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In conjunction with another thread I was looking into, I was trying to determine the source of Spectre's current Low 1-C key. It seems to primarily come from this thread by Prince of the Morning, and this sandbox was the Spectre profile he suggested.
Looking through past discussions on the subject, it seems that using the Thunderbolt/Yz feat to scale him to 5D Imps is generally considered unreliable. Even PotM had reservations. I think the specific subject of Spectre and Thunderbolt was overlooked because there were so many changes going on in the thread overall.
When looking back on past discussions, various DC-informed staff members have all rejected such scaling.
Ant:
Sandman31:
Further, the scaling is circular. Mxyzptlk went through a huge rework at the beginning of the year by Confluctor, and his current AP scaling reference beating the Spectre two different times.
Conclusion:
1. Spectre's Low 1-C scaling is based on a single showing against Thunderbolt. It also was not a drawn out fight, and simply involved Spectre sending Thunderbolt back to the 5th Dimension.
2. Thunderbolt hasn't been shown to be equal to Mxy and Bat-mite. To my knowledge the "second-wave" of 5D characters that Morrison made in JLA such as Yz, Lkz, and Qwsp have never interacted with the Mxy or Bat-Mite. In the story itself Qwsp was defeated by the 5-D police showing up and arresting him. And Yz forced himself to merge with Lkz, so there's clearly a hierarchy of how strong beings are from the 5th Dimension.
3. In the original storyline where Yz and Lkz were retconned into 5-D imps, they were shown to be more powerful than Spectre by trapping him in a planet. It's clear that Yz is not always as powerful as he was in that storyline, because otherwise Jakeem Thunder would demolish everyone he fights, and he doesn't.
4. Part of Mxy's scaling includes two instances of defeating Spectre. So they shouldn't scale to each other.
In conjunction with another thread I was looking into, I was trying to determine the source of Spectre's current Low 1-C key. It seems to primarily come from this thread by Prince of the Morning, and this sandbox was the Spectre profile he suggested.
Looking through past discussions on the subject, it seems that using the Thunderbolt/Yz feat to scale him to 5D Imps is generally considered unreliable. Even PotM had reservations. I think the specific subject of Spectre and Thunderbolt was overlooked because there were so many changes going on in the thread overall.
When looking back on past discussions, various DC-informed staff members have all rejected such scaling.
Ant:
Sandman31:
Further, the scaling is circular. Mxyzptlk went through a huge rework at the beginning of the year by Confluctor, and his current AP scaling reference beating the Spectre two different times.
Conclusion:
1. Spectre's Low 1-C scaling is based on a single showing against Thunderbolt. It also was not a drawn out fight, and simply involved Spectre sending Thunderbolt back to the 5th Dimension.
2. Thunderbolt hasn't been shown to be equal to Mxy and Bat-mite. To my knowledge the "second-wave" of 5D characters that Morrison made in JLA such as Yz, Lkz, and Qwsp have never interacted with the Mxy or Bat-Mite. In the story itself Qwsp was defeated by the 5-D police showing up and arresting him. And Yz forced himself to merge with Lkz, so there's clearly a hierarchy of how strong beings are from the 5th Dimension.
3. In the original storyline where Yz and Lkz were retconned into 5-D imps, they were shown to be more powerful than Spectre by trapping him in a planet. It's clear that Yz is not always as powerful as he was in that storyline, because otherwise Jakeem Thunder would demolish everyone he fights, and he doesn't.
4. Part of Mxy's scaling includes two instances of defeating Spectre. So they shouldn't scale to each other.
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