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Infinite Zamasu only fused with U7 not the whole timeline.
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There is litteraly a revision going on to do litteraly just that, having 3-A and low 2-C as seperate was always nonsense anyway, even the admin admitted we needed to revise that down the line.Xerkser500 said:Going by the logic I bolded out, every single verse that has universal destruction from japanese subs needs to be Low 2-C too, making 3-A a near pointless tier in general.Dragomer said:My sentence make complet sense, look at a goddamn DB map and tell where the hell the Kaioshin realm is physicaly connected to the mortal universe.
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Also the very definition of universe in japanese is litteraly how we define low 2-C
Also, unless I missed something, the map of DB isn't an argument for anything. The Kaioshin Realm is only separated from the living universe, not Universe 7 in general.
https://media.discordapp.net/attach...9512221155349/image0.jpg?width=284&height=301DarkDragonMedeus said:Where is it stated Kaioshin Realm is outside of space-time? Not to mention there's no proof of Universe 6 having its own space-time separate from Universe 7 either.
This only says that the afterlife is a world where time exists, not that it's a seperate place outside of space-time.EmperorRorepme said:https://media.discordapp.net/attach...9512221155349/image0.jpg?width=284&height=301DarkDragonMedeus said:Where is it stated Kaioshin Realm is outside of space-time? Not to mention there's no proof of Universe 6 having its own space-time separate from Universe 7 either.
But the Grand Priest created the Top arena there out of nothing. Plus, he gave all each fighters their home world gravity so they can move.Elizhaa said:The Voids in DB failed to pass the Timeless Voids Standards. Hence, why lowers tiers characters can move and why no characters has Infinite Speed yet.
It failed to have the property of what we consider a timeless void but it's still a spaceless and timeless void in universe and was the only other use of void, so in DB, void is clearly associated with 'no space-time'.Elizhaa said:The Voids in DB failed to pass the Timeless Voids Standards. Hence, why lowers tiers characters can move and why no characters has Infinite Speed yet.
Dragomer, I understand your passion but there is no need for insults. If you want to debunked arguments, you should called them out when they are Fallacy. This method is more effective.
This literally makes absolutely no sense.Dragomer said:It failed to have the property of what we consider a timeless void but it's still a spaceless and timeless void in universe and was the only other use of void, so in DB, void is clearly associated with 'no space-time'.
Dude, no one is trying to say it should be used for giving infinite speed to anyone, it's just being brough up to say that 'turning the universe into a void' doesn't mean 'an empty space time-continuum' because Void was used in universe to describe a spaceless, timeless place, that's all.DarkDragonMedeus said:Those are hax feats, and Grand Priest so far above Infinite Zamasu for sure, but still nothing indicates the Timeless Void standards for Infinite speed.
This literally makes absolutely no sense.Xerkser500 said:Dragomer said:It failed to have the property of what we consider a timeless void but it's still a spaceless and timeless void in universe and was the only other use of void, so in DB, void is clearly associated with 'no space-time'.
Your taking 2 different contexts of how "void" was used and trying to mix them together to make them be the same exact thing in the same exact situation.Dragomer said:Dude, no one is trying to say it should be used for giving infinite speed to anyone, it's just being brough up to say that 'turning the universe into a void' doesn't mean 'an empty space time-continuum' because Void was used in universe to describe a spaceless, timeless place, that's all.
Replies in bold.ShadowWarrior1999 said:No, they are connected by space, you can have dimension seperated by space but still within the same space time continuum, that's basic.
That still doesn't prove space-time is being affected.
They litteraly have a physical object moved by the Grand Priest's power to tell time and use a god's way of mesuring time, said gods who are used to cross between different space time continuum, we have no indication time is going on, don't talk like they were using a random watch to say when to stop the tournament.
They shouldn't be able to tell time in the first place, plus it still doesn't change the fact that this is extrapolation.
Krillin can move in it because once again, DB never considered 3-A and low 2-C different and doesn't take dimensional tiering into account at all like numerous other show, DB is just a vers where a timeless, spaceless void doesn't have any special effect that would depend on powers.
This is the same kind of logic I can use to say Saitama is tier 0 because One Punch Man never took into account the NLF when they say Saitama is limitless and never loses.
No, it's called bulshit, you can't extrapolate a different meaning of Void when it can mean both and the only other exemple of it being used was to refer to the exact opposite of what you're trying to say.
yeah, yeah, keep repeating that, it will become true maybe.
I suggest you chill out. Yes, you are using extrapolation because those are two completely different scenes with no connection to one another.
No, there is no 'two context', Void was used to describe how the universe would be if Beerus and Goku really destroy it and Void was then later used to describe a timeless, spaceless void and was never used to describe anything else, so you can't claim it mean 'an empty space time continuum' when we all the info we have indicate they meant 'timeless, spaceless void'Xerkser500 said:Your taking 2 different contexts of how "void" was used and trying to mix them together to make them be the same exact thing in the same exact situation.Dragomer said:Dude, no one is trying to say it should be used for giving infinite speed to anyone, it's just being brough up to say that 'turning the universe into a void' doesn't mean 'an empty space time-continuum' because Void was used in universe to describe a spaceless, timeless place, that's all.
But its not a timeless void as the entire arc of the ToP proves so. Hit being able to use his time hax in the void, as well as Grand Priest giving a timer and a time limit on the tournament proves very well that time is existent there.Dragomer said:It is a timeless Void but it doesn't have the property of a timeless void as defined by our wiki, it totaly works like that, our wiki has a tone of definition that doesn't fit specific show's definition of something.
That's like how Star Platinuum is a top tier stand in-universe in JJBA but on this site it's pretty much considered low tier.
The entier TOP arc doesn't prove it.Xerkser500 said:But its not a timeless void as the entire arc of the ToP proves so. Hit being able to use his time hax in the void, as well as Grand Priest giving a timer and a time limit on the tournament proves very well that time is existent there.Dragomer said:It is a timeless Void but it doesn't have the property of a timeless void as defined by our wiki, it totaly works like that, our wiki has a tone of definition that doesn't fit specific show's definition of something.That's like how Star Platinuum is a top tier stand in-universe in JJBA but on this site it's pretty much considered low tier.
The void having "no time or space" is simply one thing: Hyperbole.
Don't copy / quote what i said at all, that's usualy how we do to avoid quoting wall of text and reduce the bulk, that's also easier to read, quoting line by line become unreadable really quick, trust me.ShadowWarrior1999 said:@Dragonmer Wanted to type my response faster quicker without making the wall of text bigger by putting my refutes right under your points.
All the stuff in bold is me, not that hard to read.
It was an empty Void yet GP created arena there with everything that a mortal needs to survive. Gravity of their home world for each fighter so they can fight at their best.Xerkser500 said:But its not a timeless void as the entire arc of the ToP proves so. Hit being able to use his time hax in the void, as well as Grand Priest giving a timer and a time limit on the tournament proves very well that time is existent there.
The void having "no time or space" is simply one thing: Hyperbole.
The novel is accepted as canon on the wiki. It describes SS Goku as matching Broly at first.KingEzran said:"Base Goku doing so well against Broly"
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You mean, Base Goku countering the first few hits then getting utterly annihilated to the point in which he has to turn Super Saiyan, still doesn't have the edge, then turns Super Saiyan God, slams Broly twice so Broly can slam him more times than he can count, then he turns Super Saiyan Blue just to be crushed by a blast Broly shoots that ends this man's career and turns the winter landscape into a magma ocean?
It all the descriptions that involve the cosmology of universe, the Kaioshin Realm was always be show to exist in a dimension fully outside the Mortal Universe (at difference of the Afterlife, which by the way is still separated from the Mortal Universe by his own space-time), both in old guidebooks that in the DBS manga.DarkDragonMedeus said:Where is it stated Kaioshin Realm is outside of space-time? Not to mention there's no proof of Universe 6 having its own space-time separate from Universe 7 either.