- 4,451
- 1,949
You... need an evaluated calc for that. I’d imagine the DB supporters would know about a calc like that if it was accepted.
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It's a toeiverse only feat. In the manga he doesn't even destroy a galaxy.You... need an evaluated calc for that. I’d imagine the DB supporters would know about a calc like that if it was accepted.
I actually calculated the feats you mentioned in another thread, and this was assuming Buu did nothing but traveling to each of those planets and destroyed them instantly.I don't like these numbers, but there are some lore feats to support this. Buu, for example, destroyed hundreds of planets in just a few years, despite not having any teleportation abilities at that point. He'd at least have to race around these areas of space while also taking his time (probably days, depending on Fat Buu or Kid Buu) to devastate planets, rather than outright destroy them.
But I think it states Buu destroys a galaxyThe argument that it refers to stars is strange. He's shown killing life forms in a rocky terrain. Technically, the word can refer to stars, but context clues (like "worlds of death") suggests he's talking about planets.
Edit: Someone in the comments also brought up the fact that Babidi also has a spaceship (he does, it's the one Vegeta blew up). So it's totally invalid.
Pretty sure that's not how it was done and it wouldn't work that way either. 50% Frieza definitely scales well above KKx20 Goku and 100% Frieza scales twice as high as his 50% self for obvious reasons but yet SSJ1 Goku manhandled him like it was nothing, and even didn't bother going full power because he thought Frieza was too weak.The speed got only 20x tho if I remember correctly so
Power : 40x power
Speed : 20x speed
Whoever that someone else is clearly didn't think to read the scaling chain that AKM and DDM made that would put DBZ at MFTL based on the conservative multiplier statements we have for Kaio-Ken and Frieza Saga SSJ1, even if we don't consider the whole "Goku got the 10x amp from his Gravity Training before hitting Namek" statement from Shonen.Don't quote me I personally think SSJ1 - 2 - 3 are their set multipliers, I'm just saying what someone else did.
Guys, guys, i was refering to this.4th Form Frieza (Casual) > 74.5c
Kaioken x10 > 745c
Kaioken x20 > 1,490c
50% Frieza > 1,490c
100% Frieza > 2,980c <====
SSJ Goku > 3,725c <====
Pretty sure that's simply way too high, even if you assume the 10x statement for the Gravity training, Goku's SSJ1 speed wouldn't even come close, at best it'd be 745x FTL.Guys, guys, i was refering to this.
Personally this seen to me the most accurate and conservative speed scaling, i think this should be used.Pretty sure that's simply way too high, even if you assume the 10x statement for the Gravity training, Goku's SSJ1 speed wouldn't even come close, at best it'd be 745x FTL.
If Base Namek Goku is 10x his Saiyan Saga self, then his speed- 7.45 c
Namek Saga KKx2 Goku vs Ginyu- 14.9 c
Frieza's first, second and third forms- at least 14.9 c
Namek Saga Post-Zenkai Goku- at least 14.9 c
50% Final Form Frieza >>>>>>>>> KKx20 Namek Goku - >>>>>>>>>>>>>298 c
100% Final Form Frieza- At least 596c
SSJ1 Goku- At least 745 c via being massively superior to 100% Final Form Frieza
So using even the 10x multiplier it doesn't hit MFTL+, but it does get pretty close
I've seen the arrows, and yeah, the final speed gap between Goku and Frieza is indeed quite small and not as big as people think it out to be. As in, Goku only gets 1.25x swifter than his KKx20 form and yet manhandles 100% Frieza as if the latter were like a kid, and get this, Goku didn't even bother going full-power and outright called Frieza as weak. But they definitely do get massive speed amps considerably above Piccolo's feat.Check the arrows, i'm refering to frieza and ssj goku having a small difference, that's literally what i asked at first.
I'm confused now. Don't we assume SSJ1 to be 40-50x boost in terms of power, and only >20x kaioken in terms of speed? Or is it also a 50x boost? Or is that only for Frieza saga?Whoever that someone else is clearly didn't think to read the scaling chain that AKM and DDM made that would put DBZ at MFTL based on the conservative multiplier statements we have for Kaio-Ken and Frieza Saga SSJ1, even if we don't consider the whole "Goku got the 10x amp from his Gravity Training before hitting Namek" statement from Shonen.
No, we assumed SSJ1 to be a valid 40-50x multiplier over base stats.I'm confused now. Don't we assume SSJ1 to be 40-50x boost in terms of power, and only >20x kaioken in terms of speed? Or is it also a 50x boost? Or is that only for Frieza saga?
But you'd be kinda right, SSJ1 would only be like, 2 to 2.5 times swifter than Kaio-Ken x20 (Since 745/298= 2.5 and 596/298= 2), but when it comes to base normal powers with no bullshit transformations, then SSJ1 would be a 40-50x multiplier.Well, that's very different from what I heard. But if that's the case, then cool.
Idk why you are just repeating this point. It's not canon. Show me where it is said in canon that Goku grew 10 times faster. It's stated nowhere. Shonen jump synopsis aren't accepted as canon and often times these promotional materials are hype materials and exaggerated.The synopsis is an official source
No I am not. Freeza's power level is blatantly stated in the manga to be above KKx2 Goku. And your argument is based on your opinion of something, not any evidence.Your using double standards again on PL
Well it is in the DB Manga. The Shonen Jump synopsis is icing on the cake.Idk why you are just repeating this point. It's not canon. Show me where it is said in canon that Goku grew 10 times faster. It's stated nowhere. Shonen jump synopsis aren't accepted as canon and often times these promotional materials are hype materials and exaggerated.
This was addressed before. This isn't proof of him getting 10x stronger or faster. Just that he thinks his body could handle kaioken x10.Goku got 10x stronger and faster.
Nitpicking.This was addressed before. This isn't proof of him getting 10x stronger or faster. Just that he thinks his body could handle kaioken x10.
Yes, that's what i'm asking, he isn't 1.25x swifter because of stomping him, he is 1.25x swifter because he is 50x faster than base while frieza is only 40x.I've seen the arrows, and yeah, the final speed gap between Goku and Frieza is indeed quite small and not as big as people think it out to be. As in, Goku only gets 1.25x swifter and yet manhandles 100% Frieza as if the latter were like a kid, and get this, Goku didn't even bother going full-power and outright called Frieza as weak. But they definitely do get massive speed amps considerably above Piccolo's feat.