DC Comics: Follow-ups - Bleedspace

[NHTkenshin2]

Last one was a little bit of a clusterfuck, so lets do something more solid. (This is probably the 19th currently active DC thread)

The Bleed needs to get its first rating back, its pretty clear it is a literal higher dimensional bulk containing 4-D universes.

The Multiverse works on M-theory and Branes, Grant has made it exceedingly clear that his vision on the Multiverse is inspired by M-theory numerous times. With the Bleedspace representing the space between spacetime continuums (Final Crisis #5) and the bulk (Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1) that encompasses all of said universes in a higher-dimensional hyperspace. (Grant Morrison Newsarama interview)

The Bleed itself is regularly defined as the literal Blood of the Multiverse (Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #2), being miracle Ultramenstruum, the material that gives ultimate power (Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1) over stories

• Draining the bleed out of the Universe is draining the meaning, characters and stories out of the Universe | Grant Morrisons Newsarama Interview
• All of this is consistent with GM referring to The Bleed as the life of the stories | Supergods

All of these hinting at the Bleed being beyond the regular framework of 52 spacetime continuums.

An argument to be made against this is that Superman required 4-D vision to even comprehend the Bleed, however this is literally supporting evidence for 5-D Bleed, considering we as humans, exist in 3 Dimensions, we view things and are technically incapable of seeing depth, thus view things in 2 Dimensions, while our own Universe is hypothetically 4 dimensional. Supermans vision however, transcended 2-D by two entire dimensions, just to comprehend the Bleed.

This is also still consistent with Snyder, considering he uses Grants Multiversity map, has referenced M-theory in interviews as still existing within his map, so will have to agree on the bare minimum that Snyder believes that the Bleed is a bulk encompassing universes, and does consider Earths to be separate spacetime continuums, logically within a higher space containing said universes.

We all already know that the space within a Multiverse that encompasses universes has to be considered higher dimensional to some extent, and DC just said it out loud. So this shouldn't be controversial

Its also all pretty consistent with Multiversity claiming that the Bleed rotated around the Fifth-dimension, and requiring to sail through Higher M-theory dimensions. (The Authority #1) One might think this would be referring to the Fifth dimension we all know and love, however this was 5 whole years before Snyder incorporated his vision for the Fifth dimension as being the blood of the Multiversity map, and within pre-snyder Morrison works, is regularly contradicted:

• The Fifth Dimension can be affected by physical fields and gravity | Action Comics #14 - November, 2012
• Imps originate from a higher mathematical dimension | Action Comics #15 - February 2013
  • Snyder has made it very clear that his dimensions are not physics based, but are simply layers of the Multiverse | Exploring the DC Multiverse & Nocterra with Scott Snyder - September 2019
  • Within this specific tidbit, we get a handful of information
    • 1. Scott does not consider his dimensions to be spatial or physics based
    • 2. And explicitly distinguishes them from physics based dimensions. Saying that these too, still exist
    • 3. Scott described the Fifth Dimension as imagination, and the Fourth to be a product of imagination, being a faith, supernatural and belief based dimension.

So i believe it should be clear that Rodney Rabbits statement would obviously refer to a 5-Dimensional level of existence. And not actually be related to the later interpretations of the Fifth dimension. Considering Snyder considers it to be completely abstract, devoid of anything physical, and Pre-Snyder Morrison clearly considers it some form of higher geometrical dimension.

However this does kinda bring up other arguments like the 8-D mobius loop, 6-D Imp cage, the House of Heros being Pan-dimensional and the Rock of Eternity also being Pan-dimensional and touching all levels of spacetime. 1-B Orrery reeeeeeee

So? Pretty simple, re-upgrade the Bleedspace to Low Complex Multiverse level, as that it is a hyperspatial bulk encompassing Spacetime continuums that give life and ink to universes, and exists in 5 dimensions.

The Sphere scales, via existing higher on the vibrational spectrum, making it Low 1-C. And from there, Monitor Sphere and the Real Fifth Dimension become 6-D, and from there, blah blah blah becomes whatever-D

Alright, Please? This seems very simple and straightforward, i dont think this is a controversial addition?


Note: arguments usually require evidence, i will personally congratulate you for every scan you post. AND give you a thumbs up, AND speak very fondly about you to my billions of followers on Quora. ❤

 

[Gasper]

Looks fine to me.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

The Bleed needs to get its first rating back, its pretty clear it is a literal higher dimensional bulk containing 4-D universes.

“Higher dimension” does not scale anywhere without the context of Qualitative Superiority. The Bleed is located as space between the Universes in the Orrery which is 4D. These parallel dimensions would rather be a subset of that 4D cluster within the immense bulk. We cannot also know if they are spatiotemporal rather than just parallel dimensions within the Orrery.

The Multiverse works on M-theory and Branes, Grant has made it exceedingly clear that his vision on the Multiverse is inspired by M-theory numerous times. With the Bleedspace representing the space between spacetime continuums (Final Crisis #5) and the bulk (Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1) that encompasses all of said universes in a higher-dimensional hyperspace. (Grant Morrison Newsarama interview)

This “interpretation” of what was said is rather a bit conspicuous. It sounds more like between the passing Universes is the bleed that travels in a hyperspace. Hyperspace is the concept of a movement in a higher dimension but it never is regarded with the Universes in question. Plus interviews are only as accurate as they are to be misinterpreted especially when the stories don't support it.

The Bleed itself is regularly defined as the literal Blood of the Multiverse (Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #2), being miracle Ultramenstruum, the material that gives ultimate power (Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1) over stories

This has no grounded basis as to what it's trying to achieve with words like “ultimate.”

• Draining the bleed out of the Universe is draining the meaning, characters and stories out of the Universe | Grant Morrisons Newsarama Interview

This is talking about Mandrakk draining the Multiverse dry as a metaphor because his a cosmic parasite. It's not a direct reference nor is it talking about the Bleed.

• All of this is consistent with GM referring to The Bleed as the life of the stories | Supergods

His referring to Mandrakk draining the Multiverse dry of its story material. It's much more than just draining the Bleed which has this effect.

All of these hinting at the Bleed being beyond the regular framework of 52 spacetime continuums.

What information was given that suggests this?

An argument to be made against this is that Superman required 4-D vision to even comprehend the Bleed, however this is literally supporting evidence for 5-D Bleed, considering we as humans, exist in 3 Dimensions, we view things and are technically incapable of seeing depth, thus view things in 2 Dimensions, while our own Universe is hypothetically 4 dimensional. Supermans vision however, transcended 2-D by two entire dimensions, just to comprehend the Bleed.

That's not how dimensionality works. If you're in a 4D space and your perception was upgraded. You’re still 3D but in a 4D space because what geometrical dimension so what was added to the previous? To comprehend did not mean he became 4D.

This is also still consistent with Snyder, considering he uses Grants Multiversity map, has referenced M-theory in interviews as still existing within his map, so will have to agree on the bare minimum that Snyder believes that the Bleed is a bulk encompassing universes, and does consider Earths to be separate spacetime continuums, logically within a higher space containing said universes.

Grants Multiversity Map being used does not mean there is support for M-Theory. Not to mention there isn't a higher space containing it. The Bleed separates them but exists within the space between the Universes.

We all already know that the space within a Multiverse that encompasses universes has to be considered higher dimensional to some extent, and DC just said it out loud. So this shouldn't be controversial

Yeah, because the Universes are 3D.

Its also all pretty consistent with Multiversity claiming that the Bleed rotated around the Fifth-dimension, and requiring to sail through Higher M-theory dimensions.(The Authority #1) One might think this would be referring to the Fifth dimension we all know and love, however this was 5 whole years before Snyder incorporated his vision for the Fifth dimension as being the blood of the Multiversity map, and within pre-snyder Morrison works, is regularly contradicted:

Connecting empty dots.

• The Fifth Dimension can be affected by physical fields and gravity | Action Comics #14 - November, 2012

This doesn't help you it does the opposite.

• Imps originate from a higher mathematical dimension | Action Comics #15 - February 2013

In reference to a 4D Orrery the yes because it is geometrically one dimension above.

• Snyder has made it very clear that his dimensions are not physics based, but are simply layers of the Multiverse | Exploring the DC Multiverse & Nocterra with Scott Snyder - September 2019

It's his canon and his work is the most current.

• 1. Scott does not consider his dimensions to be spatial or physics based
• 2. And explicitly distinguishes them from physics based dimensions. Saying that these too, still exist
• 3. Scott described the Fifth Dimension as imagination, and the Fourth to be a product of imagination, being a faith, supernatural and belief based dimension.

The first point is fine but the rest is your fan canon.

So i believe it should be clear that Rodney Rabbits statement would obviously refer to a 5-Dimensional level of existence. And not actually be related to the later interpretations of the Fifth dimension. Considering Snyder considers it to be completely abstract, devoid of anything physical, and Pre-Snyder Morrison clearly considers it some form of higher geometrical dimension.

Ok, but Synder's work is the current info. We use his logic first.

However this does kinda bring up other arguments like the 8-D mobius loop, 6-D Imp cage, the House of Heros being Pan-dimensional and the Rock of Eternity also being Pan-dimensional and touching all levels of spacetime. 1-B Orrery reeeeeeee

Doesn't get referenced in the same lighting as Synder's work.

So? Pretty simple, re-upgrade the Bleedspace to Low Complex Multiverse level, as that it is a hyperspatial bulk encompassing Spacetime continuums that give life and ink to universes, and exists in 5 dimensions.

It's not 5D that's the problem.

The Sphere scales, via existing higher on the vibrational spectrum, making it Low 1-C. And from there, Monitor Sphere and the Real Fifth Dimension become 6-D, and from there, blah blah blah becomes whatever-D

Not how dimensionality works. You're missing context to “higher-vibrational frequency.”

 

[Kroneii1]

An argument to be made against this is that Superman required 4-D vision to even comprehend the Bleed, however this is literally supporting evidence for 5-D Bleed, considering we as humans, exist in 3 Dimensions, we view things and are technically incapable of seeing depth, thus view things in 2 Dimensions, while our own Universe is hypothetically 4 dimensional. Supermans vision however, transcended 2-D by two entire dimensions, just to comprehend the Bleed.

Idk how this is evidence to give 5D to the bleedspace.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Spoiler: Matt

The Bleed is located as space between the Universes in the Orrery which is 4D.

As well as the space encompassing 4-D universes.

We cannot also know if they are spatiotemporal rather than just parallel dimensions within the Orrery.

We do know though, we already know that these Earths are separate timelines, thats like the basic structure of any Multiversal cosmology, DC Comics specifically.

Hyperspace is the concept of a movement in a higher dimension but it never is regarded with the Universes in question.

Hyperspace is associated with a higher dimensional space. In the context of this specific interview it is referring to 4-D spacetime continuums, and a “Hyperspace" encompassing them. It's like the most straightforward case of 5-D ever

Plus interviews are only as accurate as they are to be misinterpreted especially when the stories don't support it.

Thats the thing, that scan is quite literally the basics of what a “space encompassing universes" or a “Bulk" is, and there is negative evidence that anything contradicts this, unless someone comes along and says the Bleed is not the space encompassing universes.

Till then, this interview is fact.

It's not a direct reference nor is it talking about the Bleed.

We quite literally know it is referring to the Bleed.

What information was given that suggests this?

The Bleed is pretty much the material defining stories and shit. It would essentially define the framework of a narrative, as well as encompass it in a higher space.

That's not how dimensionality works. If you're in a 4D space and your perception was upgraded. You’re still 3D but in a 4D space because one is a geometrical dimension so what was added to the previous? To comprehend did not mean he became 4D.

I never claimed Supes became 4-D though, thats a complete misinterpretation.

Its the idea that we view in 2-D and exist in 3-D, while Supes quite literally now viewed in 4-D. Its direct evidence that The Bleed itself has more then 4-Dimensions.

Grants Multiversity Map being used does not mean there is support for M-Theory.

Snyder has literally said in that interview that he believes in 11 dimensions, and believes in the stuff from Multiversity, we already accept that. I use it here as direct evidence Snyder acknowledges the idea of the Bulk (i mean literally just look up its meaning, its the bare minimum)

Eitherway, we already accept Multiversity to be a part of the Snyder/Tynion verse. So this shouldn't be controversial.

The Bleed separates them but exists within the space between the Universes.

The Bleed IS the space between the Universes, big difference.

Yeah, because the Universes are 3D.

Earths are not regular 3-D universes, not only does that go against statements from all three authors, it goes directly against the whole idea of the DC multiverse, the encompass of different timelines.

Connecting empty dots.

This doesn't help you it does the opposite.

In reference to a 4D Orrery the yes because it is geometrically one dimension above.

What does all of this mean. I am having trouble understanding you.

It's his canon and his work is the most current.

I think you quickly read the thread, without closely looking into it.

The whole idea is that Morrison was clearly not referring to Snyders 5th dimension while referring to the Fifth dimension in Multiversity, but clearly a 5 dimensional space, as that Morrison at the time interpreted as some type of physics based dimension, while Snyder considers it a nigh-omnipresent, abstract, non-physics based, layer of the Multiverse.

The first point is fine but the rest is your fan canon.

How is the rest fan canon, what. Both Snyder and Tyler literally said in the Imaginary axis interview that physical dimensions still exist within the verse, if they didn't we literally wouldn't have had a god damn comic to begin with, everything would have been non-dimensional, how is that fan canon it's like the bare minimum. And Snyder surely agrees with that, considering we do already know that within the Multiverse exists stuff like 8-D Mobius loops which you already agree on.

And how is the third one fan canon dawg we literally know things like the Sphere of gods exist. Why are you making baseless claims that you yourself surely have to disagree on

Ok, but Synder's work is the current info. We use his logic first.

It is, i already agree with that. Stop rushing responses and take time with them, read this thread further, some of my basis comes directly from stuff from Snyders works.

Not how dimensionality works. You're missing context to “higher-vibrational frequency.”

Morrison has explicitly said numerous times that these vibrations dictate where you exist in the Multiversity map.

The Bleed vibrates in 5-D, thus the Sphere existing beyond that should make it vibrate in an equally complex space, if not higher (but within the same dimension)

Idk how this is evidence to give 5D to the bleedspace.

Ayy you're here.

I explained it to Goofy above, the idea that we view the universe in 2-D in a 3-D existence, and Superman required 4-D vision to merely comprehend the Bleed implies its more then 4-D, combine that with the other stuff, and yeah, it'd make sense why its like that.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

As well as the space encompassing 4-D universes.

It's in-between the Universes so it covers all parts of the space between the Univeres in the Orrery. It would still be 4-D by that logic. Encompassing is not transcending.

We do know though, we already know that these Earths are separate timelines, thats like the basic structure of any Multiversal cosmology, DC Comics specifically.

This has nothing to do with parallel dimensions. Having a separate timeline with each Earth is because each Universe has its own “time” in a 4-D structure. A parallel dimension is within the Bleed for separating timeline branches not within the 52 worlds.

Hyperspace is associated with a higher dimensional space. In the context of this specific interview it is referring to 4-D spacetime continuums, and a “Hyperspace" encompassing them. It's like the most straightforward case of 5-D ever

The specific highlighted part is talking about the space between the two Universe which are 3-D is encompassed by a Bulk that is 4-D due to it being within a 4-D structure(Orrery). If it mentions the entire structure of the Orrery then the Orrery would instead be 5-D thus so would the Bleed.

Thats the thing, that scan is quite literally the basics of what a “space encompassing universes" or a “Bulk" is, and there is negative evidence that anything contradicts this, unless someone comes along and says the Bleed is not the space encompassing universes.

Till then, this interview is fact.

The encompassing is of the space between the Universes in the Orrery. So there is no reference to it being higher than the structure containing the Bleedspace of individual Universes.

We quite literally know it is referring to the Bleed.

The interview is not referring to Mandrakk holding the Elixir of Bleed. It's talking about the draining story material of the Multiverse. The nature of the Monitors is these sorts of parasites hence why he said “only be consumed by us.” His not in the Orrery which is the “local Multiverse” where he is going to drain it dry as in destroy it. He was targeting the Orrery which if he did destroy it will also break apart the Bulk that acts as a membrane in the spaces between the Universes.

The Bleed is pretty much the material defining stories and shit. It would essentially define the framework of a narrative, as well as encompass it in a higher space.

In the story, we clearly know that story has been referenced as the Multiverse which is the structure known as the Orrery. The Bleed is in the Orrery where the spaces between the Universes are. So this higher space would be a reference to the Universes spaces it encompasses.

I never claimed Supes became 4-D though, thats a complete misinterpretation.

Its the idea that we view in 2-D and exist in 3-D, while Supes quite literally now viewed in 4-D. Its direct evidence that The Bleed itself has more then 4-Dimensions.

If he needed 4-D vision to see then it would be 4-D. It's not stacking dimensionality as you were suggesting. The whole point would have to be aforementioned as Superman being 4-D. Superman is still 2-D and views in 3-D his vision was just upgraded as Zillo Villa speifically mentioned.

Snyder has literally said in that interview that he believes in 11 dimensions, and believes in the stuff from Multiversity, we already accept that. I use it here as direct evidence Snyder acknowledges the idea of the Bulk (i mean literally just look up its meaning, its the bare minimum)

Eitherway, we already accept Multiversity to be a part of the Snyder/Tynion verse. So this shouldn't be controversial.

I can guarantee you I knew the meaning long before you when Michael Julius spouted about these things ages ago.

More importantly, is that they are using many of the ideas Grant had implemented with their own version of Cosmology. Snyder doesn't seem to acknowledge more than 4-D as a geometrical dimension and the others are simply just a level of reality.

The Bleed IS the space between the Universes, big difference.

I didn't say that the Bleedspace exists within the Bleed. The wording there might have thrown you off but I was talking about your “higher space” theory of the Bleed being a lot more than 4-D. I wasn't saying it itself exists in the space that it defines or that whatever I said earlier would be contradicted by my own words.

Earths are not regular 3-D universes, not only does that go against statements from all three authors, it goes directly against the whole idea of the DC multiverse, the encompass of different timelines.

These timelines exist altogether in the Orrery. They are not simply 4-D because they have timelines and being from these Universes they are 3-D. 4-D is just a coordinating space that contains 3-D and that space is the Orrery, not the Universes themselves. Plus “Hyper” is described as anything more than 3-D in reference to DC would be a 4-D Hyperspace in which the Bleed exists on.

What does all of this mean. I am having trouble understanding you.

I split your reasoning therefore those points are for your individual points. They're not all in the same structure.

I think you quickly read the thread, without closely looking into it.

The whole idea is that Morrison was clearly not referring to Snyders 5th dimension while referring to the Fifth dimension in Multiversity, but clearly a 5 dimensional space, as that Morrison at the time interpreted as some type of physics based dimension, while Snyder considers it a nigh-omnipresent, abstract, non-physics based, a layer of the Multiverse.

His work was addressing the 5th Dimension which is outside the Orrery and beyond the Bleed. It's not “clearly” referring to a 5th-dimensional space which would albeit be referring to the same thing. Why would he mention geometrical dimension and leave out the 5th Dimension being that? The wording of Captain Carrot made it obviously clear that the “fix point” was being revolved “through” not around the 5th Dimension while still being in a 4-D structure(Orrery).

How is the rest fan canon, what. Both Snyder and Tyler literally said in the Imaginary axis interview that physical dimensions still exist within the verse, if they didn't we literally wouldn't have had a god damn comic to begin with, everything would have been non-dimensional, how is that fan canon it's like the bare minimum. And Snyder surely agrees with that, considering we do already know that within the Multiverse exists stuff like 8-D Mobius loops which you already agree on.

And how is the third one fan canon dawg we literally know things like the Sphere of gods exist. Why are you making baseless claims that you yourself surely have to disagree on

I literally question putting that in the thread to mix it with the new compacted mixes of Cosmology between Synder and Morrsion. Not to mention it hasn't been addressed or accounted for as of right now. Plus Elizio mentioned it applying only to the entire structure of the Multiverse while the Orerry would still be 4-D.

It is, I already agree with that. Stop rushing responses and take time with them, read this thread further, some of my basis comes directly from stuff from Snyders works.

You work with what you know because the author's Cosmology is merged. If it contradicts Synder then why would it go through? It's like you forgot the basics.

Morrison has explicitly said numerous times that these vibrations dictate where you exist in the Multiversity map.

The Bleed vibrates in 5-D, thus the Sphere existing beyond that should make it vibrate in an equally complex space, if not higher (but within the same dimension)

It doesn't vibrate at 5-D which there is no specific mention of. Rather it said each realm has a higher frequential vibrancy and the Bleed isn't of mention.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Spoiler: .

Encompassing is not transcending.

Again, read the rest of the post, i have not claimed that.

This has nothing to do with parallel dimensions. Having a separate timeline with each Earth is because each Universe has its own “time” in a 4-D structure. A parallel dimension is within the Bleed for separating timeline branches not within the 52 worlds.

So we agree.

The specific highlighted part is talking about the space between the two Universe which are 3-D

Again, this is objectively incorrect when you look at the map and you clearly see that the Bleed encompasses Earths, not just their 3 dimensional existences, which are spacetimes. It is a “Hyperspace" (which means a space with higher dimensions. In this context, it is a higher dimensional space encompassing 4-D universes. Get it?)

Combine that with the two other points, and it makes perfect sense why it would be Higher-D in comparison to 4-D.

The encompassing is of the space between the Universes in the Orrery. So there is no reference to it being higher than the structure containing the Bleedspace of individual Universes.

Incorrect. Encompassing several universes in a higher dimensional space makes you larger then the universes, it's like basic geometry.

It's talking about the draining story material of the Multiverse.

Which we literally know to be referring to the Bleed, again, Mandrakk literally says that he held the blood of 52 Universes, this is a similar case to Snyders Fifth dimension, it literally defines the Universes nature.

In the story, we clearly know that story has been referenced as the Multiverse which is the structure known as the Orrery.

Morrison thinks all universes are literal narratives of their own, not just the Multiverse.

If he needed 4-D vision to see then it would be 4-D.

Again, incorrect.

While actually looking at real life examples, we KNOW that this wouldn't mean that the Bleed is only 4-D, it almost most certainly means that the Bleed is higher then 4-D.

Superman is still 2-D and views in 3-D his vision was just upgraded as Zillo Villa surgically mentioned.

Let me simplify it.

Regular world = 2-D vision. 3-D existence. In a 4-D world

The Bleed = 4-D vision. Logically 5-D existence

(We dont have to imagine anything higher, considering the reason why we consider our universe to be 4-D is because of the dimension of time. Which The Bleed doesn't have)

Do you see the gigantic difference here?

I didn't say that the Bleedspace exists within the Bleed. The wording there might have thrown you off but I was talking about your “higher space” theory of the Bleed being a lot more than 4-D. I wasn't saying it itself exists in the space that it defines or that whatever I said earlier would be contradicted by my own words.

Yeah, sure.

His work was addressing the 5th Dimension which is outside the Orrery and beyond the Bleed.

No, the Bleed exists within the pre-Snyder Fifth Dimension.

The wording of Captain Carrot made it obviously clear that the “fix point” was being revolved “through” not around the 5th Dimension while still being in a 4-D structure(Orrery).

The wording is very simple. The Bleed existing within a 5-D space makes it 5-D. This was before the Fifth Dimension was seen as the Blood of the Multiversity map. It was simply a higher dimension there

It's not “clearly” referring to a 5th-dimensional space which would albeit be referring to the same thing.

It is, we literally know that Grant believed the Fifth dimension to be a higher mathematical dimension.

Plus Elizio mentioned it applying only to the entire structure of the Multiverse while the Orerry would still be 4-D.

Elizio seemingly misunderstood what Superman viewing in 4-D would mean. But who knows, im sure he'll comment here

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

We’ll leave it to the staff and mods to overview this. I'm not going to keep on trying to derail this argument.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

We’ll leave it to the staff and mods to overview this. I'm not going to keep on trying to derail this argument.

So are you neutral?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

So are you neutral?

No, I read all your things because I actually read things fast but it's also because I've knew of all your scans prior to you making it. I wasn't rushing, I already had prior knowledge of all your points, and you keep making these threads.

I've made my point clear but since this is going to go back and forth there's no point unless we get the others to see what they believe.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

No, I read all your things because I actually read things fast but it's also because I've knew of all your scans prior to you making it. I wasn't rushing, I already had prior knowledge of all your points, and you keep making these threads.

I've made my point clear but since this is going to go back and forth there's no point unless we get the others to see what they believe.

...are you neutral or do you disagree?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

...are you neutral or do you disagree?

Dude. You asked and I said “No” which means I disagree and I provided some much-needed insight as to how I read your thing so fast because you keep accusing me of not reading.

Again, if you missed it “No” I don't agree which means I disagree.......

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think NHT makes sense to me.

 

[Robo432343]

i agree

 

[Tarang123]

OP makes sense to me

 

[Robo432343]

this would upgrade the overvoid to 8D btw

 

[NHTkenshin2]

this would upgrade the overvoid to 8D btw

As of right now, yes. But the pre-fifth dimension stuff is getting upgraded to 8-D in a couple of days anyways. Making The Overvoid a High 1-C structure

People on VSBW seem to believe that the 8-D mobius loop exists above Hypertime for some unknown reason, but the cosmology can definitely reach 1-B in the future.

 

[Antvasima]

@Deagonx @Elizio33 @PrinceofPein @Firestorm808 @Eficiente @LuciferDC099 @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura

What do you think about this?

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 @Theglassman12 @Ultima_Reality Your opinions would be appreciated as well.

 

[KLOL506]

Okay, I've read the entire thing, and honestly, bravo. I agree with OP and the evidences shown wholeheartedly.

 

[Deagonx]

@Deagonx @Elizio33 @PrinceofPein @Firestorm808 @Eficiente @LuciferDC099 @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura

What do you think about this?

I disagree. Notably, he has misrepresented a lot of the evidence and that concerns me. For instance:

in a higher-dimensional hyperspace. (Grant Morrison Newsarama interview)

The scan doesn't use the phrase "higher-dimensional." I am always extremely wary of people who post hyperlinks and the text adds something that isn't in the scan. Especially when the ad-hoc addition supports an argument. I am not willing to pass it off as a simple mistake given that this user has done this a few times in other threads as well, and given that the addition of the phrase "higher-dimensional" supports his point, whereas "hyperspace" by itself does not.

As for the rest, this post contains a lot of superfluous information. Perhaps it's just meant to familiarize people with the overall concept, but most of this doesn't actually address whether it should be treated as a higher infinity.

This is also still consistent with Snyder, considering he uses Grants Multiversity map, has referenced M-theory in interviews as still existing within his map, so will have to agree on the bare minimum that Snyder believes that the Bleed is a bulk encompassing universes, and does consider Earths to be separate spacetime continuums, logically within a higher space containing said universes.

Where does he mention M-Theory?

Higher M-theory dimensions. (The Authority #1)

Again here, the phrase "M-Theory" is not referenced in these scans and this is also not from Grant or Snyder. This is a 1999 comic from Warren Ellis and predates Grant's usage of it by about a decade.

Its also all pretty consistent with Multiversity claiming that the Bleed rotated around the Fifth-dimension -- One might think this would be referring to the Fifth dimension we all know and love, however this was 5 whole years before Snyder incorporated his vision for the Fifth dimension as being the blood of the Multiversity map, and within pre-snyder Morrison works, is regularly contradicted:

So i believe it should be clear that Rodney Rabbits statement would obviously refer to a 5-Dimensional level of existence. And not actually be related to the later interpretations of the Fifth dimension. Considering Snyder considers it to be completely abstract, devoid of anything physical, and Pre-Snyder Morrison clearly considers it some form of higher geometrical dimension.

Snyder wasn't the one that started the whole "the Fifth Dimension is imagination" thing. That was actually Grant himself. By the time Multiversity came out, it had bounced back and forth many times. But regardless, the Snyder/Morrison cosmology is a composite, so it would be best to interpret it in the way that is most consistent overall to both.

And for this point:

An argument to be made against this is that Superman required 4-D vision to even comprehend the Bleed, however this is literally supporting evidence for 5-D Bleed, considering we as humans, exist in 3 Dimensions, we view things and are technically incapable of seeing depth, thus view things in 2 Dimensions, while our own Universe is hypothetically 4 dimensional. Supermans vision however, transcended 2-D by two entire dimensions, just to comprehend the Bleed.

Our own universe is 4-D in a spacetime sense. Given that this is the space inbetween universes, I do not see why we would not interpret the "4-D" vision in that same sense. I also find it particularly far-fetched that we would take a space which required 4-D vision, explicitly, and consider it 5-D simply because it "rotates around a fixed point in the fifth dimension." Which, even if we did take a geometric approach to the Fifth Dimension, wouldn't support the bleed being 5-D. A 4-D object could only rotate around a fixed point in a higher dimension, because it can't be spatially extended within it.

So? Pretty simple, re-upgrade the Bleedspace to Low Complex Multiverse level, as that it is a hyperspatial bulk encompassing Spacetime continuums that give life and ink to universes, and exists in 5 dimensions.

Yeah I very much disagree with the upgrade. And the M-Theory angle seems particularly odd here given that your approach for the Bleed directly contradicts it

 

[Antvasima]

Deagonx seems to make sense here.

 

[Lewis]

Is there a writer using string theory to describe space? LoL
he must be a mad physicist.

 

[Elizio33]

I agree with Deagonx. The Bleed is 4-D

 

[PrinceofPein]

I disagree
Also a writer saying in an interview that a certain phenomenon inspired theor work does not mean we scale that verse to the theory especially when the work never mentioned it

 

[Quantu]

I think Deagonx makes sense.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Welp, now that exams are over, i can waste my time all i like.

The scan doesn't use the phrase "higher-dimensional." I am always extremely wary of people who post hyperlinks and the text adds something that isn't in the scan. Especially when the ad-hoc addition supports an argument. and given that the addition of the phrase "higher-dimensional" supports his point, whereas "hyperspace" by itself does not.

hyperspace - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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No, if something is described as a "hyperspace bulk" in comparison to multiple 4-dimensional spacetime continuums, it would 100% suggest that it exists in a higher-dimensional space. The term "hyperspace" implies a space with more dimensions than the usual three spatial dimensions and, in this specific context, one temporal dimension of their Earthsm.

In this context, if the hyperspace bulk is being contrasted with 4-dimensional spacetime continuums, it has to imply that the hyperspace bulk encompasses or transcends the dimensions of those continuums. While it doesn't explicitly state the exact dimensionality of the hyperspace bulk, it suggests that it has additional dimensions beyond the four dimensions of spacetime.

The term "hyperspace" is often used to describe a theoretical higher-dimensional space that exists beyond or alongside our familiar space (and is most certainly the case here considering Grant mentioned the "bulk”). The specific dimensionality of a hyperspace can vary depending on the context and theoretical framework being discussed, and within this specific context, it is referring to 52 Spacetime continuums

Therefore, based on the description providrd by Morrison, it is completely reasonable to interpret the hyperspace bulk as being 5-dimensional.

Where does he mention M-Theory?

11-dimensions. A term very closely aligned with M-theory, especially considering Multiversity exists, which also uses this. Snyder regularly mentions not wanting to contradict other cosmological models, with FC and Multiversity being some of his examples.

Snyder wasn't the one that started the whole "the Fifth Dimension is imagination" thing.

I didn't say that. I said Snyder began the whole “Fifth Dimension is completely and utterly devoid of physics based things, and exists as the blood defining the framework of the Multiversity work" which Grant obviously did not believe at the time

But regardless, the Snyder/Morrison cosmology is a composite, so it would be best to interpret it in the way that is most consistent overall to both.

Which would be accepting that the Fifth Dimension from Morrisons is not the same as Snyders.

Snyder's Fifth Dimension is the blood of the entirety of the Multiverse, and integral abstract essence of the Multiversity map, Apokolips within Morrisons vision exists devoid of all physics based things, and then we find out that the Fifth Dimension can get affected by physics based means within the Orrery and is described as a mathematically higher dimension, so its very clear that the 5-dimension in Multiversity is definitely not referring to the Fifth Dimension.

And eitherway, in Multiversity Grant makes it pretty clear that these Multiversity dimensions are not referring to Snyders, considering he mentions the existence of a 8-D Mobius loop, when Snyder clearly believes in only 6 layers of the Multiverse.

Our own universe is 4-D in a spacetime sense. Given that this is the space inbetween universes, I do not see why we would not interpret the "4-D" vision in that same sense.

I disagree. Superman needing 4-D vision to merely comprehend the Bleed, a space that would encompass 4-Dimensions clearly indicates that the Bleed has more dimensions.

Even from a real-life perspective, when we look at someone, we are limited to perceiving what is in front of us, without being able to see what is behind them, to their right, or to their left. This limitation arises from our 2-D vision. However, if Superman exists within the Bleed and can use his 4-D vision to perceive structures in 4 dimensions that the Bleed encompasses, it would imply that the Bleed encompasses all of these additional perspectives on 4-D structures, thus an additional dimension beyond the ones he can perceive.

I also find it particularly far-fetched that we would take a space which required 4-D vision, explicitly, and consider it 5-D simply because it "rotates around a fixed point in the fifth dimension." Which, even if we did take a geometric approach to the Fifth Dimension, wouldn't support the bleed being 5-D. A 4-D object could only rotate around a fixed point in a higher dimension, because it can't be spatially extended within it.

I dont get your point exactly, it still exists within a 5-D space.

A structure that rotates around a fixed point in the fifth dimension does not necessarily imply that the structure exists in fewer than five dimensions.

In mathematics and physics, rotation is often associated with the change in orientation or position of an object around an axis or fixed point. While we commonly think of rotation in three-dimensional space (e.f, objects spinning around a fixed axis), rotation can also occur in higher-dimensionall spaces with additional dimensions.

If a structure is said to rotate around a fixed point in the fifth dimension, it suggests that there is a dynamic transformation or movement within that dimension while maintaining a fixed reference point. This does not imply that the structure exists in fewer than five dimensions in any way.

And the M-Theory angle seems particularly odd here given that your approach for the Bleed directly contradicts it

It would not. The Bleed is interpreted as the Bulk that encomapsses universes. In M-theory, the bulk represents the higher-dimensional space that contains our four-dimensional universe, as well as other possible branes or universes. The term "bulk" refers to the additional dimensions beyond our familiar four dimensions of spacetime (three spatial dimensions and one time dimension).

The idea is that our four-dimensional universe exists as a brane (short for membrane) within the larger bulk, which has additional spatial dimensions.

So, from this perspective of the four-dimensional universe, the bulk is indeed higher-dimensional in comparison to the Universe. It encompasses the additional dimensions that extend beyond our familiar spacetime dimensions and plays a role in the overall framework of M-theory and the understanding of the universe at a fundamental level, which is also why the existence of M-theory within Morrisons verse very much supports that notion.

Also a writer saying in an interview that a certain phenomenon inspired theor work does not mean we scale that verse to the theory especially when the work never mentioned it

That is incorrect, the idea of the Bulk was referenced before in Final Crisis #5. Grant simply told us that the “Bulk" refers to The Bleed.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Was asked to comment here. I'm not knowledgeable on the full scope of how we treat the DC cosmology but the bleed encompassing 4-D universes could make it 5-D. However, that would require it to have it's own space-time that is stated to transcend the 4-D ones. Technically it can still be 4-D and some of the stuff like the draining the characters and story can still happen since their encompassed by it.

Sadly, I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate this topic, Tier 1 and Higher Dimensional stuff isn't my thing. I do agree with Deagonx regarding the scans not specifically saying higher dimensional or m theory but I don't know the full context. So realistically, my input isn't much and thus I can't really agree or disagree on the Bleed being 5-D.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Was asked to comment here. I'm not knowledgeable on the full scope of how we treat the DC cosmology but the bleed encompassing 4-D universes could make it 5-D. However, that would require it to have it's own space-time that is stated to transcend the 4-D ones. Technically it can still be 4-D and some of the stuff like the draining the characters and story can still happen since their encompassed by it.

Sadly, I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate this topic, Tier 1 and Higher Dimensional stuff isn't my thing. I do agree with Deagonx regarding the scans not specifically saying higher dimensional or m theory but I don't know the full context. So realistically, my input isn't much and thus I can really agree or disagree on the Bleed being 5-D.

Input still appreciated

 

[Deagonx]

No, if something is described as a "hyperspace bulk" in comparison to multiple 4-dimensional spacetime continuums, it would 100% suggest that it exists in a higher-dimensional space. The term "hyperspace" implies a space with more dimensions than the usual three spatial dimensions and, in this specific context, one temporal dimension of their Earthsm.

In this context, if the hyperspace bulk is being contrasted with 4-dimensional spacetime continuums, it has to imply that the hyperspace bulk encompasses or transcends the dimensions of those continuums. While it doesn't explicitly state the exact dimensionality of the hyperspace bulk, it suggests that it has additional dimensions beyond the four dimensions of spacetime.

The term "hyperspace" is often used to describe a theoretical higher-dimensional space that exists beyond or alongside our familiar space (and is most certainly the case here considering Grant mentioned the "bulk”). The specific dimensionality of a hyperspace can vary depending on the context and theoretical framework being discussed, and within this specific context, it is referring to 52 Spacetime continuums

Therefore, based on the description providrd by Morrison, it is completely reasonable to interpret the hyperspace bulk as being 5-dimensional.

Your interpretation is not something that should be embedded within the text of a hyperlink, because it implies that the scan itself says it. That is my issue.

11-dimensions. A term very closely aligned with M-theory, especially considering Multiversity exists, which also uses this. Snyder regularly mentions not wanting to contradict other cosmological models, with FC and Multiversity being some of his examples.

That's kind of a stretch and nothing Snyder ever wrote mentions 11 dimensions, and he mentions it very briefly. Regardless you don't appear to be arguing for 11 dimensions so isn't this a bit of a moot point?

I didn't say that. I said Snyder began the whole “Fifth Dimension is completely and utterly devoid of physics based things, and exists as the blood defining the framework of the Multiversity work" which Grant obviously did not believe at the time

Which would be accepting that the Fifth Dimension from Morrisons is not the same as Snyders.

Snyder's Fifth Dimension is the blood of the entirety of the Multiverse, and integral abstract essence of the Multiversity map, Apokolips within Morrisons vision exists devoid of all physics based things, and then we find out that the Fifth Dimension can get affected by physics based means within the Orrery and is described as a mathematically higher dimension, so its very clear that the 5-dimension in Multiversity is definitely not referring to the Fifth Dimension.

And eitherway, in Multiversity Grant makes it pretty clear that these Multiversity dimensions are not referring to Snyders, considering he mentions the existence of a 8-D Mobius loop, when Snyder clearly believes in only 6 layers of the Multiverse.

I don't see why it wouldn't be referring to Mxy's Fifth Dimension, all the information you've given makes them very compatible.

You say Snyder began the whole "Fifth Dimension (Imagination) is the blood of the Multiverse" but you also posted a scan that the bleed is the life of story. So why wouldn't a metafictional concept like the "blood of stories" be associated with a non-spatial higher dimension that is literally imagination? The two seem very compatible to me.

I disagree. Superman needing 4-D vision to merely comprehend the Bleed, a space that would encompass 4-Dimensions clearly indicates that the Bleed has more dimensions.

Even from a real-life perspective, when we look at someone, we are limited to perceiving what is in front of us, without being able to see what is behind them, to their right, or to their left. This limitation arises from our 2-D vision. However, if Superman exists within the Bleed and can use his 4-D vision to perceive structures in 4 dimensions that the Bleed encompasses, it would imply that the Bleed encompasses all of these additional perspectives on 4-D structures, thus an additional dimension beyond the ones he can perceive.

Human vision isn't 2-D. Each eye, individually, takes a 2-D image and combines them to give us a 3-D vision with depth perception.

I do not agree with the reasoning that 4-D vision must refer to a 5-D space.

I dont get your point exactly, it still exists within a 5-D space.

A structure that rotates around a fixed point in the fifth dimension does not necessarily imply that the structure exists in fewer than five dimensions.

In mathematics and physics, rotation is often associated with the change in orientation or position of an object around an axis or fixed point. While we commonly think of rotation in three-dimensional space (e.f, objects spinning around a fixed axis), rotation can also occur in higher-dimensionall spaces with additional dimensions.

If a structure is said to rotate around a fixed point in the fifth dimension, it suggests that there is a dynamic transformation or movement within that dimension while maintaining a fixed reference point. This does not imply that the structure exists in fewer than five dimensions in any way.

I'm not saying that this piece of information directly contradicts being 5-D, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be.

It would not. The Bleed is interpreted as the Bulk that encomapsses universes. In M-theory, the bulk represents the higher-dimensional space that contains our four-dimensional universe, as well as other possible branes or universes. The term "bulk" refers to the additional dimensions beyond our familiar four dimensions of spacetime (three spatial dimensions and one time dimension).

No, this isn't really true for M-Theory, the word "bulk" is very seldom used in reference to M-Theory and it's not considered a space that contains the universe. This is also a crucial point, if we are to take these higher dimensions as being M-Theory based, then they aren't higher infinities. These dimensions are incredibly small, on the planck scale. They aren't universe sized the way the main three spatial dimensions are.

 

[Panpanpanjeidj]

It seems I'm getting off topic but this scan shows the possibility that the multiverse is 33 dimensional space.
What do you think of this scan?

 

[Deagonx]

It seems I'm getting off topic but this scan shows the possibility that the multiverse is 33 dimensional space.
What do you think of this scan?

There's many many scans, each with different numbers.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

World's At War storyline isn't very consistent given it came way before Multiversity. His works such as that scan in the early 2000’s are not compatible with his work now.

 

[Lewis]

World's At War storyline isn't very consistent given it came way before Multiversity. His works such as that scan in the early 2000’s are not compatible with his work now.

Can you compare the scan with his current work? Maybe more people will vote against it.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Can you compare the scan with his current work? Maybe more people will vote against it.

That specific scan is from Action Comics #781 and during this whole process of Cosmology most times these things are mentioned out of the loop. Plus it's not part of his work.

I would rather recommend the approach we had to keep it the Bleed at 4-D due to how we mesh with Synder Cosmology. I could see a 5D if we only use Morrison Cosmology.

Most of Morrsion's work with this thing other than Multiversity is JLA like #29 when they mention 5-D(Mxy home) is above Time and etc. During Actions Comic, it was regarded as a higher dimension but never mentions Bleed being 5-D. Ironically the “bulk” of this thread is an underlying perspective of Hyperspace and what Grants said in some interviews which could be interpreted in many ways. With Synder's work it's completely different thing and the Bleedspace would only still be 4-D.

In short, Bleed doesn't exist in 5-D space at all. It's just is set a fixed point when it goes through the 5th dimension.

 

[Lewis]

That specific scan is from Action Comics #781 and during this whole process of Cosmology most times these things are mentioned out of the loop. Plus it's not part of his work.

I would rather recommend the approach we had to keep it the Bleed at 4-D due to how we mesh with Synder Cosmology. I could see a 5D if we only use Morrison Cosmology.

Most of Morrsion's work with this thing other than Mtiversity is JLA like #29 when they mention 5-D(Mxy home) is above Time and etc. During Actions Comic, it was regarded as a higher dimension but never mentions Bleed being 5-D. Ironically the “bulk” of this thread is an underlying perspective of Hyperspace and what Grants said in some interviews which could be interpreted in many ways. With Synder's work it's completely different thing and the Bleedspace would only still be 4-D.

In short, Bleed doesn't exist in 5-D space at all. It's just is set a fixed point when it goes through the 5th dimension.

Nicesuu

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Your interpretation is not something that should be embedded within the text of a hyperlink, because it implies that the scan itself says it. That is my issue.

Is a Hyperspace not higher dimensional? Is that your main problem here?

That's kind of a stretch and nothing Snyder ever wrote mentions 11 dimensions

Doesn't have to. The very fact that he acknowledges Grants work on this cosmological model, the very fact that he works with Grant constantly regarding cosmologies cements the fact that Bleedspace being a bulk that encompasses universes in Scott has no need to be considered outdated or now retconned. There is nothing implying that it is

I don't see why it wouldn't be referring to Mxy's Fifth Dimension, all the information you've given makes them very compatible.

It is. At the time at least.

Again, my point isnt to say that Mxys 5-D doesn't exist within pre-Snyder Morrison stuff, its to say that the Bleed existed in Five dimensions that are disconnected from Snyders Fifth dimension. Sorry for the confusion

You say Snyder began the whole "Fifth Dimension (Imagination) is the blood of the Multiverse" but you also posted a scan that the bleed is the life of story. So why wouldn't a metafictional concept like the "blood of stories" be associated with a non-spatial higher dimension that is literally imagination? The two seem very compatible to me.

Maybe. But again, this was like 5 whole years before any of Snyders massive contributions to the cosmology, and again, as i have already proved, Morrison believed in MUCH more then just 5 dimensions, in which Snyder has still said that these too still exist, so maybe it doesn't have to be referring to the same thing.

individually, takes a 2-D image and combines them to give us a 3-D vision with depth perception.

Spoiler: Waffling

When discussing the brain's ability to "imagine" a 3D image, you would indeed be focusing on the cognitive and perceptual aspects of vision rather than the strictly geometric aspects. It involves the brain's ability to analyze and interpret visual input to construct an imagination of a three-dimensional image.

However, If you are specifically focusing on the geometry of how humans see, it would be correct to consider the two-dimensional nature of the retinal image that is formed on the back of the eye as the actual geometric nature of human vision.

So when discussing “4-D vision" Superman is not seeing 3-D structures in each eye and combining them to form a 4-D image, we quite literally know his OPTICAL RANGE becomes 4-D. Allow me to explain further what that would mean

The term "optical range" typically refers to the range of electromagnetic radiation that is visible to the human eye, rather than specifically referring to the images perceived before the brain processes them into three dimensions.

When we talk about the optical range, we are primarily referring to the wavelengths of light that our eyes can detect and respond to. These wavelengths are then captured by the eye's optics (cornea, lens, etc.) and form an image on the retina. The retina photoreceptors that convert the incoming light into electrical signals. These signals are then transmitted to the brain via the optic nerve for further processing and interpretation, including the construction of a three-dimensional perception of the visual scene.

So, while the optical range is related to the initial capture of light by the eye, it encompasses the images seen before the brain translates them into three dimensions.

No, this isn't really true for M-Theory, the word "bulk" is very seldom used in reference to M-Theory and it's not considered a space that contains the universe.

We do not have to assume a thing, we know Grant interprets it as a space containing universes.

This is also a crucial point, if we are to take these higher dimensions as being M-Theory based, then they aren't higher infinities.

Yep, thats what my whole thing in the last thread was about LMAO. Grant believes these dimensions view the previous as fictional.

 

[Deagonx]

Is a Hyperspace not higher dimensional? Is that your main problem here?

No? I just explained my main problem, right? That your hyperlink texted added a word that wasn't in the scan, which gives people the impression that the key phrasing is verbatim in the scan when it isn't. It's not a matter of whether such an interpretation is sound, it is crucial to delineate when you are giving your own assessment vs when you are presenting information that is literally in the comics.

Doesn't have to. The very fact that he acknowledges Grants work on this cosmological model,

Well we disagree greatly on this, I think it matters a lot, and I think this Youtube video does very little to assuage that.

Again, my point isnt to say that Mxys 5-D doesn't exist within pre-Snyder Morrison stuff, its to say that the Bleed existed in Five dimensions that are disconnected from Snyders Fifth dimension. Sorry for the confusion

But again, this was like 5 whole years before any of Snyders massive contributions to the cosmology, and again, as i have already proved, Morrison believed in MUCH more then just 5 dimensions, in which Snyder has still said that these too still exist, so maybe it doesn't have to be referring to the same thing.

Okay, well to be clear I am not in agreement with that approach.

We do not have to assume a thing, we know Grant interprets it as a space containing universes.

Right, that's my point. That isn't M-Theory.

Yep, thats what my whole thing in the last thread was about LMAO. Grant believes these dimensions view the previous as fictional.

Okay, so you're saying it isn't M-Theory?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

No? I just explained my main problem, right? That your hyperlink texted added a word that wasn't in the scan, which gives people the impression that the key phrasing is verbatim in the scan when it isn't. It's not a matter of whether such an interpretation is sound, it is crucial to delineate when you are giving your own assessment vs when you are presenting information that is literally in the comics.

Well, i simply assumed Hyperspace is pretty much enough to assume higher dimensions. If it seemed like i wanted to confuse people, then i apologise.

Well we disagree greatly on this, I think it matters a lot, and I think this Youtube video does very little to assuage that.

Lets get to the basics of this. Do you disagree that Snyder disagrees on the bare minimum that The Bleed is a bulk space that encompasses universes?

And if so, can you provide to me a concrete argument that Snyder would indeed disagree on such a model?

Okay, well to be clear I am not in agreement with that approach.

We can agree to have different opposing views here. I however, and a few others, do interpret it as Five-dimensional because of the other implications provided.

Right, that's my point. That isn't M-Theory.

It is the M-theory vision of the idea of the Bulk, yes.

The central idea defining the Bulk as a higher dimensional space containing branes inside of it. In the context of DC Comics, branes represent separate spacetime continuums, such as different Earths that are connected together via comicbooks. The Bleed, described as the Bulk in this context, is a higher-dimensional hyperspace that encompasses spacetime continuums, and can exist and interact within a 5-D space. As well as is depicted as containing all the different moments of time within a specific Earth, within the Bleed as seen in FC:SB.