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DBS: 2-C Universe (Accepted)

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Elizhaa said:
It seems alright.
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Y'all got Elizhaa commenting on your thread??
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Dragon ball goons eating good
 
Aight. So here's the AP ratings for the relevant DBS characters.

BoG SSG Goku tier: 3U 2-C
SSG Goku and Beerus's clash was about to destroy the entirety of Universe 7, a 2-C structure containing 3 space-times.
Includes Base-SSB Goku, Base-SSB Vegeta, Base-Golden Frieza, during RoF up until early ToP. Also includes Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Hit, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Future Trunks, Goku Black, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Base-SSB Vegito, possibly Trio de Danger, various other ToP fighters, Android 17, Pre-DBS:SH Gohan, Pre-DBS:SH Piccolo, Base Broly.

Jiren tier: 6U 2-C (above baseline)
Restrained Jiren is capable of shaking the entire World of Void, something 3 Gods of Destructions clashing at full strength did not do. Two clashing Gods of Destructions are capable of destroying 2 separate macrocosms, each containing 3 separate space-times.
Includes: Jiren, UIO1-3 Goku, PUI Goku, Late-ToP and beyond SSB Goku and Vegeta, Broly Saga Golden Frieza, Kefla, Android 17's barriers and self-destruction, Wrathful-SSFP Broly, SSJ-SSB Gogeta, DBS:SH Gohan, DBS:SH Piccolo, Gamma 1 and Gamma 2, Cell Max, Beerus, all Angels, Grand Priest.

Zen'O Tier: At least 36U 2-C, likely 54U 2-C.
Zen'O is capable of destroying Future Trunks's entire timeline, which contains 12 separate macrocosms each containing 3 space times. Zen'O is likely capable of erasing all of reality at once, which should include the 6 previously erased universe.
Includes: Zen'O, Future Zen'O, Super Shenron.
 
Padaruyos said:
Aight. So here's the AP ratings for the relevant DBS characters.

BoG SSG Goku tier: 3U 2-C
SSG Goku and Beerus's clash was about to destroy the entirety of Universe 7, a 2-C structure containing 3 space-times.
Includes Base-SSB Goku, Base-SSB Vegeta, Base-Golden Frieza, during RoF up until early ToP. Also includes Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Hit, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Future Trunks, Goku Black, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Base-SSB Vegito, possibly Trio de Danger, various other ToP fighters, Android 17, Pre-DBS:SH Gohan, Pre-DBS:SH Piccolo, Base Broly.

Late-ToP SSB Goku tier: 6U 2-C (above baseline)
Restrained Jiren is capable of shaking the entire World of Void, something 3 Gods of Destructions clashing at full strength did not do. Two clashing Gods of Destructions are capable of destroying 2 separate macrocosms, each containing 3 separate space-times.
Includes: Jiren, UIO1-3 Goku, PUI Goku, Late-ToP and beyond SSB Goku and Vegeta, Kefla, Android 17's barriers and self-destruction, Wrathful-SSFP Broly, SSJ-SSB Gogeta, DBS:SH Gohan, DBS:SH Piccolo, Gamma 1 and Gamma 2, Cell Max, Beerus, all Angels, Grand Priest.

Zen'O Tier (at least 36U 2-C, likely 54U 2-C
Zen'O is capable of destroying Future Trunks's entire timeline, which contains 12 separate macrocosms each containing 3 space times. Zen'O is likely capable of erasing all of reality at once, which should include the 6 previously erased universe.
Includes: Zen'O, Future Zen'O, Super Shenron.
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No need for all that yet.
 
Padaruyos said:
Aight. So here's the AP ratings for the relevant DBS characters.

BoG SSG Goku tier: 3U 2-C
SSG Goku and Beerus's clash was about to destroy the entirety of Universe 7, a 2-C structure containing 3 space-times.
Includes Base-SSB Goku, Base-SSB Vegeta, Base-Golden Frieza, during RoF up until early ToP. Also includes Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Hit, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Future Trunks, Goku Black, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Base-SSB Vegito, possibly Trio de Danger, various other ToP fighters, Android 17, Pre-DBS:SH Gohan, Pre-DBS:SH Piccolo, Base Broly.

Jiren tier: 6U 2-C (above baseline)
Restrained Jiren is capable of shaking the entire World of Void, something 3 Gods of Destructions clashing at full strength did not do. Two clashing Gods of Destructions are capable of destroying 2 separate macrocosms, each containing 3 separate space-times.
Includes: Jiren, UIO1-3 Goku, PUI Goku, Late-ToP and beyond SSB Goku and Vegeta, Broly Saga Golden Frieza, Kefla, Android 17's barriers and self-destruction, Wrathful-SSFP Broly, SSJ-SSB Gogeta, DBS:SH Gohan, DBS:SH Piccolo, Gamma 1 and Gamma 2, Cell Max, Beerus, all Angels, Grand Priest.

Zen'O Tier: At least 36U 2-C, likely 54U 2-C.
Zen'O is capable of destroying Future Trunks's entire timeline, which contains 12 separate macrocosms each containing 3 space times. Zen'O is likely capable of erasing all of reality at once, which should include the 6 previously erased universe.
Includes: Zen'O, Future Zen'O, Super Shenron.
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Wouldn’t that be 9 universes since 3 G.o.Ds?
 
Vietthai96 said:
As much as i agree with this, i still waiting for a cosmology page. Also, game such as Heroes/XV can still be used as supporting evidences which suggest that DB cosmology is composite of Toei and Canon. We used the same argument to explain on why Cell is Solar System level
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Bro, there are more than 7 guides stating that Cell is a solar system, I have them all here and even a game showing Cell destroying the solar system, besides showing that it can, it needed all of that to be accepted as solar system here ?
 
Padaruyos said:
Aight. So here's the AP ratings for the relevant DBS characters.

BoG SSG Goku tier: 3U 2-C
SSG Goku and Beerus's clash was about to destroy the entirety of Universe 7, a 2-C structure containing 3 space-times.
Includes Base-SSB Goku, Base-SSB Vegeta, Base-Golden Frieza, during RoF up until early ToP. Also includes Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Hit, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Future Trunks, Goku Black, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Base-SSB Vegito, possibly Trio de Danger, various other ToP fighters, Android 17, Pre-DBS:SH Gohan, Pre-DBS:SH Piccolo, Base Broly.

Jiren tier: 6U 2-C (above baseline)
Restrained Jiren is capable of shaking the entire World of Void, something 3 Gods of Destructions clashing at full strength did not do. Two clashing Gods of Destructions are capable of destroying 2 separate macrocosms, each containing 3 separate space-times.
Includes: Jiren, UIO1-3 Goku, PUI Goku, Late-ToP and beyond SSB Goku and Vegeta, Broly Saga Golden Frieza, Kefla, Android 17's barriers and self-destruction, Wrathful-SSFP Broly, SSJ-SSB Gogeta, DBS:SH Gohan, DBS:SH Piccolo, Gamma 1 and Gamma 2, Cell Max, Beerus, all Angels, Grand Priest.

Zen'O Tier: At least 36U 2-C, likely 54U 2-C.
Zen'O is capable of destroying Future Trunks's entire timeline, which contains 12 separate macrocosms each containing 3 space times. Zen'O is likely capable of erasing all of reality at once, which should include the 6 previously erased universe.
Includes: Zen'O, Future Zen'O, Super Shenron.
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Anilaza also, because he is 2-C also right now
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Bro, there are more than 7 guides stating that Cell is a solar system, I have them all here and even a game showing Cell destroying the solar system, besides showing that it can, it needed all of that to be accepted as solar system here ?
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Yep, the crazy early era of DB on the wiki, need an entire blog to prove that Cell can destroy the Solar System
 
Vietthai96 said:
As much as i agree with this, i still waiting for a cosmology page. Also, game such as Heroes/XV can still be used as supporting evidences which suggest that DB cosmology is composite of Toei and Canon. We used the same argument to explain on why Cell is Solar System level
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Nah, the argument in cells case is to shown consistency accross all media, this one doesn't need that, plus this thread is not for that
 
godofice said:
Wouldn’t that be 9 universes since 3 G.o.Ds?
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Not necessarily, I think the same logic of 2 low 2-Cs clashing applies here, we don’t know the actual treshold for destruction of separate spacetimes, nor can we decipher it mathematically like one would applying inverse square law

Even if applied theoretically, a spherical object gains 8 times its surface area If you double its radius netting 8x times the energy requirement to destroy two adjacent spherical objects

it could very well require much more than 3 gods for 3 macrocosms to be destroyed at once.
 
Padaruyos said:
Aight. So here's the AP ratings for the relevant DBS characters.

BoG SSG Goku tier: 3U 2-C
SSG Goku and Beerus's clash was about to destroy the entirety of Universe 7, a 2-C structure containing 3 space-times.
Includes Base-SSB Goku, Base-SSB Vegeta, Base-Golden Frieza, during RoF up until early ToP. Also includes Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Hit, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Future Trunks, Goku Black, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Base-SSB Vegito, possibly Trio de Danger, various other ToP fighters, Android 17, Pre-DBS:SH Gohan, Pre-DBS:SH Piccolo, Base Broly.

Jiren tier: 6U 2-C (above baseline)
Restrained Jiren is capable of shaking the entire World of Void, something 3 Gods of Destructions clashing at full strength did not do. Two clashing Gods of Destructions are capable of destroying 2 separate macrocosms, each containing 3 separate space-times.
Includes: Jiren, UIO1-3 Goku, PUI Goku, Late-ToP and beyond SSB Goku and Vegeta, Broly Saga Golden Frieza, Kefla, Android 17's barriers and self-destruction, Wrathful-SSFP Broly, SSJ-SSB Gogeta, DBS:SH Gohan, DBS:SH Piccolo, Gamma 1 and Gamma 2, Cell Max, Beerus, all Angels, Grand Priest.

Zen'O Tier: At least 36U 2-C, likely 54U 2-C.
Zen'O is capable of destroying Future Trunks's entire timeline, which contains 12 separate macrocosms each containing 3 space times. Zen'O is likely capable of erasing all of reality at once, which should include the 6 previously erased universe.
Includes: Zen'O, Future Zen'O, Super Shenron.
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People, stop discussing scaling in a COSNOLOGY thread
 
Honestly while I don't really care one way or the other, wouldn't it be easier to tackle this just like Sonic's thread did and handle both parts [Scaling and Cosmology] simultaneously ? Like, we already did the major agreement when it was accepted that it's a parralel reality, and the only real way this gets debunked is if that does which would require an entirely separate thread, so wouldn't it be better to deal with two birds with one stone here ?
 
Unless I'm missing something, the scaling seems straightforward enough to handle right away.

Current 3-A and Low 2-C go to 3 universe 2-Cs.

Current 2-Cs Sans Zeno go to 6 universe 2-Cs.

Zeno is whatever number we currently scale him as x3.
 
I was feeling that heaven should be universe, this is very good, now goku, jiren, vegeta, toppo, beerus 4 universe level Hit, zamasu, freiza, black should be 2 universe level

Zeno, GP 24 universe level

Wados whis 4 universe level
Should be passed to profiles as
 
Planck69 said:
Unless I'm missing something, the scaling seems straightforward enough to handle right away.

Current 3-A and Low 2-C go to 3 universe 2-Cs.

Current 2-Cs Sans Zeno go to 6 universe 2-Cs.

Zeno is whatever number we currently scale him as x3.
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Pretty much I was Finna make an entire crt for this but we could do it in here
Matrixxxx said:
I was feeling that heaven should be universe, this is very good, now goku, jiren, vegeta, toppo, beerus 4 universe level Hit, zamasu, freiza, black should be 2 universe level

Zeno, GP 24 universe level

Wados whis 4 universe level
Should be passed to profiles as
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Macrocosm is 3 space times

(also for the dbs manga as well all 3-A’s are 2-C)
 
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