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Disagreed for the reasons Bernkastell provided
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DBS Class Y lifting strength upgrade
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I disagree fra.
Rikimarox2
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Disagree FRA.
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Yeah I'm with you here. Unless the form itself showed planetary lifting strength or Goku physically moved the planet he doesn't scale to the Earth's weight in my view.
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I already responded to this but it's fine I'll say it again, Moro scales to his own lifting strength which is class Y as the whole planet, but why do his hands scale to his full lifting strength? It's because Moro was using his full power when fighting Goku which means he's using his full lifting strength too, we know this because Moro didn't get any stronger or weaker after fusing with the earth yet was still fighting Goku at full power as a tiny mountain and hands, if he wasn't using his full lifting strength like you said then he would be significantly weaker since he's only using a small part of his body but that wasn't true. And regardless Goku overpowered Moro's mountain body as an avatar, if moro was getting overpowered and was about to die, and his ki was powerful enough to support the weight of the planet then how in the hell would he not use his class Y LS to beat Goku?
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People are not understanding that Moro himself doesn't have planet level lifting strength in his arms or whatever. He is rated as such because he became the planet and that's it. Scaling doesn't work in this case.
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Also I thought Characters can't scale their LS to their own weight anymore? Wouldn't that mean Moro shouldn't have Class Y at all?
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XSOULOFCINDERX
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I thought so too. What gives?
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This is just a misunderstanding of this type of LS, this one is not scaled to the whole body equally, is scaled to it entirely only, is even iffy if he has it, moro does not scale to class Y, his entire body has Class Y all over himself due to his size and mass.
His hand being the size of a truck means it's mass and size is immensely smaller than earth's, so he only scales to a minuscule fraction of it, that fraction being the difference between a truck and the earth, well obviously remembering his base LS because of the building feat
His hand being the size of a truck means it's mass and size is immensely smaller than earth's, so he only scales to a minuscule fraction of it, that fraction being the difference between a truck and the earth, well obviously remembering his base LS because of the building feat
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I guess if this is true, then moro himself cannot be scaled to class Y. I am disappointed, I failed again.
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I'll be honest with you, if this went through it would've been a cool way of dbz getting LS, via overpowering someone else big.
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Like it makes sense for me but I don't even know how moro's class Y works anymore.
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Hold on I think you should change moro from straight up class Y, to class M, class Y as earth. Because of what the last mlg said.
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Which was what?
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incredible logic
Vizer04
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Can you explain why i'm wrong?
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Wait you’re not kidding?
Vizer04
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No, i'm not kidding. Can you explain why i'm wrong?
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Huh, alright. Guess we’re doing this.
Can you clarify why being able to blow up planets with energy attacks means they can lift planets?
Vizer04
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Vizer04
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Punches, they can destroy planets with punches.
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I’m aware.
Vizer04
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So, you seriously think they can destroy planets but can't lift them...
azontr
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Striking Strength and Lifting Strength are two entirely separate statistics that don't scale to each other.
Vizer04
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You can derive Attack Potency from Lifting Strength feats via Kinetic Energy or Potential Energy but you can’t derive Lifting Strength from blowing up a planet.
azontr
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Lol, putting ... instead of explaining how this debunks me is an amazing way to debate.
Vizer04
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So you're telling me that Goku can't replicate Supes feat using a Kamehameha?
azontr
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You mean can he replicate a Lifting Feat that gives AP via a move that has nothing to do with Lifting Strength? No, he can't.
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Nope. His Kamehameha would blow up the island.
Vizer04
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Why would blow it up?
azontr
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Because he'd be attacking with a beam of energy that can destroy planets.
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