Dark Souls Downgrade

[Konaguna]

Weekly is already kudos spamming, nice job mang

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I just feel that all this DS discussions are pointlesse,no matter what I say,even if it is staight from the lore,I'll be ignored because you are a staff that likes the verse and everyone agrees with staff.

You can always just go somewhere else. If you are going to result to arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Weekly is already kudos spamming, nice job mang

lol giving one kudos is kudos spamming

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Presentation doesn't really matter? Arguing how strong a Verse is based on looks and what you get the impression on a first glance look is terrible. Calculations and feats are much more valid. In-depth cosmology analysis just as much.

 

[Konaguna]

Calculating a feat > eyeballing a feat

And you just straight up stole a calculation from an unreliable source, yeah cool

anyone can tell you that feat isn't nowhere near MCB by looking at it

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Presentation doesn't really matter? Arguing how strong a Verse is based on looks and what you get the impression on a first glance look is terrible. Calculations and feats are much more valid. In-depth cosmology analysis just as much.

Based on look?I brought evidences from the lore,what look are you talking about?I repeated the same thing about Abyss Watchers a lot of times already,

 

[Konaguna]

Yes it does, the Asylum demon is only shown to be able to demolish large pillars and break the floor with it's weight, it shows no feats of MCB destruction, even though he is swinging his club around in a ruined building.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also Geocentric Armillary Spheres in the real world were based on astronomers thinking the universe was geocentric due to misinterpretation. Astronomers constructing Armillary Spheres in the Dark Souls world points to it having a similar structure to our own solar system.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Eyeballing and how strong something is is irrelevant. You cannot argue anyone's strength by saying "This doesn't look strong". Calculations often give surprising results. To dismiss them out of hand is simply argument from incredulity / belief.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Good lord everyone here as a damn attitude for no reason when solutions are quite simple.

>Issues with the Lore and the world?

Get scans explaining the cosmology, Lore and World.

>Issues with calcs?

Recalc them here. Those 14 Calc Group members aren't there for show.

>Issue with a person?

PM's and Message Wall exist for that.

>Wanna discuss another topic?

Make a separate CRT.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do these things. It's called normal human communication and common sense. Something people apparently lack in vs forums.

Rather than doing any of these more productive things, you'd all rather argue, insult and badmouth each other and get nowhere. Also known as doing all of jack and shit.

 

[Frantzy12]

Also Geocentric Armillary Spheres in the real world were based on astronomers thinking the universe was geocentric due to misinterpretation. Astronomers constructing Armillary Spheres in the Dark Souls world points to it having a similar structure to our own solar system.

This isn't our world though, it's a fantasy world where the planet literally existed before the sun existed,what proof do you have that geocentricism would be a misinterperation in-universe?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The fact that the way the planet rotates, combined with the spheres themselves point to a cosmology featuring a solar system, with rotating round planets.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Saying that people lack common sense is really not a good idea when trying to calm a situation.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There really isn't? Keeping the First Flame going for 1,000 years with your own power is an incredibly self-explanatory feat. The existence of embers / shards and the possibility of it reforming doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Konaguna]

Remove my arguments did you? That's really nice of you

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This has to do with the fact that the thread is being purposefully and suddenly derailed. Star level or MCB level or whatever was never the purpose of the thread.

 

[Frantzy12]

The fact that the way the planet rotates, combined with the spheres themselves point to a cosmology featuring a solar system, with rotating round planets.

Do you have proof this flat planet rotates?

And before you say "we assume things are like real life unless otherwise noted", remember that this is a flat planet that created its sun rather than vice versa"

 

[Konaguna]

Yeah the purpose was the storm feat which is an outlier anyway, so that's been solved tbh

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

1. The planet isn't flat.

2. In-universe astronomy models have planets rotating.

3. That really doesn't matter? The sun can be created later and not invalidate the planet being round. I know a universe where the planet is created before time and physics are and it's still round.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Getting back to the storm feat, if the feat is really done by the Stormdrake which seems likely the rating is remaining.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

If the calculation of the storm is the issue. Shouldn't we get a recalc?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not about the calculation. There's calculations both here and on NF with similar results. It's the means through which the feat is performed.

 

[Konaguna]

And even if it's legit, given that is the only feat that is way above others it's still an outlier, since no one else has done anything similar to it.

 

[Frantzy12]

outlier

 

[Overlord775]

If the calculation of the storm is the issue. Shouldn't we get a recalc?

the problem is deciding who did the feat, the dragon or the bell

the calc itself is fine

 

[Kepekley23]

To be honest, I'm still really iffy 'bout this being a cumulonimbus. I asked Chaos and he said it rained as evidence and that it was pretty dark inside, but a nimbostratus (2km THICCness) fits both of these characteristics, and there's this fact it wasn't thundering\no lightning bolts.

 

[Frantzy12]

1. The planet isn't flat.
2. In-universe astronomy models have planets rotating.

3. That really doesn't matter? The sun can be created later and not invalidate the planet being round. I know a universe where the planet is created before time and physics are and it's still round.

Nonsense the game diagrees with you via The Ringed City DLC.

"The Ringed City is said to be at world's end. Past this heap of rubbish, as far as one can go. But you'd better think twice."

Your pictures of random models prove nothing at all.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Do we really talk about real physics in the game where the Sun literally bleeds?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No it's not literally at the world's end. It is called the End of the World because that's what the DLC is about.

At the close of the Age of Fire, as the world ends and all lands converge upon themselves, a lone adventurer descends into the madness of the earth and uncovers the secrets of the past.

In the Ringed City DLC, the Age of Fire is ending and the world is literally collapsing as a result. This is why it's the End of the World. It's not literally in an edge.

This DLC only supports the fact that the First Flame sustains the whole of the Dark Souls "universe". and without it everything ends.

 

[Konaguna]

Dark souls has ****** up Physics TBH, Why are Lost Bastile and Belfry Luna constantly at Night time and so is Drangleic Castle yet every other place is at daytime? Why is Irithyl at night time when some other places are at daytime? Dark souls has no day and night cycle tbh

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Matthew Schroeder

Actually,there were dragons before the first flame.....

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also the First Flame is implied to sustain time itself if you want to get funky. The reason you can see other players in-game is because the fading of the First Flame is affecting time.

 

[Overlord775]

"The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out." -Solaire

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Solair?Really?Do you think the words of mere human that has seen almost nothing are really reliable?Omniscient Solaire when?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There's also the fact that the world collapsing on itself in the Ringed City DLC is making remnants from every civilization and eras merge. The ending of the Age of Fire affecting the cohesion of time is part of the basic premise there.

There's other sources other than Solaire.

It is also ironic to use the "He's not omniscient" argument when the only evidence that the Ringed City is at the world's end is this:

"The Ringed City is said to be at the world's end"

An ambiguous line relating to a legend.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Bring them all.

Also,there is no worlds collapsing in Ringed City,the flow of time in this city is stopped due to Filianore.We can see the real ringed city only once we wake her up.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, the world collapsing is literally the premise of the DLC and it is mentioned in trailers and the official summary of the DLC.

Also we can see a crescent moon in Dark Souls III. The phases of the moon only exist because it are lit by the sun as it orbits the Earth.

The amount of elements we take for grantes which would be impossible in a Flat World cosmology are astounding. It's why you gotta prove it is flat not the other way around.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

The ringed city isn't the worlds end,it is the end where you can reach,it only means that there is no more road.

 

[Konaguna]

Dark souls has no day and night cycle, that alone proves it's not rotating

 

[Overlord775]

" In Lordran, the flow of time is distorted " -Dark Souls 1 White Soapstone Description

"The flow of time is distorted in these lands " Dark Souls 2 White Soapstone Description