DBZ minor speed addition

[Nullflowerblush]

Hear me out.
Beginning of Series Piccolo and Goku (408 and 416) = 0.43c
Kaio-ken Goku (16,000 | 24,000 | 32,000) = >0.86c | >1.29c | >1.72c
Great Ape Vegeta (180,000) = >8.6c
Post-Namek Training Kaio-ken Goku (160,000) = >17.2c
Post-Zenkai Kaio-ken Goku (6,000,000 | 60,000,000) = >34.4c | >344c

 

[Thelastmlg]

Post zenkai goku was 3 million, and i doubt we are using power levels like that, or else first kaioken goku would be over 16c

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm not comparing the Power Levels in order to find multipliers.

Beginning of Z Goku scales to 0.43c, and using Kaio-ken, he'd scale to 0.86c (16,000), 1.29c (24,000), and 1.72c (32,000) respectively.
Vegeta scales above Kaio-ken Goku, so he scales to 0.86c, and with Great Ape, he becomes 8.6c.
Post-Namek Saga Goku scales above Kaio-ken x4 Goku from the Saiyan Saga, so he scales to 3.44c with Kaio-ken.

• I messed up and scaled Post-Namek Saga Goku's Power Level to Saiyan Saga Kaio-ken Goku's Power Level, which gave me 17.2c with Kaio-ken.

Post-Zenkai Goku scales above all of that, so he scales to 8.6c. With Kaio-ken, this becomes 17.2c, and with Kaio-ken x20, we get 172c.
It's the current system we use now, but only with multipliers established in-universe (Kaio-ken and Great Ape).

 

[Stefano4444]

Do we accept the Great Ape Multiplier here?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Vegeta's page only has higher as oozaru in both strenght and speed and the notable abilities section doesn't mention the multiplier so no.

 

[Stefano4444]

Vegeta's page only has higher as oozaru in both strenght and speed and the notable abilities section doesn't mention the multiplier so no.

I see, although are there any argument against using that multiplier?

Vegeta did stated in the Manga that the Great Ape is a 10 power increase, its not like its come from a power level list or a guidebook.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I don't see any reason why not to use it because that statement did came from the canon manga

 

[Thelastmlg]

Agreed, idk about it being used on speed unless it is stated to be, but it is definitely a strenght and AP multiplier.

And it would make sense to increase speed as well, since great apes can move super quick and they need to get faster to do so due to the increased body mass and volume.

 

[Stefano4444]

Agreed, idk about it being used on speed unless it is stated to be, but it is definitely a strenght and AP multiplier.

It should be a speed increase as well, there is nothing to suggest that a Oozaru would be slower than a regular saiyan.

I mean the Wrath Form, which was compared to the Great Ape Form, made Broly both stronger than faster.

 

[Thelastmlg]

The problem is that the wiki doesn't consider it a speed multipliers without direct statements, even if the logic makes sense.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Agree with the upgrades.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The problem is that the wiki doesn't consider it a speed multipliers without direct statements, even if the logic makes sense.

Insert "If my power increases, doesn't my speed increase as well" statement.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Scans for that would be good

 

[Stefano4444]

Scans for that would be good

Here.

 

[Thelastmlg]

That...sounds like an groudbreaking scan for pretty much all multipliers in the series.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Ki scales to all physical stats, after all.

 

[Veryfunnydidlaugh]

Agreed, idk about it being used on speed unless it is stated to be, but it is definitely a strenght and AP multiplier.

And it would make sense to increase speed as well, since great apes can move super quick and they need to get faster to do so due to the increased body mass and volume.

How would that affect Kid Goku's AP though?

 

[Firestorm808]

Couldn't you technically shorten the timeframe a bit since we see the glow of the attack travel to the viewer on Earth from the moon at the 3 seconds mark?

If it took 3 seconds for people on Earth to see the return glow, then it technically took the attack 1.7 seconds to reach the moon. So, about 76.4% SoL.

 

[KLOL506]

******* finally. Someone finally takes my word to heart and carries it out.

Yeah this is fine, I did the calc myself in the Roshi Moon Bust thread and I used both Kai and OG anime, the results check out just fine.

 

[KLOL506]

Short note, this would affect both manga and anime Piccolo.

 

[KLOL506]

Couldn't you technically shorten the timeframe a bit since we see the glow of the attack travel to the viewer on Earth from the moon at the 3 seconds mark?

If it took 3 seconds for people on Earth to see the return glow, then it technically took the attack 1.7 seconds to reach the moon. So, about 76.4% SoL.

I originally assumed a 3 second mark as a low-ball based on the visuals of the actual beam travelling from Piccolo's hand to the moon (The feat itself cuts to the moon glowing after those 3 seconds). I didn't actually take the moon glowing brighter as a result afterwards into account.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Couldn't you technically shorten the timeframe a bit since we see the glow of the attack travel to the viewer on Earth from the moon at the 3 seconds mark?

If it took 3 seconds for people on Earth to see the return glow, then it technically took the attack 1.7 seconds to reach the moon. So, about 76.4% SoL.

Yeah I can edit the calc.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah I can edit the calc.

Don't forget to ask a few more calc members to check it out.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Yeah I'll do that too.

 

[KLOL506]

Oh, one more thing, keep both ends of the calc with both of their reasonings just in case.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I updated the calc. And put it in the evaluations thread.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I updated the calc. And put it in the evaluations thread.

You can ask the calc group member who evaluated your calc to look at it again. This might help too

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

The new results have been accepted. 0.764c FTW!!! I’ll make a scaling chain blog later kek.

 

[Arcker123]

Can we have ftl now?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Yeah. Vegeta’s first key is FTL.

 

[Stefano4444]

Can we have ftl now?

FTL via scaling and multipliers, like before.

Saiyan Saga Vegeta is definitely that fast, i would argue that he should be FTL even with scaling alone.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

If that's so, then should this upgrade be implemented? This is a pretty straightforward upgrade and all staff members who commented here seemed to agree with the calc

 

[Stefano4444]

If that's so, then should this upgrade be implemented? This is a pretty straightforward upgrade and all staff members who commented here seemed to agree with the calc

This involve a shit tons of profiles from a very popular verse, it take time.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Hear me out.
Beginning of Series Piccolo and Goku (408 and 416) = 0.43c
Kaio-ken Goku (16,000 | 24,000 | 32,000) = >0.86c | >1.29c | >1.72c
Great Ape Vegeta (180,000) = >8.6c
Post-Namek Training Kaio-ken Goku (160,000) = >17.2c
Post-Zenkai Kaio-ken Goku (6,000,000 | 60,000,000) = >34.4c | >344c

This is scary now.

 

[AKM sama]

If that's so, then should this upgrade be implemented? This is a pretty straightforward upgrade and all staff members who commented here seemed to agree with the calc

Agreeing with Piccolo's feat calc and discussing the scaling chain for a lot of major characters from a popular verse are two different things. The latter is a much bigger revision for the verse and should require its own thread.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Agreeing with Piccolo's feat calc and discussing the scaling chain for a lot of major characters from a popular verse are two different things. The latter is a much bigger revision for the verse and should require its own thread.

Ok then

 

[Arcker123]

Is it possible to get mftl here?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I’ll make the CRT. NO ONE ELSE! Okay?

 

[KLOL506]

I’ll make the CRT. NO ONE ELSE! Okay?

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BOI

Knew this day would finally arrive.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I really should update this blog and also add the DB era characters on the list.