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Oh damn mistyped I meant Implied
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Dark Souls Downgrade
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It wasn't.
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Even if not it is still rather obvious that there is a connection between the bell and storm as claimed above.
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But there is also the connection between the Wyvern and storm,it can can maniplate wind and NK can also manipulate wind after absorbing its soul.
Everything during the boss fight is linked with NK and Stormdrake,not the bell,the bell summons NK,not the storm.
Everything during the boss fight is linked with NK and Stormdrake,not the bell,the bell summons NK,not the storm.
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Like what? 'Cause I certainly can't think of anything aside from maybe the Storm Ruler and that's a BIG maybe.Hellbeast1 said:
As for the bell thing, it also coincides with the Stormdrake's arrival and the Nameless King's death, the latter of which could be argued to only have a delay in the same manner a building doesn't immediately collapes when severly damaged.
Though I'm strating to feel that the ultimate problem in this whole thing, from both angles, is speculation. So, if Country level is kept, maybe profiles should be changed to account for that. For example, we have Early Game, Mid Game, Late Game and End Game keys, where Mid Game is "At least Large Town level, likely/possibly Country level" from scaling to Qualaag for contributing 1/14th of the power to melt the stone archtrees and who should be comparable to her sister, who could briefly fight off a Late Game Chosen Undead just before they fight the Bed of Chaos. This is all assuming 6-B is here to stay and is merely a suggestion anyway.
Regardless, I hope something resembling a conclusion comes from this.
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I think that assuming a bell has the power to randomly generate the storm is a bit much. It only goes away after you obtain the NK and the Stormdrake's souls (Remember, it continued after the former obtains the later's soul), and the Stormdrake is not only called the King of the Storm but displays weather manipulation.
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But activating the bell is what summons the storm.
It isn't:
Pull lever -> Bell rings -> (Stormdrake altered and summons) storm appears
It's
Pull lever -> Storm appears -> Bell rings.
The argument that activating the bell is simply alerting the stormdrake and NK, and then they create the storm is almost certainly false. The only way it could be true is if we assume that there is some unseen, unimplied mechanism that alerts them. Which requires a huge assumption compared to the theory that activating the bell is what summons the storm.
It isn't:
Pull lever -> Bell rings -> (Stormdrake altered and summons) storm appears
It's
Pull lever -> Storm appears -> Bell rings.
The argument that activating the bell is simply alerting the stormdrake and NK, and then they create the storm is almost certainly false. The only way it could be true is if we assume that there is some unseen, unimplied mechanism that alerts them. Which requires a huge assumption compared to the theory that activating the bell is what summons the storm.
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It's not really that much of a stretch, though? The bell is clearly not what dissipates the storm. And the Stormdrake clearly displays influence and power over it.
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can't we just put it as "insert new rating, possibly Country level" ?
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We could just go with "At least City level" (scaling from the witches' calc), possibly Country level (Scaling from the storm calc)
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The stormdrake actually never displays influence and power over the storm. The absolute most it shows in terms of "weather attacks" is flapping its wings and sending a gust of wind at you... which could easily just be because it is flapping its wings rather than weather manipulating the air while flapping its wings. All it has is the transposed weapon saying "uses the power of the storm" and its name.
And the bell could certainly be what dissapates the storm. The bell rings and the storm is summoned, once the fight is over the bell rings and the storm goes away. That's a very close connection between the two.
And the bell could certainly be what dissapates the storm. The bell rings and the storm is summoned, once the fight is over the bell rings and the storm goes away. That's a very close connection between the two.
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The nameless king gains wind based powers when he absorbs his soul.
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A title is not a demonstration of weather manipulation though. And the Nameless King isn't shown to gain any abilities either. Your argument is circular. "The storm stays because the Nameless King took the Stormdrakes soul which let it control the storm, thus proving that the storm drake's soul controls the storm"
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Yeah the Stormdrake / King of the Storm having power over the storm there is undeniable.
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he generates winds around his weapon and he can create wind waves
also why would the workshippers of the dragons create a storm summoning bell, when they have no reason to ?
also why would the workshippers of the dragons create a storm summoning bell, when they have no reason to ?
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It's entirely deniable. Having the power of "the storm" from its soul transposition sure, but being the one controlling the arena storm when the bell is shown to be what is summoning and dispelling it is a leap in logic.Matthew Schroeder said:
Many possibilities.Overlord775 said:
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tell me those "Many possibilities."Monarch Laciel said:
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I could, but you'd dismiss them all as evidenceless assumption.
Which is really the problem here, because there isn't enough evidence to say for sure what is actually going on.
Which is really the problem here, because there isn't enough evidence to say for sure what is actually going on.
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Hizack123 said:
Monarch Laciel said:
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then let's just put this as "possibly 6-B"Monarch Laciel said:
it seems the most logical conclusion to me,as there's not conclusive evidence for either the dragon side or the bell side
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How about we don't dismiss something as game mechanics when it most definitely doesn't fall under game mechanics just to support one side of the argument over the other?Hizack123 said:
It's becoming a circle because we're just throwing the same arguments at each other now. Just let it be decided by the votes.
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@Monarch... There is literaly a item that describes the Stormdrake as having the power over storms and you never really disprove it beyond the nebulous "this isn't enough" idea while you yourself are making assumptions through your own speculation.
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I agree with Overlord's suggestion
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At least 7-B, possibly 6-B is an easy solution.
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Yeah, I agree that we should use the Izalith Calc and then say possibly Country level considering this is getting us nowhere.
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@Element, it's speculation that a single line of text on an item leads to a dragon being the one creating and maintaining the storm that's appearing and disappearing is clearly linked to the ringing of bells.
But we'll go with Possibly then.
But we'll go with Possibly then.
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How High into 7B?
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Yes, this is why I'm not suggesting likely. Use the 7-B calc for the low-end, and then possibly 6-B because it is uncertain.
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@Monarch At least I have something more to work with than a pair of cutscenes that, otherwise, aren't explained.
But yeah, can we end this please before things turn south?
But yeah, can we end this please before things turn south?
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"At least City level (defeated Quelaag, who can generate [ this much ] energy with her mother and sisters), possibly Country level (defeated the Stormdrake and nameless King, who were possibly responsible for the creation of a storm of [ this magnitude ] "
Good enough?
Good enough?
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@Gargoyle wait and chill, no need to repeat yourself. You'll get your answer at some point
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yes,it is.Monarch Laciel said:
Also somebody should re-check the calc, to see it needs to be re-calced
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Issue is, considering the 7B calc was done with the mother and her sisters Im wondering if we divide the calc or notMonarch Laciel said:
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Someon find the calc then, I believe it is in chosen undead's history.
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