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DBZ: AP Scaling Update - Namek to Buu arc Saga Scaling Chain

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So, the average planet of dragon ball now has a conservative GBE of 1.329349904 Yottatons (5-B, Planet level). A Power level of 10,000 is capable of destroying a planet. With the conclusion of the Frieza Upgrade thread, the Namek-Frieza scaling becomes like this:

Namek Saga​

First Form Frieza casually destroyed Planet Vegeta, has a Battle Power of 530,000 - 14.82449109 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Base Goku is 1/10th the strength of his Kaio-ken x10 self - 1.482449109 Quettatons (Dwarf Star level
  • Kaio-ken Goku is twice the strength of his Kaio-ken self with a power level of 180,000- 2.964898218 Quettatons (Dwarf Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 Goku has a Battle Power of 900,000 , which is greater than First Form Frieza's - 14.82449109 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Frieza Saga​

Post-King Kai training Piccolo is 1/5th weaker than himself before fusing with Nail, which puts his power level at roughly 200,000, above Kaioken X2 Goku - 5.594147581132075 Quettatons (Dwarf Star level)

Second Form Frieza is 2x First Form with a power level over 1 million, Piccolo (after fusing with Nail) and Gohan (mad) are comparable to him - 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Third Form Frieza is superior, final zenkai-boost Vegeta surpassed him - 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Post Zenkai Base Goku surpassed them all with a PL of 3,000,000, and scales above third form Frieza- 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 Goku - 296.4898218 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 Goku - 592.9796436 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x base - 1,482.449109 Quettatons (Large Star level)
Final Form Frieza at 50% is superior to a Kaio-ken x20 kamehameha - 592.9796436 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Final Form Frieza at 100% - 1,185.9592872 Quettatons (Large Star level)
Note
Anyone above 10,000 PL can be scaled, back scaling directly from the 10,000 power level however was avoided and those with PLs below 10,000 only scaled directly from characters at that level with proof, not arbitrarily. Kaioken was the ONLY thing allowed to linearly back scale from as it is a complete linear boost
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I removed the BOZ- Saiyan chains until the other thread is done due to issues pointed out by staff

As discussed in this thread, continuing with the Android and Buu sagas would be best, so here they are

Android Saga​

Base Future Gohan should be decades stronger than his Frieza Saga self - 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)
  • Super Saiyan Future Gohan is 50x stronger - 1,482.449109 Quettatons (Large Star level)​
  • Future 17 can beat him with half his power, present androids are far superior - 2,964.898218 Quettatons (Large Star level)​
Super Saiyan Vegeta can fight evenly against Android 18, Super Saiyan Goku is comparable to him - 2,964.898218 Quettatons (Large Star level)​
  • Base Vegeta and Goku are 1/50th Super Saiyan - 59.29796436 Quettatons (Small Star level)​
Piccolo after fusing with Kami surpasses Goku and Vegeta, and can fight evenly against Android 17 - 2,964.898218 Quettatons (Large Star level)​

Cell Saga​

Imperfect Cell after absorbing more people is superior to Piccolo (after he fused with Kami) and Android 17 - 2,964.898218 Quettatons (Large Star level)
  • Semi-Perfect Cell adds Android 17's strength to his own - 5,929.796436 Quettatons (Large Star level)​
  • Super Saiyan Trunks was an immediate threat to Semi-Perfect Cell, Super Saiyan Vegeta is comparable to him - 5,929.796436 Quettatons (Large Star level)
  • Base Vegeta and Trunks are 1/50th their Super Saiyan selves - 118.59592872 Quettatons (Small Star level)​

Cell Games​

Super Saiyan Goku with 50% of his power alone surpasses his piers, even Trunks and Vegeta, is only weaker than Perfect Cell and calm Super Saiyan Gohan - 11,859.592872 Quettatons (Large Star level)
  • Base Goku is 1/50th his Super Saiyan self - 237.19185744 Quettatons (Star level)​
Super Perfect Cell threatened to destroy the Solar System from Earth - 1.053 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​
  • Super Saiyan 2 Gohan defeats Super Perfect Cell - 1.053 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Base Gohan is 1/100th his Super Saiyan 2 self - 10.53 Foe (Large Star level)​
  • Super Saiyan Gohan is 50x base - 526.5 Foe (Solar System level)​

Majin Buu Saga​

Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta both surpass Super Saiyan 2 Gohan from the Cell Games - 1.053 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Base Goku and Vegeta are 1/100th Super Saiyan 2 - 10.53 Foe (Large Star level)​
  • Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta are 50x base - 526.5 Foe (Solar System level)​
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku is 4x Super Saiyan 2 - 4.212 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's power registered as being greater than Super Saiyan Goku- 5
26.5 Foe (Solar System level)​

  • Base Gohan is 1/100th Super Saiyan 2 - 5.265 Foe (Large Star level)​
  • Super Saiyan Gohan is 50x base, Dabura, while holding back, is comparable to him - 263.25 Foe (Solar System level)​
Dabura is comparable to Cell - 1.053 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​

Fusion Saga​

Base Gotenks is superior to Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta - 1.053 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan Gotenks is 50x base - 52.65 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​
  • Post-RoSaT training Gotenks surpasses his previous Super Saiyan self - 52.65 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan Gotenks is 50x base - 2.6325 MegaFoe (Solar System level)​
  • Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is 8x Super Saiyan, Potential Unleashed Gohan is superior to both - 21.06 MegaFoe (Solar System level)​
Super Buu is around the same level as Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, later absorbing him adding his power to his own, and later absorbs Gohan after Gotenks defuses inside him, becoming even stronger - 42.12 MegaFoe (Solar System level)​
  • Base Vegito is superior to both Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks and Potential Unleashed Gohan - 21.06 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan Vegito is 50x stronger than his base self - 1.053 GigaFoe (Solar System level)​

Beginning of Super (Manga)​

As a Super Saiyan alone Goku believed he could take on Kid Buu, who his Super Saiyan 3 Buu Saga self couldn't defeat - 4.212 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​
  • Base Goku is 1/50th Super Saiyan - 84.24 Foe (Solar System level)​
  • Super Saiyan 2 Goku is 2x Super Saiyan - 8.424 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku is 4x Super Saiyan 2 - 33.696 KiloFoe (Solar System level)​
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I meant, we are still discussing when it would still be appropriate to use downscaling.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I meant, we are still discussing when it would still be appropriate to use downscaling.
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Only thing I downscaled here was kaioken and explicit statements with explicit values which were referenced, nothing else downscaled


But if it's decided that Kaioken doesn't downscale either, that's also fine, it can easily be modified,

But is there anything else you see that needs fixing?
 
Jaakor48 said:
Only thing I downscaled here was kaioken and explicit statements with explicit values which were referenced, nothing else downscaled


But if it's decided that Kaioken doesn't downscale either, that's also fine, it can easily be modified,

But is there anything else you see that needs fixing?
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You need the scaling to be extended to Android/Saga and up until SSJ Cell Games Goku. Anything beyond him scales from Cell's 4-B KHH
 
Padaruyos said:
You need the scaling to be extended to Android/Saga and up until SSJ Cell Games Goku. Anything beyond him scales from Cell's 4-B KHH
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Someone else is doing this, I don't want to step on them

Damage3245 said:
Isn't there already another thread up here? https://vsbattles.com/threads/drago...e-raditz-saiyan-namek-saga-tiers-only.167092/

I do not think we should overlapping CRT's going on at the same time. Not to mention there may be too many Dragon Ball CRTs active at the same time.
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That doesn't affect Namek-Frieza saga, which is the main focus of this thread,
 
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Damage3245 said:
do not think we should overlapping CRT's going on at the same time. Not to mention there may be too many Dragon Ball CRTs active at the same time.
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Dragon Ball has the DC/Marvel six thread rule officially
Up to three active content revision threads can be open for any verse. If three active content revision threads are in progress, the community must conclude one before creating a new one.
  • Marvel Comics and DC Comics are exempt from this rule to accommodate their continuous flow of large amounts of story material. Thus, they may have a maximum of six active threads open simultaneously. This exception also applies to extremely popular verses like Dragon Ball, to be granted on a case-by-case basis.
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Though overlapping CRTs are still a no-no since if both pass which one takes priority?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Dragon Ball has the DC/Marvel six thread rule officially

Though overlapping CRTs are still a no-no since if both pass which one takes priority?
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Mine doesn't overlap with the namek saga, they are free to ignore the Saiyan saga, namek saga is the main issue, I can remove that part from the OP if that's the issue


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Removed it
 
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Wait just rechecked the AP blog and yes base and SS1 Gohan is scales to Solar Kamehameha just with a downscaling multiplier.
 
Padaruyos said:
Wait just rechecked the AP blog and yes base and SS1 Gohan is scales to Solar Kamehameha just with a downscaling multiplier.
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It's going to be updated, ssj2 and SPC will be the start of the solar system tier, those are the ones that will downscale from the solar and father/son Kamehameha
 
Ryzen7900X said:
33.33X Goku's previous power level though not sure what the basis for this linear scaling specifically is but it should be no lower than 29 Quettatons
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Linear upscaling is not a problem because 99% of the time their AP difference are Superior to the value itself, it's downscaling that the issue


But if that's a problem I can bring it down to the. Same 29 quettatons and go from there
 
Jaakor48 said:
Linear upscaling is not a problem because 99% of the time their AP difference are Superior to the value itself, it's downscaling that the issue


But if that's a problem I can bring it down to the. Same 29 quettatons and go from there
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I agree the actual increase is probably exponential but we dont treat it that way unfortunately
 
Jaakor48 said:
So, the average planet of dragon ball now has a conservative GBE of 1.329349904 Yottatons (5-B, Planet level). A Power level of 10,000 is capable of destroying a planet. With the conclusion of the Frieza Upgrade thread, the Namek-Frieza scaling becomes like this:

EDIT
I removed the BOZ- Saiyan chains until the other thread is done due to issues pointed out by staff
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why the random Foe at this part?


Third Form Frieza is superior, final zenkai-boost Vegeta surpassed him - 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Post Zenkai Base Goku surpassed them all with a PL of 3,000,000, 33.33 times stronger than his previous base- 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 Goku - 296.4898218 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 Goku - 592.9796436 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x base - 0.06202567072056 Foe (Large Star level)
Final Form Frieza at 50% is superior to a Kaio-ken x20 kamehameha - 592.9796436 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Final Form Frieza at 100% - 0.049620536576448 Foe (Large Star level)
it should be:
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x base - 1482.449109 Quettatons (Large Star level)
  • Final Form Frieza at 100% - 1185.9592872 Quettatons (Large Star level)

Also why did you stop at Final Form Freeza? you do know this affects everything after Freeza to the Buu Saga right? honestly this complicates things without much reason
 
omegabronic said:
why the random Foe at this part?


Third Form Frieza is superior, final zenkai-boost Vegeta surpassed him - 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Post Zenkai Base Goku surpassed them all with a PL of 3,000,000, 33.33 times stronger than his previous base- 29.64898218 Quettatons (Small Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x10 Goku - 296.4898218 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Kaio-ken x20 Goku - 592.9796436 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x base - 0.06202567072056 Foe (Large Star level)
Final Form Frieza at 50% is superior to a Kaio-ken x20 kamehameha - 592.9796436 Quettatons (Star level)
  • Final Form Frieza at 100% - 0.049620536576448 Foe (Large Star level)
it should be:
  • Super Saiyan Goku is 50x base - 1482.449109 Quettatons (Large Star level)
  • Final Form Frieza at 100% - 1185.9592872 Quettatons (Large Star level)
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Same reason we use 1 gigaton instead of 1000 megatons, Foe is the next unit the wiki uses once you cross 1000 Quettatons
omegabronic said:
Also why did you stop at Final Form Freeza? you do know this affects everything after Freeza to the Buu Saga right? honestly this complicates things without much reason
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Damage and Co said they're working on the cell saga and above characters after the solar Kamehameha thread
 
Jaakor48 said:
Same reason we use 1 gigaton instead of 1000 megatons, Foe is the next unit the wiki uses once you cross 1000 Quettatons
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no, 1 Foe is 23,900 Quettatons......also, you do realize you put fractions of Foe right? under that logic you would put 1 Foe instead of 0.0 ones

Jaakor48 said:
Damage and Co said they're working on the cell saga and above characters after the solar Kamehameha thread
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yeah? so? like, ok, this thread gets aproved............so what? what do we scale the Cell saga and afterwards? do we just leave this hanging? whatever changes they make can be applied, this thread is not really trying to change any of their arguments in those threads at all
 
omegabronic said:
yeah? so? like, ok, this thread gets aproved............so what? what do we scale the Cell saga and afterwards? do we just leave this hanging? whatever changes they make can be applied, this thread is not really trying to change any of their arguments in those threads at all
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Yeah, no need to wait for me on that.
 
omegabronic said:
no, 1 Foe is 23,900 Quettatons......also, you do realize you put fractions of Foe right? under that logic you would put 1 Foe instead of 0.0 ones
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Yes I do.The values in Foe and your values in Quettaton equate to the same value, I prefer using 0.06 and taking from there than saying 1000+ Quettatons. It the same equivalent value
omegabronic said:
yeah? so? like, ok, this thread gets aproved............so what? what do we scale the Cell saga and afterwards? do we just leave this hanging? whatever changes they make can be applied, this thread is not really trying to change any of their arguments in those threads at all
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I didn't want to step on anyone's toes in case the values may not match, that is all

Damage3245 said:
Yeah, no need to wait for me on that.
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I'll get started with that one after this has been accepted then
 
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