• Big Barda (Post-Crisis)
• Red Tornado (Post-Crisis)
• The Weird (Post-Crisis)
• Anarky (Post-Crisis)
• Kilowog (Post-Crisis)
• Mother Boxes
• Plastic Man (Post-Crisis)
• Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) (Post-Crisis)
• Weapons Master
• Firestorm (Jason Rusch) (DC Comics)
• Green Lantern Power Ring
• Black Hand
• Starfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Blackfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Brainiac (Post-Crisis)
• Livewire (Post-Crisis)
• Sodam Yat

Do what you gotta

 

[Stefano4444]

Do what you gotta

Ok, its near midnight where i live, i will start at tomorrow morning after i finish my daily tasks.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

If nobody has a problem, i have free time to check and update the profiles's Tiers/Attack Potency/Durability/Striking Strength that are not locked, which are:

• Lobo (Post-Crisis)
• The Joker (Post-Crisis)
• Yellow Lantern Power Ring
• Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) (Post-Crisis)
• Ares (DC Comics)
• Aquaman (Post-Crisis)
• Circe (Post-Crisis)
• Maxima (Post-Crisis)
• Big Barda (Post-Crisis)
• Red Tornado (Post-Crisis)
• The Weird (Post-Crisis)
• Anarky (Post-Crisis)
• Kilowog (Post-Crisis)
• Mother Boxes
• Plastic Man (Post-Crisis)
• Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) (Post-Crisis)
• Weapons Master
• Firestorm (Jason Rusch) (DC Comics)
• Green Lantern Power Ring
• Black Hand
• Starfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Blackfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Brainiac (Post-Crisis)
• Livewire (Post-Crisis)
• Sodam Yat

Leave Blue Beetle, Livewire, Anarky, Aquaman and Kilowog. I have some plans for them.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Stefano4444]

• Lobo (Post-Crisis)
• The Joker (Post-Crisis)
• Yellow Lantern Power Ring
• Circe (Post-Crisis)
• Maxima (Post-Crisis)
• Big Barda (Post-Crisis)
• Red Tornado (Post-Crisis)
• The Weird (Post-Crisis)
• Mother Boxes
• Plastic Man (Post-Crisis)
• Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) (Post-Crisis)
• Weapons Master
• Firestorm (Jason Rusch) (DC Comics)
• Green Lantern Power Ring
• Black Hand
• Starfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Blackfire (Pre-Flashpoint)
• Brainiac (Post-Crisis)
• Sodam Yat

Ok, i updated all the profiles above, most profiles needed only to just to change 4-B/Solar System level to 2-C/Low Multiverse, however the justification of some profiles needed to be alterated a bit, you all free to take a look for any incorrections or mistake on my part.

Beside i also update Donna Troy and Booster Gold.

 

[Theglassman12]

Don't know if it's relevant here or not, but I took a glance at The Spectre's page and noticed he has just 2-C ratings on his tier, but nearly every single key's attack potency is labeled as low multi, possibly multi+, is that gonna get fixed in the future?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Don't know if it's relevant here or not, but I took a glance at The Spectre's page and noticed he has just 2-C ratings on his tier, but nearly every single key's attack potency is labeled as low multi, possibly multi+, is that gonna get fixed in the future?

I looked through the page history and found that it was a poorly applied CRT, so I removed the "possibly 2-A" ratings.

The Spectre

The Spectre, in the time before time began, was a rebellious angel named Raguel who was seduced to Lucifer's side against the Presence, becoming the demon Aztar. When he repented his sins, begging the Presence for punishment and mercy, he was stripped of his identity, forgetting all he was and...

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[Stefano4444]

• General Zod (Post-Crisis)
• Batman (Post-Crisis)
• Superman (One Million)
• Superman (Kingdom Come)
• Mogo the Living Planet
• Ares (DC Comics)
• Star Sapphire (DC Comics)
• Nix Uotan
• Kalibak
• Lightray

This are still the profiles that need to be updated that are still locked, aside for the last two.

Anyway, TWILIGHT-OP inform me that i should link the crt on the revision next time i made any update, but where exactly i suppost to put it when i make a change in a profile?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Leave KC and OM Supes, Star Sapphire, Mogo and Zod to me.

 

[Antvasima]

I have unlocked those pages for you. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Stefano4444]

Just to know, everytime i make a change in a profile where i should link the related CRT to show why i made the change?

Forget the part above, i figure it out myself.

Anyway for Hades for justify his 2-C i can simply say that he had been consistently portrayed as stronger than Post-Crisis Wonder Woman? Or i need to link scans?

 

[Stefano4444]

Leave KC and OM Supes, Star Sapphire, Mogo and Zod to me.

I accidentaly updated Sapphire, Mogo and Zod too, sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

Does Superman's notes section need to be updated, given his current 2-C statistics?

Superman (Post-Crisis)

Superman is one of the most powerful beings on Earth and its greatest hero. Born to the illustrious House of El, Kal-El is one of the last surviving members of his race as his planet was destroyed not long after his birth. He was found and raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent in Smallville...

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[Theglassman12]

Which notes exactly?

 

[Antvasima]

The ones about lesser feats than 2-C being deemed as outliers.

 

[Theglassman12]

Uhh... where's that on the page because I don't see outliers showing up when I CTRL F.

 

[Hypertornado099]

The ones about lesser feats than 2-C being deemed as outliers.

This revision in 2023 removed the note which said

• After extensive discussions over the years, it has been decided that the most reliable peak rating for the Post-Eradicator Absorption version of Superman is 4-B. Any feats higher than that have been deemed to be outliers, have canonicity issues, be unreliable, or subject to standard extremely inconsistent superhero comicbook power-scaling.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They no longer apply anymore so removing it is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

What about the mentions of the Sun Eater, the Void Hound, and Starbreaker?

 

[LordTracer]

Anyway for Hades for justify his 2-C i can simply say that he had been consistently portrayed as stronger than Post-Crisis Wonder Woman? Or i need to link scans?

You would need to link scans, and preferably references as well, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

Does Superman's notes section need to be updated, given his current 2-C statistics?

Superman (Post-Crisis)

Superman is one of the most powerful beings on Earth and its greatest hero. Born to the illustrious House of El, Kal-El is one of the last surviving members of his race as his planet was destroyed not long after his birth. He was found and raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent in Smallville...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The ones about lesser feats than 2-C being deemed as outliers.

What about the mentions of the Sun Eater, the Void Hound, and Starbreaker?

So about this...

 

[Stefano4444]

You would need to link scans, and preferably references as well, yes.

I can take a look for scans later that i'm pretty busy for the moment.