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DBS low 2-C scaling revision

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Base Goku, Vegeta and rage Trunks stop one of Infinite Zamasu’s attacks in its tracks. Not only did they stop the blast but IZ was forced to fire an even bigger beam to put them down. They also got back up while only suffering from minor injuries. Despite seeming outlandish, there's more evidence to support it.

First and most importantly, all saiyans have the ability to get stronger as they fight and/or when they recover from a near death experience. This happens a lot during the black arc. Not with just Goku Black himself but the other saiyans as well. Here are a couple of examples:

- In this scene, Goku and Vegeta get one shot by the wall of light but later power up and completely destroy it.

- Here Merged Zamasu easily catches full power punches from Goku and Vegeta with no difficulty. After getting a zenkai, Goku is able fight Merged Zamasu by himself. Not only is he able to break through Divine Wrath and damage his face, but he bodies Zamasu with a bunch of kicks and one shots him with Kaioken. This is really impressive because Merged Zamasu is a SSB - Rosé level increase considering base fusions > the max power of a fusee. Goku literally got a potara level increase just because of his stupid biology.

- Here, Trunks went from fighting on par with Black (even losing the fight at the end) to fighting on par with Merged Zamasu, who was physically stronger than Vegito Blue at the time, and even tanked his Final Kamekameha. Potara x Potara level increase. Big kek moment.

As you can see, zenkai boosts are no joke, and I didn’t even include examples from the Tournament of Power. Goku and Vegeta getting a fat zenkai makes sense considering Merged Zamasu ****** them up after they defused, and considering they were recovering while Trunks was busy with Zamasu. Some minor examples I want to mention are:

- Rage Trunks dramatically powers up even further after post zenkai base Goku and Vegeta give him their energy. Mind you they directly sent the energy to Trunks and not to the spirit bomb.

- Post zenkai Goku thought he might be able to do something if he had a senzu bean.

Although they couldn’t do much damage to IZ, that doesn’t mean they can’t back scale. It only means IZ is stronger than them. For example, MCU Ironman and Thanos. Tony is durable enough to survive hits from Thanos but Tony’s actual AP is minuscule when he only made Thanos bleed a drop of blood from multiple attacks. It should be the same case here.

Or simply because they can’t interact with a non corporeal being.

Conclusion? Post Black arc Rage Trunks and people who scale to post Black arc base Goku and Vegeta and above, should be low 2-C.
 
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Base Goku, Vegeta and rage Trunks block and survive attacks from a blood lusted Infinite Zamasu, and got back up while only suffering from minor damage. Despite seeming outlandish, there's more evidence to support it.

First and most importantly, all saiyans have the ability to get stronger as they fight and/or when they recover from a near death experience. This happens a lot during the black arc. Not with just Goku Black himself but the other saiyans as well. Here are a couple of examples:

- In this scene, Goku and Vegeta get one shot by the wall of light but later power up and completely destroy it.

- Here Merged Zamasu easily catches full power punches from Goku and Vegeta with no difficulty. After getting a zenkai, Goku is able fight Merged Zamasu by himself. Not only is he able to break through Divine Wrath and damage his face, but he bodies Zamasu with a bunch of kicks and one shots him with Kaioken. This is really impressive because Merged Zamasu is a SSB - Rosé level increase considering base fusions > the max power of a fusee. Goku literally got a potara level increase just because of his stupid biology.

- Here, Trunks went from fighting on par with Black (even losing the fight at the end) to fighting on par with Merged Zamasu, who was physically stronger than Vegito Blue at the time, and even tanked his Final Kamekameha. Potara x Potara level increase big kek.

As you can see, zenkai boosts are no joke, and I didn’t even include examples from the Tournament of Power. Goku and Vegeta getting a fat zenkai makes sense considering Merged Zamasu ****** them up after they defused, and considering they were recovering while Trunks was busy with Zamasu. Some minor examples I want to mention are:

- Rage Trunks dramatically powers up even further after post zenkai base Goku and Vegeta give him their energy. Mind you they directly sent the energy to Trunks and not to the spirit bomb.

- Post zenkai Goku thought he might be able to do something if he had a senzu bean.

Although they couldn’t do much damage to IZ, that doesn’t mean they can’t back scale. It only means IZ is stronger than them. For example, MCU Ironman and Thanos. Tony is durable enough to survive hits from Thanos but Tony’s actual AP is minuscule when he only made Thanos bleed a drop of blood from multiple attacks. It should be the same case here.

Conclusion? Post Black arc Rage Trunks and people who scale to post Black arc base Goku and Vegeta and above, should be low 2-C.

I swore i heard a seth debate about this, nevertheless i agree.
 
Considering that Saiyans constantly improve over fights (with the Black Saga being a prime exame of that. Yes even more than on Namek), This seems good, especially since Goku and Vegeta contributed most of the energy Trunks used for the sword of hope

Also they couldn't really damage IZ because they can't really fight someone that is literally the universe itself, and they both lack the range for an AoE attack, meaning there's a reason they had to call Zeno
 
Are you sure Zamasu had merged with the universe at that point? In the scene before, where Gowasu was explaining Zamasu's plans, Zamasu had only merged with the planet and was radiating across the universe. Besides, his Mouth Energy Blasts weren't even building busters.

Also, if this were to work, wouldn't Gowasu get Low 2-C barriers for shielding against one of Zamasu's blasts?
 
Disagree Probably agree, they’d be High 3-A tho since Zamasu is baseline I think. Same thing as half of 2-C being Low 2-C which I know is probably stupid but it is what it is.
 
High 3-A also has a time component once you get past infinite energy. They’d still be below baseline low 2-C though.

Edit: It used to be that way, High 3-A Diavolo and all, might have gotten yeeted due to tiering revisions.
 
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... that’s not how it works pretty sure. You can’t get upgraded because people downscale from you.

Also this ain’t just a little, Goku saying he might be able to do something if he had a senzu bean would be referencing himself at full power so Goku’s entire transformation scaling chain is under IZ.
 
You do know the difference between high 3-A is unquantifiable to infinite? High 3-A is out of the question and headcanon.
 
There was a thread on this which got cucked due to forum move, but I think Infinite Zamasu should scale above Baseline Low 2-C.

After all, didn't he cross the distance between 2 timelines? That's still Low 2-C, but it should be above baseline, from my little knowledge of the system
 
Are you sure Zamasu had merged with the universe at that point? In the scene before, where Gowasu was explaining Zamasu's plans, Zamasu had only merged with the planet and was radiating across the universe. Besides, his Mouth Energy Blasts weren't even building busters.

Also, if this were to work, wouldn't Gowasu get Low 2-C barriers for shielding against one of Zamasu's blasts?
For the first question, a hard yes. Future Universe 7 was already dead (LITERALLY) thanks to him having fully merged with it, he was also leaking into the Present living Universe 7 and by that extension he would eventually become flat-out 2-C if he wasn't stopped by Zen'O.

As for the second question and the mouth energy blasts, good old ki control. No idea about the barriers.
 
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@Zamasu_Chan It’s also weird that you’re saying this should scale straight up to their base forms when you previously argued you only need a very small AP advantage to oneshot someone in DB as shown in the Cell Saga.
 
For the first question, a hard yes. Future Universe 7 was already dead thanks to him fully merging, he was also leaking into the Present living Universe 7 and by that extension he would eventually become flat-out 2-C if he wasn't stopped by Zen'O.

As for the second question and the mouth energy blasts, good old ki control. No idea about the barriers.
As I said, shouldn't this make Zamasu above Baseline Low 2-C?

Maybe it's better to reserve this for another thread...
 
@Zamasu_Chan It’s also weird that you’re saying this should scale straight up to their base forms when you previously argued you only need a very small AP advantage to oneshot someone in DB as shown in the Cell Saga.
Pretty sure this wasn't gonna scale to base Goku anyway, only full-powered Goku since the scene literally indicates he'd use the Senzu Bean to regain his stamina, go SSB and Kamehameha Zamasu outta existence.
 
Pretty sure this wasn't gonna scale to base Goku anyway, only full-powered Goku since the scene literally indicates he'd use the Senzu Bean to regain his stamina, go SSB and Kamehameha Zamasu outta existence.
Hehe. Read the OP again.
 
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