His Ki could not even be felt by the angels and gods of destruction, including GP. It has been clearly stated that Goku has disappeared. In Ultra Instinct, it did not appear for the first 3 seconds and appeared out of nowhere. Don't you think it's silly not to give any credit to this?
Dude, the high priest clearly says that Goku was destroyed.
I will state it again. Confirmed to be destroyed by the Grand Priest and Vados, and Zeno was almost about to eliminate Goku as he disappeared. His Ki could not be felt even by the gods. It would be weird not to give anything away because it can't be seen.
You just like put words in my mouth, mods disagreeing can change the outcome of the thread, I’ve seen it happen (and it’s the same dude doing it
), one disagreeing for no real reason is pretty bad for the reasons above. Like if I came in here saying I disagree bc I’m not seeing what yall seeing, obviously nobody would fw that like wtf, tf you mean you don’t see it, I explained it. Anyways, stop tryna change what I said. Threads are made for arguments, if you can’t make a argument, don’t say anything to **** up the thread, that should be like a unspoken rule everyone knows.
For example, I would like to mention that we have an option to give Limited or Possibly.
I also think that's it, Goku has also shown to have regeneration abilities from a hole in the chest that Beerus opened by himself, I believe that the forms of God gives some abilities to Goku
We’re never shown or hinted at it bc goku never died again? I think that’s a good refutation to that Lmao. Firstly, Goku could just not know about his regeneration but honestly, pretty sure roshi made the statement that kefla could kill goku, roshi could just be wrong, Roshi doesn’t know how strong omen 2 goku is so pretty bad argument.
Btw when did goku ever cared about getting tagged by kefla? Pretty sure he was just dodging with a straight face
where did you get that idea
You know why I said roshi is wrong, bc he doesn’t know how strong goku is since he can’t sense him, I’m pretty sure roshi can’t even since normal ki, he’s not a reliable source, whis on the other hand is very obviously more reliable than roshi but secondly, why what whis said after affect my refutation against you? I never argued that whis is right or wrong about how he thinks Goku entered UI even tho he probably is right since he’s literally teaching goku how to unlock ui throughout the series but I never brought it up so stop it lmao. Like all whis is saying is Goku broke his limits, which is the theme of the tournament. One is a reliable source, one isn’t, simple math.
What you have thrown is not sufficient against the argument I have presented. Nearly every angel and god there was sure that Goku was disappeared, and even Zeno was about to eliminate Goku. Secondly, the fact that Ultra Instinct does not appear for 3 seconds and appears suddenly proves that it was destroyed during Genkidama.
The characters only give conjecture that he might have been vaporized.
And failing to sense his energy is not proof that he was actually dead. Characters have concealed their Ki before.
So what are you tryna say in that last sentence? For sum reason, goku was hiding his energy?
The characters only give conjecture that he might have been vaporized.
And failing to sense his energy is not proof that he was actually dead. Characters have concealed their Ki before.
You can't properly handle Roshi's words. It is not true for a character who can't even feel his God Ki to say that he will die there without knowing Goku's power. Whis only speculated on how Goku got to Ultra Instinct. So it's only natural that Goku has no idea how he got there.
That's where you're wrong.
You're just saying that I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong until you deny me the words of Grand Priest and Vados and the reason Goku didn't appear in Ultra Instinct, and I will continue to stand by the arguments I've made.
Btw does anyone else thinks goku looks concerned?i already attacked the first argument you made, what you’re saying is a argument of ignorance, “omg whis didn’t mention regen so it doesn’t exist” lmao anyways. It’s also your personal opinion that mid godly is the most broken ability ui has so idk why you broke that up, like what does that have to do with what whis thinks? “I don’t think it cuts” isn’t a argument and it showing doesn’t always need a explanation, again, we use logical reasoning to come to a logical conclusion that you have yet to refute but say “omg narrative”
So you’re just wondering why a broken ability to you is not furthered explained upon? “My point is why would an ability that is as broken as a wish for Immortality from the Super Dragon Balls be left so vague and unsubstantiated.” Cool, nb cares, that’s not a counter argument to the arguments being made. Then you say it doesn’t exist but has yet to prove that to be the case.
Okay so? Why would nobody disagreeing with roshi prove anything? It doesn’t inherently mean it’s correct, unless you can prove that to be the case
You then show me the scene I was referring to and then claimed he looked concerned when it’s literally just him looking back at the blast. Show me when he sounded concerned too. Actually go ahead and prove that facial expression shows that he’s concerned.
Yea ik, you’re saying something you can’t prove and then using a non reliable source to back up your claim.
So you insult me by calling me childish bc I use “lol” and “lmao” which is pretty normal speech I see from most ppl and then you give arguments that I’ve already refuted or arguments that have no backing. You’re not serious lmao
You should just ignore that damage guy, he quite literally just said “lol nah, you’re wrong” it’s either he’s trolling or he can’t just think of anything to say
But does this contradict the mechanics of the verse? So the angels, who sense all kinds of energy and life sources, Ki and existence, could not sense Goku's presence at that moment, and all of them confirmed that Goku self-destructed. (including GP)
You're entitled to believe what you think.
I gave my argument further up the thread.
You're just throwing around buzzwords at this point. Your logical reasoning is just taking the highest interpretation of a single moment that doesn't hold up at all in later events.i already attacked the first argument you made, what you’re saying is a argument of ignorance, “omg whis didn’t mention regen so it doesn’t exist” lmao anyways. It’s also your personal opinion that mid godly is the most broken ability ui has so idk why you brought that up, like what does that have to do with what whis thinks? “I don’t think it cuts” isn’t a argument and the showing doesn’t always need a explanation, again, we use logical reasoning to come to a logical conclusion that you have yet to refute but say “omg narrative”
So you’re just wondering why a broken ability to you is not furthered explained upon? “My point is why would an ability that is as broken as a wish for Immortality from the Super Dragon Balls be left so vague and unsubstantiated.” Cool, nb cares, that’s not a counter argument to the arguments being made. Then you say it doesn’t exist but has yet to prove that to be the case.
Okay so? Why would nobody disagreeing with roshi prove anything? It doesn’t inherently mean it’s correct, unless you can prove that to be the case
You then show me the scene I was referring to and then claimed he looked concerned when it’s literally just him looking back at the blast. Show me when he sounded concerned too. Actually go ahead and prove that facial expression shows that he’s concerned.
Yea ik, you’re saying something you can’t prove and then using a non reliable source to back up your claim.
So you insult me by calling me childish bc I use “lol” and “lmao” which is pretty normal speech I see from most ppl and then you give arguments that I’ve already refuted or arguments that have no backing. You’re not serious lmao
Of course it's okay to refuse. Just judging by the argument you've provided, Goku does not take damage after contacting Kefla's attack, which appears to be present in the video you posted. However, I still stand behind the arguments I presented and will continue as long as you don't present a complete anti-feat
But that's not the only problem with the OP, the reason they couldn't sense Goku was because he's destroyed in the moment.(Well, i guess)
That statement wasn't maded by beerus or any angel.
The characters only give conjecture that he might have been vaporized.
And failing to sense his energy is not proof that he was actually dead. Characters have concealed their Ki before.
How? You used a argument from ignorance, I called you out for it. You then claim it’s the highest interpretation, which again as I before, is your personal opinion so actually go ahead and prove it’s the highest interpretation you can have for this scene. You keep saying it so prove it. You’re saying I’m throwing around words and shit, just say you can’t refute me, never addressed a argument and had a dude reply with “you’re just throwing around words” sum of y’all are funny.
omg is it that hard?
anyways, you’re a obvious troll or just can’t admit you’re wrong. You’re getting ignored like that other guy
It depends on who makes the statement.
That’s not against the rules so no.
Insulting people is very much against the rules and will net you a report in the Rules Violations Reports Thread if you keep it up, so yes, please stop
You are absolutely wrong. Android 17's disappearance was never mentioned, he just gave an emotional speech. Zeno didn't even try to eliminate Android 17
