Took a bit to get this response out, so thanks for the patience.
Our PRM page makes it so.
We know their main ability is to create construct but Hal Jordan created a universe inside his ring what prove is there he can create an Actual universe outside the ring?
Creating a universe inside his ring or having a Universe inside it isn't AP.
Just checked the PRM page and I don't see what would automatically make it that. So until there's evidence as to why it's just hax rather than what we know the Lanterns are known for.
I don't know what this proved but lantern rings being low on power has nothing to do with the power output they can bring out all depends on willpower.
First off, the power output is dependent on their charge, not only do Maverick's examples show this,
but it's even noted on our own GL ring page.
That was never even the point though. The point is the existence of the Universe is dependent on the ring's charge (
and Hal himself), and to sustain an infinite Universe, it'd require Infinite energy. Hal's attacks can take more energy than sustaining the ring, so they'd upscale from said energy.
From the perspective of a person within a micro-verse, yes, it would seem infinite as well. It would just be a smaller subset of infinity compared to the standard universe.
It's safe to say there is a qualitative difference between a parallel universe and a universe within a ring which would be a micro-verse.
I don't see any reason to take the Lantern Tech's words as random. The storyline was meant to go into detail on the world within the ring, and they described the method to leave to go back to the standard universe.
What do you mean by a smaller subset of infinity? If you mean like a lower dimensional structure, that seems like a very weird assumption without much backing.
If anything the narrative has been showing how truly expansive these Universes are, and this also isn't a defeater to my points. Sure, they know Lantern tech, but Hal literally had to become the master of his own Universe to understand it, and his size there isn't even a consistent thing to go off of.
Also, Hal himself questions
the size of the Universes, while also wondering if maybe he was just big, and then later goes on to treat them as a full Infinite-sized area, so it seems like his progression of opinion suggests it's not a some lower dimensional Universe.
- Hal Jordan has survived attacks from Sinestro possessing the Central Battery(Green Lantern Corps Vol. 1 #224, May 1988)
- Context: 11 Guardians give Hal power for his task. Ganthet is revitalized by entering the lantern. A Snake construct drains a significant amount of Hal's energy. Sinestro's mind takes over the core of the CPB. Hal is restrained by Sinestro. Sinestro absorbs Hal's remaining power before he starts slowly killing him. Ganthet is revitalized by entering the lantern. Ganthet bestows a portion of his power to Hal. The revitalized Hal is still unable to fight Sinestro directly, but still taking energy blasts. So, Hal removes the Yellow impurity from the core to weaken and remove Sinestro.
- Unsure - I'm unsure if we can scale Hal from this because of a lot of Guardian meddling. To my knowledge, it didn't collect all the energy yet, so I'm unsure how to rate this quantity. Scaling the Guardians seems fine.
My bad on missing Hal being amped, just refer to the other Entity scales and Superman taking attacks from Molly with the power of the GLC Central Battery instead. There's also stuff for characters scaling to Cyborg Superman with the power of the ES, particularly the full extent of the Green.
Also, the power doesn't increase to become Universal,
it's just that all the energy comes in to make a buildup, with a buildup meaning "assemble or accumulate something by putting parts or material together", not getting any greater.
- Ganthet creates a construct to shield himself from the Big Bang(Green Lantern: Ganthet's Tale, November 1992)
- Context: Krona created a time viewer to see the beginning of the universe. A searing bolt of cosmic force shattered Krona's great machine and damaged his lab. Ganthet also constructs a time viewer to see the beginning as well. Gantehet experienced the same explosive result.
- Disagree - Neither Krona nor Ganthet actually experienced the force of the big bang, just their time viewer shattering. Otherwise, the entire planet would have blown up from the big bang.
I'm not sure why his green bubble with be the time viewer?
He doesn't even have the have a green bubble around him until the explosion, further implying that's his construct.
- Kyle Rayner survives being blown away by the Zero Hour Big Bang(Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, September 1994)
- Context: Green Lantern Vol 3 #0, October 1994 - Following Zero Hour, Parallax Hal and Kyle are in a tunnel. Parallax Hal explains: They were outside of time when the universe was being recreated. Waverider created a rift to re-enter reality at the precise moment or be lost forever. Most of Hal's power was gone. He linked with Waverider's rift and formed a vortex to bring himself back to Oa. Kyle was drawn along.
- Disagree - It got retconned as to how they survived. They didn't actually take the force of the blast and be lost forever.
There's no retcon. They
were at ground zero, and
while he did connect to Waverider's rift, and when he reenters the timestream,
it's pages after he says they were blown away by the big bang. Essentially, the sequence of events is that Kyle and Hal get hit by it, and then they link to a rift that was created well after Waverider mentions them getting blasted.
Oops, this was a typo on my part, I meant to say individual power batteries.
Never really been too jazzed with the Anarky thing so I'll just skip that, someone else can argue for that if they want.
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- The Guardians believed Kyle Rayner could kill Alan Scott possessed by the Starheart, (Justice League of America Vol. 2 #47, September 2010),
- Kyle fought an Obsidian/Jade mergewhile gradually losing power (Justice League of America Vol. 2 #48, October 2010),
- both the halves of the light and dark of the Starheart(Justice Society of America Vol. 3 #42, October 2010),
- The Starheart can obliterate reality (DC Comics Official Website)
- Unsure - Did the storyline specify how it would obliterate reality? A blast? A gradual thing? Etc?
Not sure, but via Occam's Razor, I don't see why we'd go beyond the most simple interpretation rather than overloading the statement with things not implied. As for the timeframe, it's treated as an urgent thing that would happen after he beats Kyle, going off of the "obliterate the good in GL's life, and all of reality".
- The Human Lanterns were able to fight Guardians with the powers of the Emotional Entities(Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011), with Entity-level scaling overall being consistent
- Unsure - They say that the Possessed Guardians are impervious to their ring. If we saw them facing a different possessed being and did sizeable damage like Atrocitus, I would be more willing to agree.
I believe the impervious statement is in reference to how
Lanterns aren't supposed to be able to kill Guardians. We see in the scans they could take attacks from, restrain, and blast them, so I think it's fair to say they're in the same tier.
- Hal Jordan sent tremors across the entire Emotional Spectrum(Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps September, 2016),
- Unsure - While I agree that Hal sent tremors through the Spectrum, nothing suggests that it went past the current universe. With Hal using his hammer, isn't it like the waves from a pebble in a pond analogy? How should something like this be rated?
- The spectrum has been called an infinite web of interlinked planes and realms(The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained, November, 2021)
- "Continuities populated by numberless races and species are connected in infinite webs of interlinked planes, realms, domains, and energy fields such as the Speed Force or the Emotional Spectrum."
- Disagree - The Spectrum itself isn't an infinite web of interlinked planes and realms. The above can be shortened to Continuities populated by numberless races and species are connected in infinite webs of interlinked energy fields such as the Speed Force or the Emotional Spectrum
I'm not sure why Hal sending tremors is a "waves from a pebble in a pond" analogy, or what that even suggests.
The spectrum is blatantly called an infinite web of interlinked planes, the "such as" directly follows the infinite webs part. Those sorts of energy fields are also descriptions of the ES and SF, and if those aren't what they were supposed to be examples of, what was?
Also, looking back at it, if anything, since the ES is the power source for many tier 2 beings like entities, WLs, and so on, this could probably make sense as a tier 2 feat.
- Hal Jordan stops a bomb that could affect all matter in the Universe and destroy it(The Green Lantern Vol. 1 #6, June 2019)
- Context: The U-Bomb's detonation would cause all matter in the universe to bind to a compressed quark core.
- "We're divering all the power you need from the central battery reserves. Disarm the U-Bomb!"
- "All we know is this -- prior to his disappearance, an energy output was recorded equivalent to ten-to-the-44th-power joules."
- The Green Lantern Vol 1 #7 July 2019
- Using the Central Power Battery, Hal stops the detonation, is shot into deep space, and is miniaturized into his ring.
- "There was a U-Bomb. I had to disarm it. Guardians diverted the entire output of the Central Battery through my power ring--shot us into deep space-- enough energy to kill me, but the ring-- the ting would to anything to keep me alive--
- Unsure - Do we take the context as the Central Power Battery is his limit of his power channeling in this case? Did Hal not have the energy at the time to perform the task on his own?
That could be a possible way to look at it, but either way considering Hal has scaling to the CPB that you've agreed to, I don't think he can infinitely downscale from feats when amped by it.
The AP vs DC point isn't really relevant here, granted we know stuff like the size of constructs is dependent on concentration so maybe a point could be made. The importance is it not being a focused attack, something Lanterns need to access their full power.
- John Stewart also has his feat of creating a Solar System in Green Lantern #26, which has been used as a High 4-C supporting feat. This feat is a limit, as it was only temporary and required the full limits of the ring, but not a limit of Attack Potency, but rather to how complex his constructs can be, and how long he can hold them. This is demonstrably not correlated to power, as even Hal Jordan could only temporarily recreate a city before running out of charge, as seen in Green Lantern #48.
- Disagree - John's ring said nothing about the complexity of structures. "Warning: Willpower exceeding Power Ring Capabilities." From that warning, his Ring can't go past the current energy output of willpower to maintain the structure.
I feel like you didn't look through this much.
While it never said it was for complexity, it also never says it's for the power. Willpower exceeding the Capabilities doesn't have to mean it's due to his energy output, it just means it's hard for him to hold. And the example of Hal Jordan only temporarily making the city shows that it's harder to maintain complex structures.
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