DBZ Toei: More Downgrades

[Vizer04]

So... what should we do now?

 

[AguilaR202]

Power jumps of ridiculous degrees are nothing new if súper is anything to go by.

If kid Buu is indeed the strongest then it’s be fair to take Goku and Vegetas showings inside Super Buu when they fought Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks as evidence of them having grown stronger themselves which would justify why they’re able to stand against him.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Maybe a second buu saga Goku key? Post vegito?
His SSJ would scale to ultimate Gohan and SSJ2/SSJ3 scale to kid buu.

 

[Eseseso]

Maybe a second buu saga Goku key? Post vegito?
His SSJ would scale to ultimate Gohan and SSJ2/SSJ3 scale to kid buu.

Why. Does. SSJ2. Scale. To Kid Buu?

SSJ2 got stomped, only SSJ3 matched kid buu.

 

[Quantu]

They traded blows, Goku vaped him with a blast, before getitng "overwhelmed" at the end (kinda), making him turn SSJ3

 

[Vizer04]

To anyone new in the thread, this is what we have agreed so far:

• Kid Buu is now considered as the strongest incarnation of Majin Buu, even stronger than Buuhan.

• We should create a new key for Goku, Post-Vegito.

• Early GT Base Goku will be downgraded to 4-A by scaling from Kid Buu.

• The Fusion Reborn feat will be replaced by the Hell shaking feat in GT.

 

[Quantu]

Is there a calc for the GT hell shaking feat?

 

[Eseseso]

IIRC SSJ Gohan when possessed by Baby (not sure if he had ultimate) was stomped by Base GT Goku so that's something.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

IIRC SSJ Gohan when possessed by Baby (not sure if he had ultimate) was stomped by Base GT Goku so that's something.

According to the GT Perfect Files, Gohan maintained his training in the five years between Z and GT.

 

[Eraxd___]

Shouldn't Buuhan and Buutenks also scale to Kid Buu's feat? This could probably get SSJ Vegito to 4-A+

 

[AguilaR202]

Is there a calc for the GT hell shaking feat?

It would only need to be remade to use half the radius of the afterlife which makes it 1/4th of Fusion Reborn in terms of energy

 

[ByAsura]

They traded blows, Goku vaped him with a blast, before getitng "overwhelmed" at the end (kinda), making him turn SSJ3

SS3 is explicitly and demonstrably way, way superior to SS2. Goku would not be moderately weaker than Buu as an SS2 and equal to him as an SS3—he’d be annihilating Buu immediately like he claimed. Clearly Buu was toying with SS2 Goku, which makes sense because he was obliterating SS2 Vegeta with absolute ease.

And vaporising him is insanely unimpressive to the point where Piccolo was doing it.

 

[Shadyboi0]

In this part of this video there is proof of more contradictions to Kid Buu being the strongest Buu:

Saiyan Scholar is the farthest possible thing from a credible source.

 

[Eseseso]

Saiyan Scholar is the farthest possible thing from a credible source.

That's fair

 

[Vizer04]

Did anyone else stopped getting notifications of this thread or just me?

 

[Thedoctor]

goku and Vegeta both were slapped around by super Buu like they were nothing but Goku was slightly stronger then kid Buu as a super Saiyan 3 at first so super Buu was most likely stronger then kid Buu, plus I consider the whole inside super Buu to be filler or at the very least stuff that doesn't make any sense so I usually disregard it

 

[Vizer04]

goku and Vegeta both were slapped around by super Buu like they were nothing but Goku was slightly stronger then kid Buu as a super Saiyan 3 at first so super Buu was most likely stronger then kid Buu, plus I consider the whole inside super Buu to be filler or at the very least stuff that doesn't make any sense so I usually disregard it

This thread is about the anime continuity so even if it's filler, those feats count.

Also, Goku could fight Ultimate Gohan's doopelganger inside Super Buu.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

So we know that 17 saga and beyond GT base Goku is definitely a 3-C, especially since he did that hell-shaking feat while powering up from a heavily restrained state, but I don't think that applies to Beginning of Gt Goku unless we can prove that he was comparable in both arcs.

Also, like I said before, for some reason SSJ4 in the black dragon arc is a 3-B+ (as is Syn Shenron) so that should probably be removed since I don't see anything supporting them being above normal 3-B.

Also, since we don't know how strong SSJ4 Baby saga Goku is, SSJ Vegito in buu saga remains a 4-A.

I think they might be 3-B+ via being 10x weaker than Omega Shenron who's 3-A (Omega is 10x stronger than Syn).

What was the time gap between Baby saga and Super 17 Saga again? I know GT Goku still trains, but if the time gap isn't that massive, then you could argue that maybe Goku didn't get much stronger. But there likely was a big gap.

 

[Eseseso]

I think they might be 3-B+ via being 10x weaker than Omega Shenron who's 3-A (Omega is 10x stronger than Syn).

1. To be 3-B+ you'd need to be half of 3-A

2. Omega Shenron said he was "ten times stronger, perhaps more", so he could be above 10x stronger

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

1. To be 3-B+ you'd need to be half of 3-A

2. Omega Shenron said he was "ten times stronger, perhaps more", so he could be above 10x stronger

In that case then they would be 3-B like you said.

So it's an at least multiplier? Shit

 

[AguilaR202]

I think they might be 3-B+ via being 10x weaker than Omega Shenron who's 3-A (Omega is 10x stronger than Syn).

What was the time gap between Baby saga and Super 17 Saga again? I know GT Goku still trains, but if the time gap isn't that massive, then you could argue that maybe Goku didn't get much stronger. But there likely was a big gap.

Kid Buus feat is pretty high into 4-A iirc Even beginning of GT SS1 would be that tier because of accepted 50x boost,

And considering this is anime continuity, shouldn’t SS2 be at least 100x multiplier?

Consider Super Kaioken is a thing and Goku favors SS2 over it it

 

[Eseseso]

Kid Buus feat is pretty high into 4-A iirc Even beginning of GT SS1 would be that tier because of accepted 50x boost,

Actually, 51 exafoe times 50 is just 2.586 zettafoe, so about half of 4-A+


Also, Pan needs new AP justifications for 4-A.

She managed to send a casual Rildo, who Goku viewed as above Kid Buu, flying with simple punches and kicks, and shocked both Goku and Trunks with her power with Trunks even thinking Pan may be above him. Later, she managed to knock away Meta-Rilldo with a kick, and that dude was >= SSJ Goku.

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[AguilaR202]

Regarding your blog

If cooler is accepted to be part of toei continuity shouldn’t base Goku be = 50% Freeza at the very least around that time? ( meaning he’d be 50x that with SS1)

He has a cameo in GT making his appearance canon to toei.

the reason for that would be that Daizenshuu says something about Coolers 4th form being equivalent to Freezas 4th form which in all likely good translates to them having equal PL

 

[AguilaR202]

Also Semi Perfect Cell is 3x stronger than Early Android Saga Super Saiyans, thanks to this throwaway line by Goku telling post HTC Vegeta he’d have to triple his strength to stand a chance against him.




Right near the end of the video.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

English dub.

 

[Eseseso]

English dub.

Yeah we need to see the japanese of that scene

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Btw, why doesn't Toei use the The Future Androids using half power thing?

 

[Vizer04]

Now, someone has to unlock GT Goku's profile.

 

[Vizer04]

Now, someone has to unlock GT Goku's profile.

Bump

 

[Sus]

Also, like I said before, for some reason SSJ4 in the black dragon arc is a 3-B+ (as is Syn Shenron) so that should probably be removed since I don't see anything supporting them being above normal 3-B.

Can harm omega shenron using a 10x Kamehameha

So he should be 1/10th universe level

 

[Eseseso]

Can harm omega shenron using a 10x Kamehameha

So he should be 1/10th universe level

But that's still not 3-B+.

3-B+ would be about half of Baseline 3-A.

And how do we know the 10x Kamehameha is even a 10x multiplier?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Isn't Syn 3-B+ because Omega is only x10 stronger than Syn?

 

[Eseseso]

Isn't Syn 3-B+ because Omega is only x10 stronger than Syn?

But that's still not 3-B+

 

[Sus]

Then downgrade them to 3B

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

But that's still not 3-B+

Isn't Omega like x26 Universal or something? (Since the dbz universe is quite big)

 

[Sus]

Then make them 3A idk