There is a world of difference between the ******* early golden age and early post-crisis. Almost all Golden Age stories basically had no continuity, the whole point of post-crisis is that it would. So no, it's absolutely not standalone. You can do a key split but you still need to account for the greater picture.
To clarify, you are fine with the Tier 6 key addition, but you want us to further determine the impact this has on other characters in this era?
No, I am fine with a key split since Superman does go through a boost in power, but it would likely just be something along the lines of "Varies up to 5-A | Varies up to 5-A, up to 4-B at peak" or "Varies up to 5-A, up to 4-B at peak | Varies up to 5-A, up to 4-B at peak" when accounting for scaling, with the latter just being stronger
With this in mind, can we agree with the following for the Pre-Absorption Key?
The only 6-C limit feat is something Superman didn't take much effort to do, and isn't even a limit
No, "from" implies it's his absolute lowest level, I dunno if what you've gathered really shows that. I mean, technically his lowest power level is 9-B or whatever under Red Sunlight
I'm referencing the durability feat limits.
None of these are 6-C durability limits
Red Sun environment stats would be outside of his standard conditions. We would just leave that under his weaknesses, removing his powers.
Honestly we should probably just add the ratings to the profile, something like Varies, up to 5-A, up to 4-B at peak, [Whatever] without Yellow Sunlight, but that's a different topic altogether, would need research and shit.
From my list prior, his lower durability limits to Tier 7.
yeah but we don't know that's his bottom limit lol, for all we know he could go as low as 8-B or something
I am personally fine with us using either of the above options, but want proper explanations for why he should be rated as 5-A at all first.
We're not ignoring it, his Varies mechanism acknowledges that already since he can be any tier below 5-A. Also he's not being consistently portrayed as 6-C at all given he also gets hurt by things that aren't even halfway through tier 7.
Tell me about it.
A little generous, tier-9, even tier-10 could be his limit considering all the mechanisms: mental, emotional and environmental, to name a few that fluctuate his power.
More like " tremendously ", and it still not a strong word because Superman can be as powerful as a human, which was the point of showing how vulnerable Superman is as Clark Kent (a man) as opposed to what he can be as Kal-El (Superman) during the Superman Blue/Red era.
That can be fair, 4-B DC should probably scale to way less people than it currently does (and also not exist since the calcs are invalid but some other "peak" rating would take its place, whether higher or lower)
This. High 5-A via John Stewart’s calc would be better, at least until we get other calcs.
There will be no scaling nightmare if we simply acknowledge how Post-Crisis Superman genuinely was portrayed early on in his career within his own profile page, scale no other characters from it, with the possible exception of Doomsday, and include an explanatory footnote though. I don't see how this is different from how we have scaled the Golden Age version of Superman.
I would not personally particularly mind this approach, but I prefer Firestorm's current draft, as I do not think that early Post-Crisis Superman ever displayed anything remotely approaching a 5-A power level.
Especially here. The problem isn’t people scaling to Superman, it’s that you want to ignore Superman’s scaling to everyone else.
To clarify, who is Superman reliably scaling to in this era and why?
Doomsday? The guy whose defining character moment is stomping the rest of the JL? Don't you think it'd be a bit weird to rate him as millions of times weaker than a freshly-recruited fodder Green Lantern?
His tier is currently variable already. But it would be misinformation to say he goes from 6-C or whatever up to 5-A, since his actual lower limit is way below 6-C.
