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Didn’t Beerus say that because Vegeta had already used SSB, he could only use less than 10% of its power when he transformed again?
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DBS Manga: The Speed Scaling
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The_Yellow_Topaz
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I linked the scan when I replied to Null, not repeating myself, go look for it. Goku said Vegeta might've won if he didn't turn SS against Cabba, which caused his stamina to deplet.
Yeah, the thread used anime-only scans and then showed these movie pamphlets to say: "This line is in reference to these pamphlets". It wasn't intended for the manga at all.
"A Super Saiyan variant of Super Saiyan God" =/= "SSJ+SSG".
Literally, just SS with God Ki, as the movie clarified.
SSB is not 50x SSG.
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Yes?
Which is why we scale SSB's full power to 10x SSG, because only when SSB was at >10% could SSG surpass it.
Let's do some reading.
"10% of Super Saiyan Blue alone is roughly comparable to the full power of the Super Saiyan God transformation"
It's comparing forms, not directly Goku and Vegeta, that's the next sentence. It's saying the Super Saiyan Blue form at 10% is comparable to Super Saiyan God transformation.
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I retract my previous agreement.
Ssb being only 10x ssg makes no sense.
and did people forget that ssb is literally super saiyan...ya know, the 50x multiplier...onto of super saiyan god? It's literally in the name, super saiyan god super saiyan.
Ssb being only 10x ssg makes no sense.
and did people forget that ssb is literally super saiyan...ya know, the 50x multiplier...onto of super saiyan god? It's literally in the name, super saiyan god super saiyan.
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Big Bang Attack is Low 2-C. It's literally in the name, it's a Big Bang.
It's already accepted anyway, go and make a thread for it, idc
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Well big bang attack is indeed 2-C now....so what's even your point?
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Brother in christ, if you're so butthurt about the current standards GO MAKE A CRT FOR IT.
Leave this one, and upgrade Manga SSB to 50x
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**** me, man. Sorry, I will upgrade ANDROID SAGA VEGETA to Low 2-C immediately because of the name. You're right.
It's Name Fallacy, the fact the name is "SSGSS" is meaningless for the debate..
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Super saiyan god super saiyan is literally transforming into super saiyan god...and then using super saiyan onto of it. It's in the name, it's how it works. It's not that hard..
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Ima call Toyo dude and clear up this mess OAFA.
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Yes, because big bang attack is obviously like SSGSS.
I mean...SSGSS is not super saiyan god..with super saiyan ontop of it right? Right?
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Prove it. We're not using an upgrade based on how the form was named. Virtually all manga descriptions of SSB describe it to be "SS but with God Ki".
Stop using NAMING as an argument, ffs.
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What are you even talking about dude, you’re the one making the crt to change things.
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Tell me how does super saiyan god super saiyan work? is ssgss super saiyan god with kyubi cloak bankai gear 5 ontop of it? Or it's super saiyan god with spartan rage L3+R3 plus O above your head ontop of it?
The_Yellow_Topaz
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The current accepted multiplier for SSB in the manga is 10x, I'm not changing anything.
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I explain on the very first sentence of my reply. Have you tried reading or is that too hard for you?
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I also asked you one simple question. Is your one cell organism of a brain Incapable of doing a simple task as being polite and answering questions. DB fans can't read...but you..you can't even comprehend.
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If the current accepted multiplier for SSB in the manga is 10x then this thread is okay and another CRT needs to be made of it is to be ungraded, if the current accepted multiplier is 50x then likewise a CRT needs to be made. However.......
Super Saiyan variant of SSG literary means SSG but with super Saiyan transformation doing it instead of a base saiyan, that is literally what it implies and that is literally a 50x boost, because the Saiyan would have 50x more ki prior to the SSG
Unless you're saying the SSG or super Saiyan transformation gives a different boost when they use SSB?
This makes no sense
Super Saiyan variant of SSG literary means SSG but with super Saiyan transformation doing it instead of a base saiyan, that is literally what it implies and that is literally a 50x boost, because the Saiyan would have 50x more ki prior to the SSG
Unless you're saying the SSG or super Saiyan transformation gives a different boost when they use SSB?
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Jesus ******* christ, I'm not entertaining this circus anymore. I'll wait for Staff to evaluate this.
For now, I've got @Damage3245's agreement.
For now, I've got @Damage3245's agreement.
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Circus? You are the only clown I see here. I never heard of a 1 clown Circus.
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It is, so these guys just need to do their own thread really, I'm not changing my speed scaling unless 50x is officially accepted.
The manga seems to imply so, and we'd have to either believe Goku was astronomically stronger than Vegeta, which isn't implied in their performances prior to hit and all their sparring matches leading up to the tournament, or accept that SS might not give the same boost to the god power as it does for a regular base saiyan.
Either way, I'll just wait for Staff.
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My man, this is YOUR crt, you can’t just say “Nah not listening” when people disagree, or you won’t get it accepted.
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Buddy, the people here are having a problem with something that's CURRENTLY ACCEPTED IN THE PROFILES, it has NOTHING to do with my CRT or the changes I'm proposing.
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This whole clown circus and other nonsense needs to stop, the next person who says anything else like that is getting reported. It's a thread, chill out. I was asked to check out the thread and I'll get to it when able but if y'all got problems with anything that's currently used in profiles, you go and make a revision. This is a general warning to all, not one specific person.
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I still maintain you haven't proven your claim that the statement caps SSB at 10x SSG.
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I explained that lines specifying data, such as percentages or specific quantities usually use the closest round number, which are 0s and 5s. When they're not being specific.
Whatever percentage of power Vegeta used, it should be closer to 10%, rather than something like 5%. There isn't any specific reason why the writer wouldn't use 5% if he meant something like 5% or less.
Thus, while the statement doesn't cap at 10x, it does contradict the notion that SSB is a 50 times multiplier FRA. Unless we consider Goku to be way stronger than Vegeta to compensate for the difference. But the fact we need to associate a past multiplier to make that claim when the comic itself doesn't come close to portraying it like that is dubious imo.
10x is a low end, and a reasonable one at that.
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I don't think that "couldn't even use 10%" means "the power he used is closer to 10% than 5%." All that inherently means is "He didn't even use a statistically signifcant portion of his power. That simple. it's no anti feat for the SSB multiplier.
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Agree to Disagree. Specifying percentages should mean a similar output to the number specified, but not actually reaching it; Occam's Razor.
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That's just not what Occam's razor does.
(I'll just move the response here)
Your reasoning is just flawed cause it presupposes he would've said "he isn't even using 5% of his power" if SSB was 50x SSG, when that's just not provable, and more assumptive than taking SSB as SSG x SSJ
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It really isn't assumptive at all. In fact, it's logical that "He can't unleash even 5% of his power" would be the line used if Vegeta were to be below that.
There is not a flaw in logic, ergo a fallacy in my reasoning, it's how language works, you don't specify data in round numbers if it's below another round number. Again, it's best to agree to disagree here.
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I overall agree that the new blog looks more fleshed out, has the references and so on. However I am not knowledgeable regarding DBS manga scaling though most of the stuff looks fine, it's clear there is some issue in regards to the ss blue multiplier scaling that should be discussed on a new thread. Even if the new blog is accepted, you guys can literally create a new thread right after this to clear up that issue.
So while I do accept the new blog being more fleshed out than the previous one, I think before it's implemented (profiles are changed), a new thread be created to clear up the multiplier issue and then if 10 is decided we upgate the profiles, but if 50 id accepted the new blog gets updated using the 50x multiplier.
So while I do accept the new blog being more fleshed out than the previous one, I think before it's implemented (profiles are changed), a new thread be created to clear up the multiplier issue and then if 10 is decided we upgate the profiles, but if 50 id accepted the new blog gets updated using the 50x multiplier.
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BTW this has superhero arc scaling in it to help
Also BTW how about the fact start of the Moro arc Goku and Vegeta in a weakened ssj were fighting on par with moros random powered up prisoners, then 2 months later goku in base was able to easily beat a fusion of three of moros strongest prisoner's
Given the 2 month time jump its safe to assume those three prisoner girls were each at least as strong as those random prisoner's who were powered up on namek at the start of the arc, then they fuse and probably added their power together too and base goku easily beat them
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DBS Manga: Super Saiyan Blue's multiplier
I need this to be a quick thread, and apparently no one who was complaining on my thread can spare two minutes to do it. Currently, SSB is scaled to 10x the power of SSG based on this reasoning: (Stronger than before after 3 years of training, 10% of Super Saiyan Blue alone is roughly...
Here it is, your inputs would be appreciated.
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There was no need in being forced to make that thread imo, 10x is currently accepted, anyone who has a problem with it should make a CRT, that's the entire point of CRTs. Anyway at least now, whatever is accepted becomes set in stone for the foreseeable future
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That was recommended by an Admin
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What?
Z Goku's Base form is 1080c, his SS forms would scale to 54000c via multiplier.
SS God Goku scales "far higher than 54000c" because we don't have a multiplier for it
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I thought SSG was given a multiplier above that which dbz ssj Vegito gave? Or was z Goku - SSG Goku > z Goku to ssj Vegito anime only?
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