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Genshin Impact type 3 concept souls

Is this not just what souls normally are?
Not really. It’s the essence of a person in the sense that it underlies a being’s fundamental nature (its essence, properties, qualities, etc.), not some kind of life energy or life force sence. The scans made that clear.
 
Not really. It’s the essence of a person in the sense that it underlies a being’s fundamental nature (its essence, properties, qualities, etc.), not some kind of life energy or life force sence. The scans made that clear.
One has to actually prove that though. Does changing/affecting the soul reflect in the material body in some way? Is there anything else beyond just being called "essence" cause that's not a unique term for normal souls either.
This assumes that its already proven as Conceptual Manipulation though. That is what the crux of the thread is.
 
One has to actually prove that though. Does changing/affecting the soul reflect in the material body in some way? Is there anything else beyond just being called "essence" cause that's not a unique term for normal souls either.
If you have read the scans, it’s not just essence, it’s fundamental essence to existsence, it governs the properties of a being. So changing it would affect a being, but not in a physical sense, rather in the nature of its existence.
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If you have read the scans, it’s not just essence, it’s fundamental essence to existsence, it governs the properties of a being. So changing it would affect a being, but not in a physical sense, rather in the nature of its existence.
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I did and my opinion is largely unchanged. You keep saying "governs the properties of a being" but there is no example or showcase of that. I didn't say that they don't call souls "essence of a being". I'm saying that this is a rather common turn of phrase for souls in general.

The most promising part here is "change their underlying nature". What specifically happens when that change occurs, if it occurs at all? Does it reflect in their physical forms or something?
 
If we’re assuming a Soul here is being referred to in the Honkai sense, then all it is just a system by which information unifies to form the psyche. So IM2.
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Cant the vagueness of CM 3 save it
Lesser Fundamental Concepts: Concepts that don't meet the same standards as Type 1 or Type 2, such as personal concepts that continue to govern the object in question, merely on a more specific scale, or concepts whose nature is not elaborated upon.
 
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Cant the vagueness of CM 3 save it
Lesser Fundamental Concepts: Concepts that don't meet the same standards as Type 1 or Type 2, such as personal concepts that continue to govern the object in question, merely on a more specific scale, or concepts whose nature is not elaborated upon.
The Soul is called a ‘conceptual honeycomb’. Do as you will with the information
 
Erm i hate to be that guy but would this not also affect like all of honkai’s souls not just genshin? Genshin only has info 2 souls from sharing a cosmology with honkai and you can look at the cosmology page (or just click the justification on any profile) for the explanation.
 
Erm i hate to be that guy but would this not also affect like all of honkai’s souls not just genshin? Genshin only has info 2 souls from sharing a cosmology with honkai and you can look at the cosmology page (or just click the justification on any profile) for the explanation.
Yes this directly affect everyone in the Honkai cosmology, not just Genshin
 
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I wouldn’t take the conceptual part so literally though. It’s fundamentally just data, but organized by some system (the soul).
ok but really why tf did she just randomly say "which is the data of the conciousness" 😭 who tf talks like that AND WHY QINGQUE 😭
 
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I wouldn’t take the conceptual part so literally though. It’s fundamentally just data, but organized by some system (the soul).
You can get both Conceptual and Information at once, ngl. The best example is Astral Forms in Marvel
 
So glad that I have these screenshots when I'm playing the event quest.

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This is more promising. That said, it's been brought up that this might be an expression of the souls being fundamental information, as they currently are, so I withhold judgement till that is settled.
 
Here's how I see things:

CM Type 3 is fine, since it's supposed to be vague — "concepts whose nature is not elaborated upon."

If it's about strictness, then since souls are already IM Type 2, it needs to demonstrate something that goes beyond IM Type 2. It should better establish the context, not just state that souls are the essence of a being, but explain that without the soul, the being would no longer be what it is. For example, John would no longer be John without his soul, or the soul is the reason the being exists, and without it, they cease to exist. Neither of those things is how IM Type 2 normally works.

So, I'll just wait to see what the other staff members think.
Yes this directly affect everyone in the Honkai cosmology, not just Genshin
Ok, i will add that
 
Thing OP is arguing should be basic for soul ngl. + As stated above it might go to their info nature rather than being concept . Can't agree with this
 
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