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OK before you go and crucifie me this is not a thread that wants to disprove the firelinking as a valid feat it is complitly valid we have seen its effects on a star in ds3
what i want to disprove is this strange notion that linking the fire somehow creates a new star(which give ds the 4C ratings) it does not, we never got any lore proof for that at all but we do know for a fact that linking the flame is fueling it giving it more gass to burn so to speak, they are fueling the sun giving it more energy too burn. This doesn't qualify for a 4-C rating as they are not making a new star they are just fueling a fading one and we know how long a lord of cinder fuels a star from frampt talking about how long gwyn has been the lord of cinder over a thousand years and the exact amount of power required to fuel a star for a thousand years is 2.9 ninatons of tnt seen in this conculation blog https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/Dark_Souls:_Lords_of_Cinder
this would put most lords of cinder prior to linking the flame at 5-A with the exclusion of the soul of cinder, ashen one, gael and possibly prime gwyn as most of them scale from one another with soul of cinder being composed of at least 7(8 if you want to include the bearer of the curse but it is a bit ambigues if he linked the flame or not) which would put all of them at 20.3 ninatons or high 5-A maybe a bit higher in the high 5-A scale if we treat each individual abyss watcher as powerful enough to link the flame and this will scale to ashen one geal and possibly prime gwyn
Although all of this has one exeption lord of hollows ashen one as he has not just linked the flame he outright absorbed it now that can be easily qualifed for a 4-C rating as he didn't fuel the sun but absorbed it source the thing that keeps it in existences all togther the firstt flame this would be an equevilent of absorbing the star it self and even in the cutsean after he consumes the flame we see that he has some sort of influens over the star as it completely changed its hue and he even "lifts" it(which is likly just a metaphor of his control over the world of ds now but you can take it as you will)
now for the scaling revision
ok first of we need to add a prime key too all of the lords of cinder in ds3 as we can clearly see that most of them have lost a great deal of power after linking the flame this can be seen most well in ludleth he linked the flame twice and now he just a burnt out husk who can't even defend himself i propose that we give the abyss watcher a 6-C likely low-6B key same to yorm the gaint as someone like sigward was canonicly capable of fighting and maybe same goes for aldrich but with him its a bit iffy after he ate gwynodlin lothric brothers remain 5-A as they never linked the flame and are at full power when we face them/
Another thing that need to be adressed is the great lords nito and witch of izzalith they should recive a 5-A rating as well for the simple reason that the demon prince in the ringed city dlc is described as the last remaining embers of the chaos flame and he was able to fight lorian a 5-A character and that would mean that a portion of the witch of izzaliths soul was able to fight a lord of cinder and considering that nito and the witch are parallels of one another(life and death) they comperable to one another.
and the final piece of this revision prime gwyn, I belive that he should recive a high 5-A rateing for a few reasons one during his prime when light was at its most powerful his soul should rival that of the dark soul at its peak of power(gael) as both souls are parallels of one another as light grows dimmer the dark soul gains in power and vice versa another reason is that gwyn split his soul and gave it to the other lords and even after that he was able to link the flame and later on challange the chosen undead(although he was far weaker then the chosen undead at the time he was still somewhat comperable) at his atmost weakest
what i want to disprove is this strange notion that linking the fire somehow creates a new star(which give ds the 4C ratings) it does not, we never got any lore proof for that at all but we do know for a fact that linking the flame is fueling it giving it more gass to burn so to speak, they are fueling the sun giving it more energy too burn. This doesn't qualify for a 4-C rating as they are not making a new star they are just fueling a fading one and we know how long a lord of cinder fuels a star from frampt talking about how long gwyn has been the lord of cinder over a thousand years and the exact amount of power required to fuel a star for a thousand years is 2.9 ninatons of tnt seen in this conculation blog https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/Dark_Souls:_Lords_of_Cinder
this would put most lords of cinder prior to linking the flame at 5-A with the exclusion of the soul of cinder, ashen one, gael and possibly prime gwyn as most of them scale from one another with soul of cinder being composed of at least 7(8 if you want to include the bearer of the curse but it is a bit ambigues if he linked the flame or not) which would put all of them at 20.3 ninatons or high 5-A maybe a bit higher in the high 5-A scale if we treat each individual abyss watcher as powerful enough to link the flame and this will scale to ashen one geal and possibly prime gwyn
Although all of this has one exeption lord of hollows ashen one as he has not just linked the flame he outright absorbed it now that can be easily qualifed for a 4-C rating as he didn't fuel the sun but absorbed it source the thing that keeps it in existences all togther the firstt flame this would be an equevilent of absorbing the star it self and even in the cutsean after he consumes the flame we see that he has some sort of influens over the star as it completely changed its hue and he even "lifts" it(which is likly just a metaphor of his control over the world of ds now but you can take it as you will)
now for the scaling revision
ok first of we need to add a prime key too all of the lords of cinder in ds3 as we can clearly see that most of them have lost a great deal of power after linking the flame this can be seen most well in ludleth he linked the flame twice and now he just a burnt out husk who can't even defend himself i propose that we give the abyss watcher a 6-C likely low-6B key same to yorm the gaint as someone like sigward was canonicly capable of fighting and maybe same goes for aldrich but with him its a bit iffy after he ate gwynodlin lothric brothers remain 5-A as they never linked the flame and are at full power when we face them/
Another thing that need to be adressed is the great lords nito and witch of izzalith they should recive a 5-A rating as well for the simple reason that the demon prince in the ringed city dlc is described as the last remaining embers of the chaos flame and he was able to fight lorian a 5-A character and that would mean that a portion of the witch of izzaliths soul was able to fight a lord of cinder and considering that nito and the witch are parallels of one another(life and death) they comperable to one another.
and the final piece of this revision prime gwyn, I belive that he should recive a high 5-A rateing for a few reasons one during his prime when light was at its most powerful his soul should rival that of the dark soul at its peak of power(gael) as both souls are parallels of one another as light grows dimmer the dark soul gains in power and vice versa another reason is that gwyn split his soul and gave it to the other lords and even after that he was able to link the flame and later on challange the chosen undead(although he was far weaker then the chosen undead at the time he was still somewhat comperable) at his atmost weakest
