Dark Souls Downgrade

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, nothing in the DLC and the place itself indicates that. You are misinterpreting why they use the term "World's end" in the story. It's because the world is literally ending.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

I am not a guru in Astrology but An eternal moon hangs above the city, never fading,I copied. Does that mean anything?Also,i think we are out of subject anyways......

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That is poetic to the extreme.

 

[Konaguna]

Some areas like Majula show a setting sun when lost Bastille is already so far away it's always Night time, this should prove that time zones are static and do not change

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Is it poetic because you want it to be so?Or is it really that?

Because as I see,the Moon never fades from Anor Londo's sight.

 

[Konaguna]

It literally says eternal and nothing contradicts it changing

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You do realize that that argument would make the First Flame sustaining the world more impressive, if different regions are literally isolated from each other across time as you're suggesting.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The moon doesn't fade because the player character never stays long enough in the area for time to change, and because Timezones aren't programmed in Dark Souls. Backgrounds are mostly stactic as they are with 99.9% of games. That doesn't mean time is literally frozen in certain regions.

 

[Konaguna]

I said time zones don't change :/

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Timezon's aren't programmed but we have the Lore,it tells us literally.

You do realize that that argument would make the First Flame sustaining the world more impressive


This isn't bad,I am on the right side,and support everything that is right and reasonable.

 

[Konaguna]

So it's a coincidence that on the other side of carthus tomb is the farron swamp with a mid day time zone?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The lore never tells us literally that there are no timezones.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also if the moon hangs over the city permanently why is it not above the city and with another phase here.

And later in the same trailer we see a lunar eclipse, a phenomena that can only happen through a Sun-Earth-Moon alignment, with the Earth blocking the sunlight that would normally reach the moon.

Also Lunar Eclipses are among the oldest means of proving that the Earth is round.

 

[Overlord775]

So it's a coincidence that on the other side of carthus tomb is the farron swamp with a mid day time zone?

time and space are convoluted in Lothric, this is highly shown by the Undended Graves, where we litterally walk in the past, to a time before Ludleth sacrificed himself to link the fire.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I just wanted a country level thread.

Just that.

 

[Schnee_One]

Why didn't we have a rule saying "Don't discuss Star Level" and start deleting comments afterwards?

Would still have been a garbage thread, but it would have slightly helped

 

[LordGinSama]

I agree with Monarch on this. His arguments seem to make more sense than the arguments that are given for the country Level rating. As for the 4-C rating I myself disagree however we should respect Monarch's wishes and leave it out for this. Simply make another thread if it's that big of a deal.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

You don't solve a problem by putting it aside. This is a community and people wanted answers, which they didn't get. Unhappy community leads to protesting and so on. But these problems are not for Monarch's thread and should be dealt with elsewhere.

As for the thread itself, it seems it has come down to whether the storm is made by the bell or the drake. Monarch's reasoning involving the bell seems to make more sense to me.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Agreed, it seems obvious that it was the bell rather then the King Combo (and a better idea since it uses less assumptions)

@Lord BTW I agree with you on the 4-C rating

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Why didn't we have a rule saying "Don't discuss Star Level" and start deleting comments afterwards?

Would still have been a garbage thread, but it would have slightly helped

I think we do have a rule given we have had like five threads on it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I support a rule about it, at this point its tiresome

 

[Konaguna]

You are the last person who should decide that Weekly, you've done nothing but outright deny any kind of downgrade related to Dark Souls. At least Matt and Monarch went through an ordeal to deal with this

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This coming from the guy who promised he'd stay out of dark souls debates

Sorry I have the right to agree with people

 

[Kepekley23]

Don't be children, you two.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Y y'all so mean?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep Hey, I didn't do anything, I just agreed with matt's opinion and unholy went after me

 

[Konaguna]

Huh? Since when have I been nice?

The point is you downright disagree with any kind of downgrade even if we bring scans, just like the time we were downgrading Sunlight spear

You could at least try to make an effort

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I agree with Monarchs's reasoning. Not commenting on the star thing. but boy do I want to

 

[Hellbeast1]

Same ^^^

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm really doubtful myself. The Stormdrake / King of the Storm being the one behind it seems just as believable, and it aligns nicely with the defeat of the boss signaling the storm's fading.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Sure, but when has Dark Souls ever been nice and tidy?

 

[Antvasima]

Please try to be patient with and respectful towards each other within this wiki. If you don't, everybody will end up thinking that it isn't fun to be here anymore and nothing will get done due to all of the bickering.

Also, the staff are doing their best to help out under very difficult circumstances.

 

[Poiesis_Element]

Sigh. Ok, I'm going to break my silence for a moment and ask... has anyone even acknowledged my previous comment's existent. The one that brinks up the Storm Curved Sword's item description. So can someone please comment on it:

"Curved sword imbued with the strength of the Stormdrake.

The Nameless King, ally of the ancient dragons, fought beside the Stormdrake in countless battles. When the great beast fell, the king claimed his soul, as was the custom in the age of gods

Skill: Tornado
Imbue blade with the wrath of storm in a spinning motion, and follow with a strong attack to bear that wrath upon foes."

Also, I agree with Weekly. There needs to be a rule about this, because at this point, it's just tedious to watch. I can't imagine how awful it must feel for the people who've been arguing from the start of all of this. Anyway, in the meantime, I'm going back to silently watching.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Matthew acknowledged it.

I don't think it's enough

 

[Hellbeast1]

Yeah I agree with Monarch it still feels more then a little bit speculative.

 

[Poiesis_Element]

Sorry. It's just that after posting it, it honestly felt like no-one even noticed after the thread was derailed. Anyway, back on topic.

Well, it's certainly more than anything I've seen otherwise. At least we have words to work with. And how's this any more speculative than what's been said here? Could you expand upon that?

Sorry if I come of as snarky or something like that, but I'm honestly just sick of seeing the constant arguments. It's kind of killed my excitement for Dark Souls in VS stuff to the point where I feel sort of impartial on the results.

P.S. really good at saying I'll be quiet and then opening my trap, aren't I?

 

[Hellbeast1]

1. Relatable

Honestly though the reason I feel it's too speculative is it's not clear whether the Drake's power is even related to that of the storm (I mean it could relate to a lot of things)

Also since the bell rings just before the storm is formed and dispersed it seems far more likely the bell does it rather then the Nameless King (Who has no real indication of being responsible other then being there and his mount's name)

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Do you really believe that the storm was summoned by the bell?When we have a Wyvern that can use wind attacks and nameless king that can also use wind attacks after absorbing its soul.

It is more reasonable than the magical bell.

 

[Hellbeast1]

When the bell is stated to be able to manipulate the weather and when it rings the storm around it either is formed or dispersed? Yes

 

[Dzhindzholia]

When the bell is stated to be able to manipulate the weather

Can you post a scan of it?